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[edit] A new convention
The new convention will explain how to define a self-proclaimed nation, as well as how to edit articles in on Wikipedia to avoid disputes. There have been many disputes in the past where Wikipedia users have argued that a self-proclaimed nation is a sovereign state or a self-proclaimed nation is a micronation. There have also been disputes about laws, whether the currency of a self-proclaimed nation is a currency, etc. The problem is that these dispute repeat themselves every few months, so a convention would stop the wasting of time and it would provide a guide to editing articles in the micronation category. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 16:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- I do not know if a micronation is sovereign or not. Perhaps it would be best to describe all such things as micronations, and then the question of sovreignty (in general) can be debated at the micronation article. Disputes can often be resolved with more accurate sourcing. Vague or overly general statements should be replace with more specific statements that accurately reflect reliable sources. Jehochman Talk 18:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- There is a question as Microstate refers to both entities that claim sovreignty and those that are recognized to have it in the lead as "microstates". Personally, I tend to lean toward using "microstate" only to describe those entities which have been formally recognized in some meaningful way by at least one independent entity, like the observer status or higher at the UN, for instance. Beyond that, it would certainly be reasonable to say that a micronation claims to be a microstate in the article, but it's not particularly justified to say that they are simply based on their own say-so. John Carter (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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- So with the convention all of these self-proclaimed states would be called micronations but the article can say that these micronation consider themselves to be microstates. I will start writing this convention, which can be edited if you think more information needs to be added. The convention can be found here. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 19:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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- The "convention" is merely a proposal at this stage. Don't go getting too excited about it until others have had a chance to respond. There's no compelling need to finalise anything. --Gene_poole (talk) 18:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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- As we say, there is no deadline. Jehochman Talk 19:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Is Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads?
I'm surprised by a lack of reliable sources for Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads. Is it real? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- I have major doubts about the veracity of the information in WP about that entity. I believe that it may be completely fictional, but I'm not certain. The paucity of sources would seem to support that view. I have a vague recollection that it might be a creation of Bruce Henderson, the prolific artistamp creator - in which case it's a fictional creation, and not a micronation. --Gene_poole (talk) 01:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, we need to verify it. If we cannot tell if it is real in some way it will have to be deleted. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:39, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- This FOTW page cites a paper published in 1978 which discusses both Morac Songhrati Meads and the Kingdom of Humanity as private claims over the Spratly Islands, so it would appear that there is some historical basis to these entities. Further research is probably a good idea. Anyone? --Gene_poole (talk) 09:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- [1] ----- This website is for a Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads, with Google calling it a simulation if you search the micronation's name. It has also got a different flag and I read on the internet that this Republic has a government in exile. --- Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 11:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- This FOTW page cites a paper published in 1978 which discusses both Morac Songhrati Meads and the Kingdom of Humanity as private claims over the Spratly Islands, so it would appear that there is some historical basis to these entities. Further research is probably a good idea. Anyone? --Gene_poole (talk) 09:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, we need to verify it. If we cannot tell if it is real in some way it will have to be deleted. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:39, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Micronations portal
I have created a portal for micronations, which willl organise all the micronation articles and provide a main page for micronations. I have named the WikiProject and all its members as its maintainers. I only created it in the past hour, so there is still plenty of editing to do. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 16:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
