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[edit] Article structure

OK, I think I have listed most of the main U.K. related topics on the main project page. This is what I think is the basic structure of articles:

[edit] Pop, Folk and Jazz

[edit] Orchestral, Church, Opera/Light opera

Obviously there is more information in individual articles on people and venues etc. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English operas

Category:Comic operas is due to be renamed to Category:English comic operas per the discussion here. There is also a Category:English-language operettas. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 19:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Classical music of the United Kingdom

This article was neat in length but very thin indeed. I have been fattening it up in the 19th century but it is still hopelessly inadequate. If sufficiently fattened in all periods it could become a series of period articles (though I'm not sure that centuries is the most sensible way to subdivide as this cuts across significant phases) - such 'fattening' would also provide a more adequate basis on which to produce a lean but suitably detailed synoptic article under the original title. Hope this approach meets with gen approval, please post it or me if not, and please add/edit as seems best. Perhaps we could pack this with information and let it burst into a period series leaving an informative core. Dr Steven Plunkett 01:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Steven- that looks a really good job there! What you say about splitting the page is probably a good idea (although I have seen very long pages) - the Music of the United Kingdom page does a similiar thing linking to Early Popular Music, 50s-60s, 70s, 80s-90s etc. We need to decide about the Folk Music of England page also- I think it should be probably moved back to Music of England unless we change all the other UK subpages to specifically folk music. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 23:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category editing

This is a tedious process but there is a lot of clearing up to do before we get to work on articles in general. If the infrastructure is wrong, the route to articles will be misleading. One of our prime objectives I think should be to enable clear demarcation (except in the few examples of crossover) between folk music, pop music and composed/classical music in categorising articles. The present categories allocated to articles are often misleading, or insufficiently considered, and prevent this.


Take e.g. Category:English musicians. There are innumerable sub-categories to this, so no person should be listed in the head category, but everyone should be listed in the category/ies as far down the hierarchy as appropriate. Most of those listed there presently should go to some category of English pop music e.g. Category:English pop singers, Category:English pop guitarists, etc. That raises further problems down the line: e.g. Category:English guitarists lists 197 guitarists who need to be sorted according to the existing categories of. Similarly with singers, keyboard artists, etc.

I have just been looking at Category:English musicians and doing some weeding. Many of the entries are 'double-counted' - i.e. already listed under a sub-category (although not always the appropriate one) - so just need to have Category:English musicians deleted. Others are just worng - for example there were a number of English musicologists whose category Category:English musicologists is, correctly, a sub-cat of Category:English music - they are not, for the most part, musicans at all (Of course if they are they can be members of both categories).

Can I suggest a target to see Category:English musicians empty of all entries save for sub-categories. If a number of us do a few a day it won't take that long to clear up. Then we can start on English singers, etc. --Smerus 20:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to point people in the direction of the WikiProject Musicians WP:MUSCAT guidelines on how to categorize musicians, in case anyone's missed them. A couple of editors in this field, including myself, have started using edit summaries that specifically refer to this, e.g. "recategorization of article per WP:MUSCAT guidelines". It helps justify the change and publicise the guidelines at the same time. Just a thought. Good luck with the recat project. I tacked Category:Welsh musicians some time ago, and it can be done! Bencherlite 00:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
brilliant tip, many thanks--Smerus 07:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikimobileactunsigned.com

Hello guys,

Have just started a wiki-directory of local music info across the UK - does anyone fancy popping over to help start it up? I think it could be a very powerful resource, when filled up :)

More info on the site here: http://www.wikimobileactunsigned.com

Annihilatenow 16:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] timeline in trends in Music of the United Kingdom

I have just finished writing

  • "Timeline of trends in Music of Spain"
  • "Timeline of trends in German Music"
  • "Timeline of trends in Music of France"
  • "Timeline of trends in Russian Music"

I notice that the "Music of the United Kingdom" is structed very differently. It is done year-by-year, which makes it impossible for me to list the major UK composers in chronological order. It certainly looks to me as if people have completely given up contributing to this page, so I shall simply edit the "common template" to make it look like the rest of Europe, unless I hear commments from someone within the next few days. Ogg (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I have now created "Timeline of trends in British music" (if anyone is reading this). Ogg (talk) 17:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)