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New expansion of the pipe trick

As one of the two states to continue using parenthetical disambiguation, you may be interested to know about an expansion of the pipe trick. An example is probably best: go to M-15 (Michigan highway) and preview an addition of the text [[|M-20]]. The pipe trick now expands this to M-20. --NE2 21:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing new about this at all. This was one of the primary reasons for using parenthetical disambiguation. The new feature in the pipe trick is that it will now work with titles that use comma disambiguation. older ≠ wiser 00:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Nope, this is brand new. Formerly you had to type [[M-20 (Michigan highway)|]]; now, on a page with (Michigan highway) in the title, you can type [[|M-20]] to get the same link. You may also be interested in the "debate" (more like clusterfuck) at WT:USSH. --NE2 00:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I missed your reply. OK, I think I see now what is different, but you have to be on a state page for that to work -- that's pretty confusing for the same piped link to produces one result on some pages and a different result on other pages. I don't think that is such a good thing. older ≠ wiser 16:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Concurrencies Redux

After looking at a few articles where the infobox has had concurrency information in it (ala M-69) I think that info should be laid out in the route description rather than the infobox since it tends to make a mess of things. Also, we might consider developing a new section for major concurrencies to be listed in the articles route description. I'd appreciate others input on this matter. Cheers. Stratosphere (U T) 22:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Tips and Tricks

I'm not sure if everyone is aware, but I'll throw this out there since it'll save a lot of typing for those who don't. Recently the pipe trick has been modified to handle comma separated pages like those of cities. Typing [[Detroit, Michigan|]] will now produce: Detroit. Also, I don't know how long this has been around, but if a page has a parenthetical disambiguation within the title you can utilize the pipe trick to insert that same dab into a link. I used to type [[M-50 (Michigan Highway)|]] to link to M-50, but if you're on a M-XX (Michigan highway) page you can use the pipe trick on the left and type [[|M-50]] and it'll create a link to M-50 (Michigan highway) like so: M-50.

Anyway, if everyone knew all this already, then good. If not, hopefully this will help some people's hairs from staying not grey for a while longer. Cheers. Stratosphere (U T) 22:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

No, that is a new feature that I understand came in with the comma expansion. I'm not all that crazy about it from a usability perspective, since it means that typing the same link in different contexts will produce different results. But it seems obscure enough that only power-users will come across it. older ≠ wiser 22:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I meant for it to be useful to those of us editing Michigan highway articles wrt linking to other Michigan highway articles. Anyway, I see this was posted a few days ago two sections above, silly me ;) Stratosphere (U T) 23:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

M-87

Whilst sifting through the completion list, M-87 tripped me up and I was unable to find any decent information on it. The Michigan highway system page says M-87 was a link between US 10 and US 23 through Holly and Fenton. Holly and Fenton are both very close in proximity to US 23, while US 10 lies a good 60 miles northwest. $gajillion to whoever can dig up some information on this route and write an article. Stratosphere (U T) 09:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Eh, it finally dawned on me that US 10 extended down that direction many moons ago. Problem solved. Stratosphere (U T) 21:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Decommissioned trunklines & categories

Should we place them in both Category:Michigan state highways and Category:Decommissioned Michigan state highways or just the latter? Imzadi1979 08:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Another related question. The infobox template allows for listing a decommissioning date in addition to a commissioning date. For the highway designations that have only been used once, say M-554, would it be appropriate to infobox them, but include both dates. We could even use the altname= attribute to name them "Decommissioned State Highway". Do we dare set up a different route attribute instead of "M" for former highways that instead of just listing "M-554" in the top of the infobox would say "FORMER M-554", etc? Imzadi1979 22:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm in favor of using the alternate name to indicate it's decom. I don't think we want decom to be in the actual name since the article title doesn't have it, it might be confusing. If the highway is currently decom I think it should be in the Decom MSH category only, but that category should be within MSH category. Yes, I think it's also approriate to list the decom date as well. Stratosphere (U T) 23:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I've gone and done a few... M-98, M-205, M-209 and M-554 are infoboxed. Any comments/suggestions/ideas? Imzadi1979 05:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

County-Designated Highways

Is there anyone interested in forming a subproject on the County-Designated Highways? I know I'm interested in working to create some articles, but I don't have a full and complete knowledge to set up the parameters with an infobox, etc. I know the shields are already all uploaded, waiting to be used. Do I hear any volunteers for maps? Imzadi1979 03:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

16 to go!

As I count it, we have 16 M-nn routes to write articles about. That just leaves the various business routes (Interstate/US) left to go. Imzadi1979 03:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, make that 15. I couldn't resist one last one for the night... Imzadi1979 03:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
All of the decommmissed routings are done! just 7 more current routings to write! Imzadi1979 00:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Done! Happy Thanksgiving! Imzadi1979 03:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow, fantastic! Great job to everyone who worked on getting that list completed! Cheers! Stratosphere (U T) 06:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

US 12 and US 112

While creating the US 12 (WI) page, I went through the parent article (US 12) and found quite a bit of detail pertaining to Michigan's section which IMHO could be best served being transferred into its own article U.S. Route 12 in Michigan. But I probed further to find that essentially you have one already in US 112. Perhaps there could be some options to place to move any US 12 specific detail into a subarticle for Michigan to alleviate a bit of space for the main US 12 article? I know that the amount of detail might be borderline, but instead of diving in and creating it with these circumstances, I felt I should ask the members of your project for opinions first. So... What's your opinions? 8) • master_sonLets talk 20:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Intersection and Exit List Layouts

I'm looking to start a discussion on the intersection and exit lists layouts for Michigan highways. To see an example of the exit list in action, see the M-14 article. It follows the current conventions established by WP:USRD and I think we should stick with it. As far as the lists for non limited access highways and non mile-post based freeways I setup a template to use at Template:MIint. It's based on Template:PAint and has been modified slightly for use with MSHP.

I've setup a sandbox at User:Stratosphere/Sandbox to look at a few layouts I've created. I'd like to start discussion on which one is preferred among the community. Of course, as always, you're welcome to suggest a new layout. The basic idea here is to use the intersection template that is being adopted across the U.S. Roads project, but add control city designators for Interstate and U.S. Route junctions. These already exist in the exit template, and I'd like to bring them to the intersection list, at least for this project.

So, let the discussion begin. Just hit up the Sandbox and let us know which one strikes your fancy and why, and perhaps provide some pros/cons on the one you picked, or the one's you specifically didn't pick. Stratosphere (U T) 23:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

  • My current selection is Style 2 on the Sandbox page. For several reasons, it's pretty close to the standard used for the exit lists. Instead of relying on the east/west/north/south auxiliary plates (which at 20px can be difficult to read) it uses the {{scaps}}> template to achieve the basic idea using simple text. It also looks very clean and compact preventing the cluttered appearance that can occur with tables like these. Stratosphere (U T) 23:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I added style 6 which I also approve of since it has the text and the auxiliary plates that some of us are attached to ;) Stratosphere (U T) 00:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
      • So, unless there's dissent, I think we should use style 6 since that's what most other projects use for both intersection and exit lists. Stratosphere (U T) 00:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes

I believe I have every Interstate checked for the Infobox. If anybody would like to double check me and make sure every Michigan Interstate page has one feel free to do so. I believe my next task will be to start working on the Exit Lists for each Highway wiki page. Once that is completed I will agian look at what needs to be done. If somebody wants to double check my work when I complete a page feel free to do so. Half the time when I do this I am one blink from crashing and sleeping.--Mihsfbstadium 14:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Clean up tag

I was being good and decided to get michigan a clean up tag. I dont know why we good road people in michigan would need one but I just copied the California one and subed out the images and words of cal for Michigan. --Mihsfbstadium 11:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

M-35

I nominated M-35 today for Good Article status. Imzadi1979 20:09, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Where is an example of a Communities list in place on a Michigan page? I cannot find one, and the example article given, M-26, doesn't have one at all. Imzadi1979 02:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it's used at some of the other projects like WP:IH. Interstate 95 might have one... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Michigan I-94 business connection template

I created a template (basically lifted from the List of bannered highways in Michigan table) which could be used as a basis for templates for the other routes. (I have one for I-69 in my userspace, which could easily be placed into the template space.) I figure its best use is within individual business route articles to provide a quick link to the others. Any improvements to the design would be welcome. Spicy 15:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates

All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. master sonT - C 16:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)