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[edit] Yamaha FZ 750 AfD

A new user has created Yamaha FZ 750, it has been nominated for AfD. The discussion is here: [1] It is poorly written but perhaps between us we can clean it up and keep it. Thanks. Nimbus227 (talk) 23:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually it is a copyright violation so must be deleated or completely rewritten. ww2censor (talk) 00:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Yep, I spotted that later and mentioned it on the AfD page. Think it will have to get deleted. Nimbus227 (talk) 12:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I have created a new article with the correct title of Yamaha FZ750 and suggested that the AfD is either deleted or redirected to this. Nimbus227 (talk) 13:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Result was redirect to Yamaha FZ750 Nimbus227 (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Super Single

LA Times writer Susan Carpenter challenged us to provide the missing article on the Super Single in her Throttle Jockey column (http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-throttle6feb06,0,1622727.story). I think we should take her up on it. Brianhe (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Motorcycling

Have any of you read Motorcycling? It is awful and does this project no favours. Anyone fancy a bit of collaborative improvement work? --TimTay (talk) 23:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Triumph Motorcycles

There is a comment on the Triumph Motorcycles article talk page that this article should be split into two articles to reflect the difference between them. Triumph Motorcycles could be left as the disambig page with Triumph Engineering Company Ltd and Triumph Motorcycles Ltd as the titles for the split articles. There is overlap in the Triumph Bonneville article as well with the Hinckley bike having a section. Any thoughts/objections/agreement? Nimbus227 (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if two articles are needed, in my opinion the existing article should be edited with the Triumph Motorcycles Ltd infobox moving to the top of the page and edited to say founded in 1885. I see Triumph Motorcycles Ltd and Triumph Engineering Company Ltd as the same manufacturer the first being a continuation of the second. In the same way that the current Ducati Motor Holding SpA is a continuation of the original Ducati Meccanica SpA and Ducati under the Cagiva group and motorcycles in the Superbike family like the Ducati 1098 made under Ducati Motor Holding SpA are considered successors of bikes like the Ducati 851 made by Cagiva. Chris Ssk talk 13:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BMW Motorcycles - model naming convention

There has long been debate in BMW Motorcycles and related articles such as BMW F650GS and BMW R1200RT, that the model names should include spaces e.g. R 1200 RT, which is how they are presented in BMW's brochures and on their website. One user is proposing that the F650GS and R1200RT articles should be renamed to include the spaces. Personally I oppose this, but I'm just one user and as a good wikipedian I'd really like others to contribute their opinion. Can I ask you all to take a look at Talk:BMW motorcycles#Spaces in model names, Talk:BMW F650GS and Talk:BMW R1200RT#Blanks?

I would suggest to pick a single location for the discussion. --87.189.62.202 (talk)

[edit] Motorcycle tire codes

The automotive category has a page on car and light truck tire codes. It would be handy to assemble the same information for motorcycle tires. Some years ago I found the following page [2] on tire designations and conversions. How can information like this be incorporated into a motorcycle page while respecting the license guidelines, etc.? N0NB (talk) 22:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I have completed a draft page at N0NB/Sandbox. Any comments, feedback, or critique would be appreciated before it is added to the Motorcycle category. N0NB (talk) 02:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It would benefit from some examples of how the tyre codes are used together on a tyre to indicate size/speed/load/construction etc. --TimTay (talk) 08:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I am thinking about snapping a couple of pics from my bikes. Others I've seen on the 'Net and those from the reference links probably would need permission. Maybe I can get a chance to do that in a few days. N0NB (talk) 01:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sound bites

I see that Wiki is now using sound bites in articles. I'm wondering if the Motorcycle project could do the same? Stock exhaust sounds of the bike to go along with specific stubs. I say stock because an after market exhaust would not represent the true sound. Thanks Ytak171 (talk) 18:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Interesting idea, but stock exhaust on what bike? V-twin, boxer, inline 4, 50cc single? All are bikes but all will have very different exhaust sounds. Of course, the best exhaust sound of all is a Remus Revolution fitted to a BMW R1150GS and with the baffle removed! --TimTay (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking of using sound bites with motorcycle stubs. Not only will viewers see a picture of the bike , and the bikes specifications , but also be able to hear what that bike sounded like. Just an Idea. I'll get one done and post the results here. Ytak171 (talk) 02:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Rocket III article upgrade

I am improving the Rocket III article so any thoughts on content are welcome Tony (talk) 17:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BMW Motorrad

A discussion has started whether or not to change the article name BMW (motorcycles) to the proper manufacturer's name BMW Motorrad. Please see the discussion and help us come to a conclusion. Thanks! Roguegeek (talk) 19:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted that this is merely the current name of the manufacturer and not any of the previous names.M-72 (talk) 03:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Engine power figures

I was reading the Ducati 1098 article when I noticed that the the kW figures converted from the hp figures using {{convert}} do not match Ducati's figures for the 1098R. Ducati gives 180hp - 132.4kw for the 1098R. {{convert}} gives 180 bhp (134.2 kW). The reason being that by hp Ducati means Metric horsepower (PS, CV, etc.) but with that little error the bike is listed as having 2.5bhp more than it does.

Moreover Ducati lists the 1098 and 1098S power as 160hp - 119.3kw same as the bhp to kW converter (160 bhp (119.3 kW)). So in this case by hp Ducati means brake horsepower.

This can create a great deal of inaccuracies in articles. I believe it would be a good thing if we had a policy for the way power figures are listed. I think listing them in kW and converting them to bhp is the best way to avoid confusion by what is meant by hp. Chris Ssk talk 00:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Category: British Motorcycles

I'm slowly working my way through the stubs for all British motorcycles and starting some of the important missing articles. To help organise things have created a category for British motorcycles. Please will you add to any British motorcycle pages you find or create. I've also linked it to the Commons British motorcycles so you could help with matching pics to articles or adding the missing images to the Commons - take your camera next time you go to a rally! Thanks Tony (talk) 07:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Similar" in Infobox Motorcycle

I'd like to suggest removing this field from the infobox. What are the criteria for similar bikes? same production years and same engine configuration and displacement? same class? There are so many similar motorcycles, especially for bikes that keep the same name for a series of bikes. For example the Yamaha YZF-R1 when it came into production in 1998, the similar bikes one could list were the Ducati 916, Aprilia RSV Mille, Suzuki TL1000R, Honda CBR929RR, Triumph Daytona 955i and Kawasaki Ninja ZX-9R, in 1999 the Ducati 996 can be added, in 2000 the Honda RC51, in 2001 the Suzuki GSX-R1000, in 2002 the Ducati 998, in 2003 the Ducati 999, in 2004 the Aprilia RSV1000R, Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R, Honda CBR1000RR in 2005 the MV Agusta F4 1000, in 2007 the Ducati 1098 and in 2008 the KTM 1190 RC8, BMW S1000RR, Aprilia RSV 4 and maybe the Buell 1125R

I think in the end the field provides more misinformation than it provides information. Chris Ssk talk 03:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

A general simplification talk is taking place here. Chris Ssk talk 14:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree and have never used the 'similar' field - but I am a supporter of the infobox and am adding it to British Bike stubs Tony (talk) 18:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)