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[edit] new article on 260-day Mesoamerican calendar?

There are already articles on Mesoamerican calendars, Tonalpohualli (the 260-day calendar of the Aztec}, and Tzolkin (the 260-day calendar of the Maya)). What information would this proposed article have that would set it apart from these already-existing articles? Madman 15:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose I was thinking that we need an 'umbrella' article, or some other way, to emphasise the universality of the 260-day calendar across Mesoamerica, and highlight that the individual examples (Maya, Aztec, Mixtec, etc) are related and informed by this tradition. Such an article might also give the corresponding associations between the individual versions, eg Tzolk'in day-name Kimi corresponds with tonalpohualli day-name Miquiztli, etc. However, perhaps this could be done first in an expanded Mesoamerican calendars article, and an article on the generic 260-day Mesoamerican calendar could be created at some later point if it should prove necessary to break it out.--cjllw | TALK 03:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, sounds good to me. I myself would like to add further information to the Tonalpohualli, perhaps even a chart/table/graphic showing how the numbers and the day names fit together. Carry on! Madman 04:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New article for Matthew Stirling !

I notice that Sylvanus Morley is rated a High. I believe we need at least an article on Matthew Stirling, an archaeologist from the early half of the 20th century, one of the first to investigate the Olmec culture. My 2 pence, Madman 02:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Totally agree, Madman, Stirling's one of the most pre-eminent names in Gulf Coast archaeology. Even though his "Stirling Hypothesis" about Olmec creation accounts signifying their mythical origins from the union of a were-jaguar and an ancestral woman is now dated, his work has endured, and we're a bit light on the coverage of non-Maya and non-Aztec research topics/scholars.--cjllw | TALK 04:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, looks like Sdsouza has made a very fine start indeed to this request - nicely done!--cjllw | TALK 23:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Mesoamerica vs Mesoamerican chronology

IMO I think we could do with both of these, and there's a difference to note. I would say that the latter can or should be used for a sequential presentation of dates/archaeological cultures by the chronological subdivisions (either graphically and/or abbreviated text), while the former would be more for explaining the hows, whys and wherefores. Actually we could probably do with a series of History articles for overall Mesoamerica by period.--cjllw | TALK 23:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addendum to "The Malinche" or "La Malinche" article

 I apologize if I am utilizing inappropriate structure/design or etiquette in my contributions to the talks page, but I
 was unable to find relevant easily-accessible material to guide me.  My specific request/request-for-contribution is some of
 the modern day usage of the name "Malinche."  It is true that she has been referred to as "La Chingada" or the damned or 
 the one that has been violated (in essence, a victem).  But it is also true within many off-shoots of the Mexican population 
 as well as its culture, that there is multiple different meaning.

 IMHO, I believe that a 1 or 2 lines on Malinche's role (or usage of her name) in todays Mexican or Mexican-American society 
 or culture, is insufficient given that an entire population of a continent has been affected by her interactions with
 history, and certainly as it continues today.  I have no literary reference to provide, no research to validate my 
 assertions, and certainly am no Mesoamerican scholar.  I however am a Mexican-American born in southern Texas where the
 population there is pre-dominantly hispanic, much as southern Los Angeles is.  While this contribution or assertion may be
 nothing more than folk-lore, it none-the-less can be traced through multiple communities throughout Texas, California, New-
 York, Chicago-Illinois or any other place that Mexicans/Mexican-Americans have chosen to plant themselves.  Among many of
 these communities and people that I have lived with, including aunts, uncles, friends, acquaintances and contacts, the
 name "Malinche" is used as a term in a very colloquial sense.  It's used commonly in North America by many
 Mexican-Americans as a state of being.  Specifically, referencing that a person can be "malinche" if they are
 unusually cruel, mean or sinister.  It has also been used in many occassion to reference a person as a traitor much in
 the same way that Americans and the English use the term "Benedict Arnold" to describe a person as being
 traitorous or treacherous.  I realize that the term "malinchismo" is cited in the "Malinche" section, 
 but its use as an adverb isn't really the only grammatical usage of the name, from my personal experiences.  And yes 
 I have heard and used the term Malinchismo.  This having been said, I conclude with my original disclaimer, that I have 
 no project research, no statistical nor analytic nor descriptive data to reference. I simply have first hand experience
 through interaction with multiple generational usage of the term in various communities throughout the North American
 continent north of the Mexican border.  My hope is that this request for contribution will be reviewed, some portion 
 atleast, be included with the original Malinche" Project Page, and/or that those actively engaged in the project will
 contact me and give me feed-back, disclaim my assertions, educate me in appropriate submissions for request on a talk page
 and just a general "Hello we got your information."

• Jerry Zambrano

Jerry.zambrano 13:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies Jerry, since this particular talk page is not closely monitored, your post here has gone undetected for some time. On the off chance that you are still monitoring this page, it would probably be best to raise this at talk:La Malinche. You are welcome of course to expand any material in the article that you think is lacking; but do also please note wikipedia's policies of Verifiability and No Original Research.--cjllw ʘ TALK 08:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ruler template

Regarding the {{Mesoamerica ruler infobox}} request, I've just created Template:Infobox Nahua officeholder based on Template:Infobox Officeholder, which can be used not just for rulers but also military commanders etc (see an example here). Similar things could be created for the Maya and whatever else is needed. --Ptcamn 09:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ptcamn, I noticed this trialled at cuitlahuac, and it looks to be a nifty and useful addition. It may be possible with some further thought to devise a generic one suitable for all likely mesoamerican circumstances; but if not we could as you say just have some customised variants of this. When I get a chance I will start to document the data elements that have occurred to me over time, which could be integrated into just such an infobox. Cheers,--cjllw ʘ TALK 08:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)