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[edit] Media
I think I brought this up last year, but we didn't get very far with it. There's no reason why we can't include a couple of music samples, and, since these are articles about musicals, we probably should. I think it would be necessary to set down some guidelines -- 30-second clips of the four or five main songs AT THE MOST. With inline sampling, we could add them at the appropriate points in the synopsis. — MusicMaker 21:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
- I think it would have to be an "optional" heading, but feel free to write one up. Sounds very useful! --omtay38 21:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I've added that Template:Listen or Template:Audio should be used for playing clips, but I wonder whether we should put together our own little player template - these are rather generic. I'll have a look at what I can do and put something together, see how well it works. - Dafyd 23:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I've put together Template:Musical clip - it's nothing spectacular at the moment, but I think it does exactly what we want it to, without the cruft of some of the other audio templates. I've added a clip to The Fix (nothing like a good article, but I had the soundtrack handy) just to see how it works. Thoughts? - Dafyd 23:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] My edits
I revised the page, removing anything that sounded slightly opinionated. The other major edits involved reorganizing the lead section -- it was a little garbled. I wouldn't be opposed to really setting in stone how the lead section should be -- I think they should all be exactly the same for every article. I also added something along the lines of "multiple song lists should be avoided" (in the case of a show having several different incarnations with different music. Jekyll and Hyde comes to mind....). I'm pretty sure that's something we can all get behind. — MusicMaker 22:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Archiving
I may have jumped the gun a little on archiving, but since we decided to remove the warning template, I figured we could get rid of the lengthy discussions. If there was anything that still needed to be covered, feel free to bring it up again, here. — MusicMaker 01:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History/Changes
I'm a little stumped by some of the content of Evita (musical). I know what I think should happen, but it doesn't quite fit with the model structure, and I think the same scenario may come up elsewhere, so I wanted to check...
Evita changed considerably between the original concept album, the 1978 West End/Broadway productions, the 1996 film, and the 2006 West End revival. The article currently has a fairly hefty, pretty well written section describing these changes, which I certainly don't want to lose. My instinct would be to put them in the "History" section, but that means referring in detail to songs and scenes that have not yet been introduced to the article (which is, in standard essay style, very bad). I think I'll leave them in an "Evolution of the musical" section, after the synopsis... but I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas...? - Dafyd 13:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- For musicals generally, this type of information should go in the History section if it happened before the original Broadway or West End production, and in a Versions section if it happened after the opening of the original B'way or WE production. There should not be any danger of losing information. -- Ssilvers 13:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I'd even say to remove the insecticide subplot from the synopsis. A mention in the history is fine, but, as far as I know, that was only included on the original concept album and not actually included in any production of the musical (though I don't have the London recording). It's not on the orig B'way recording, wasn't in the US tour production from about a decade or so ago, and wasn't in the movie. I think it's safe to say that, if it ever made it to the stage, it wasn't for very long.... — MusicMaker 17:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Adaptations or Version
Having just waded through the insane glurge-fests that are Avenue Q and Wicked (musical), I propose that this paragraph be added to the section on adaptations or versions:
"This section should highlight the major changes made to the musical in adapting it to a new production. The article should not include such logical changes as changes of euphemism, minor line changes, minor language usage changes, or any other feature that would necessarily be changed for intelligibility in a new venue, nor should this section include minor changes made mainly in the interest of time. The section should discuss significant plot changes, cuts of entire songs, the composition of new songs not previously included in the show (not reprises), change in lyrics of entire verses, or main character revisions (name, gender, cut from the show entirely, etc.). A blow-by-blow detail of the changes made from production to production should be avoided."
Thoughts? — MusicMaker 06:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- I basically agree, but I made suggested changes above and would also cut the words that I struck out above. -- Ssilvers 07:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Could you give me a reason for striking them out? Changes of euphemism are the most regularly changed items when bringing a show across the Atlantic, for instance, and are, therefore, the least encyclopedic. And the "in the interest of time" was meant to avoid the unnecessary blow-by-blow that was present in moving Avenue Q to Vegas. — MusicMaker 16:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I think that shorter is better. We will be most effective if we keep our instructions short and snappy, and above all, clear: What do you mean by a "change of euphemism?" I also think the above paragraph is repetitive. I support your idea, but I think we can write what you mean above in a shorter, clearer paragraph without repeating the same thing in several different ways. I suggest:
- This section should highlight only the major changes made from the original production to subsequent productions. The section should discuss significant plot changes, cuts of entire songs, additions of new songs (not reprises), changes in lyrics of entire verses, or main character revisions (name, gender, cut from the show entirely, etc.)."
-- Ssilvers 17:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Songlists; Character lists
There is a discussion on this topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Theatre. Opinions welcome. -- Ssilvers 02:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bulletting song lists
I added that to the article stucture. I think it's something that's generally agreed upon, but if I'm being obtuse, we can discuss it. — MusicMaker5376 15:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
