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Reappraise Project progress Start organizing the areas not yet begun, i.e. landmarks, buildings, etc. Get this project re-activated again, and get the conversation happening on this talkpage Bring Public Transport articles up to scratch

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[edit] Melbourne train system

I notice Railways in Melbourne has been moved to Metlink Melbourne with the editor citing that this is the "correct name". I'm inclined to strongly disagree... Metlink is the umbrella term for the entire metropolitan Melbourne public transport system and includes trams and buses. It might as well have been moved to Connex Melbourne! The article includes a great deal of history which predates Metlink (and Connex) and I recommend it be moved back (and Metlink Melbourne redirected to Metlink). What d'ya reckon? --Canley 14:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I've moved it straight back. The name change makes no sense, as Metlink is rather new, there were railways in Melbourne before there was any unified system, and as you said, because Metlink is the whole public transport system, not the train system. Ambi 23:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ambi. I've also redirected Metlink Melbourne to Metlink. --Canley 03:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adoptions

Is there any procedure in place to adding adoptions to the adoptions list? Shoule the lost be in alphabetical order, or order or date of adoption? Should the adoptions be signed with four tidles (which would also add the date of the adoption) or should they be signed with a simple link (as they are at the moment)? And what happened to some of the old adoptions? Interesting to see evetyone's thoughts. -- Glenn 08:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swan Island

I have just created the article for Swan Island, which is off Queenscliff. OK, so it's not exactly Melbourne, but the rule seems a little blurred, when places like Portsea are included also? (What is the definition BTW?). It was part of the defensive fortifications of Melbourne, is that enough to qualify? I'm no JK Rowling when it comes to writing articles, so if anyone can help Wikify or improve my article that would be appreciated. --Commking 23:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that we have a precise definition for Melbourne, but you can read previous discussions at What is a Melbourne suburb and What is and what isn't a Suburb.

I have put Swan Island in the Category:Islands of Australia.

To ask for assistance you can add your article to Wikipedia:Requests for expansion. - Cuddy Wifter 07:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Apologies if this is not the correct way to suggest a change but the current Melbourne entry includes: Melbourne-born satirist Barry Humphries created his main character Dame Edna Everage as a comedic version of a suburban homemaker. Through her he has performed cutting odes to Melbourne mores and the middle class suburbs of Moonee Ponds and Highett, among others. My understanding was that Highett was a housing commission area or at least partly and the whole Dame Edna joke was about her moving up in the world from Highett to Moonee Ponds. I'm not sure if the description of Highett as middle class is accurate in the context.

I have copied the previous comment to Talk:Melbourne which is the more appropriate discussion page. - Cuddy Wifter 02:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image requests

I'm keen to help out by taking photos of places in and around Melbourne. Does anyone maintain a list of pages that need pictures? Matnkat 01:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Mat, Take a look at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Melbourne. - Cuddy Wifter 03:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I knew there would be one somewhere, Wikipedians are so organised ;) Matnkat 05:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relevance of articles

Hi, I'm unsure about how far a Wikipedia WikiProject with go without adding content that some people might consider irrelevant to Wikipedia. However, I've recently started a city wiki about Melbourne and there any info is welcome as long as it is Melbourne related. Check it out at melwiki.com --Jsfan 05:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

That's cool, although it would be cooler if you dual-licensed the CC-BY-SA with GFDL, so we can reuse each other's stuff. (Or at least we can reuse yours, not the other way around.) :P pfctdayelise (translate?) 07:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, the only reason why it is only CC-BY-SA is that I have no idea how to configure Mediawiki to be dual-licensed. ;-P --Jsfan 13:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I just realised that it is not true that Melbourne Wiki is not under the GFDL. Check "Applicable Licences for Melbourne Wiki" at the Copyright page. This page always stated that you can use all contents under the GFDL if not a page states that the contents are exclusively available under the CC-BY-SA. So far there are no such pages... --Jsfan 09:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] La Mama Theatre

While responding to a picture request, I discovered that there are two articles about La Mama Theatre in Carlton: La Mama Theatre (Melbourne) and La Mama Theatre. If no-one minds I'll merge them into one article. Matnkat 06:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Matt Tilley article

There has been some disputes with the Matt Tilley article over the fact he shouldn't be on Wikipedia when he clearly deserves his own article because he is a radio show host and well know comedian especially in Melbourne but over Australia. I don't see what their problem is. I would like some opinions on this or if that doesn't help, how can I take action. (I've posted the same comment on WikiProject Biographies as well to get a wider audience) Lakeyboy 06:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Building infoboxes

I'll try to do some cleaning up of articles about Melbourne's skyscrapers and adding/replacing infoboxes (there'a a few hardcoded ones) to use Template:Infobox Skyscraper. Works in progress and a to-do list are at User:Invincible/Skyscraper infoboxes. invincible 08:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stephen Street, Melbourne

I created an article on Stephen Street (now Exhibition Street) on the 5th of November [article 16[1]]as a new user of Wikipedia on the undestanding that somebody would review it an add it to the Widipedia.

Nobody has reviewed it, and I have no idea of how to get somebody to do it.

Can anybody help me

--JBurney 00:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Having started on Wikipedia a couple of years ago and then not edited for a while before returning, I didn't even realise that new editors could not start new articles!

However, I don't agree that there should be an article on Stephen Street. There is already an article on Exhibition Street, which, incidentally, mentions that it used to be called Stephen Street. I suggest that you edit that article to include some of the extra information from your Stephen Street article.

Your Stephen Street article is well-written; the only suggestion that I would make is to think carefully how much information is useful and relevant. On the other hand, if you include too much information, others can always trim it down.

Philip J. Rayment 02:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the strange world of Wikipedia. I see that you are now a registered user so in a few days you will be able to create new pages. However, regarding Stephen Street, would it not be appropriate to include the information you have written into the Exhibition Street article. You can do this without being registered. The chances are that, if you create a separate article, it will eventually be suggested that it be merged. Many of Melbournes streets have undergone name changes during the course of history but I am unaware of any articles based on their old name. If you want to learn how Wikipedia works take a look at Help. You may also like to take a look at WikiProject Melbourne and add your name to the participants list. Best wishes. - Cuddy Wifter 04:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

Just to note that every Melbourne suburb and quite a few nearby localities and towns were upgraded to the WP:IAP standard last week and over the weekend, and I filled out some stubs along the way, and created any uncreated articles (there was about 40 from memory). There doesn't seem to have been any hiccups or issues but if you have any questions about any changes I've made in the last week, feel free to dump a note on my talk page. Also, if anyone wants a copy of the database I used to generate the infoboxes, complete with data, send me an email and I can attach it by return (it's not big - it's in Access). Best of luck with the Melbourne project!

I may come back and fill out some more stubs in the outer suburbs and out Mornington way when I have more time / am more bored. If anyone else is, there's a reference in the Balnarring article which may be very useful for upgrading Hastings-region Mornington articles, nearly all of which are stubs. Orderinchaos 05:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Streets In Melbourne

Hi, is it possible to create an infobox for melbourne streets, with a street name, number of houses, number of shops, estimated population, estimated cars/per minute, number of traffic lights, distence, divided road, etc. as well as a photo of the street. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adammw (talk • contribs) 23:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Melbourne Water

Hi, Since Water is such a hot topic in Melbourne at the moment (and many other places), I thought I'd start updating the Melbourne Water page. This was until I realised the enormity of the task. ie there are very many aspects that need to be included to complete it properley. Is this page the correct forum to request assistance? Pleas advise on the correct procedure I should follow. E! 2:09 AM, Friday, 5 January 2007 UTC

[edit] Pictures of Melbourne Street Art

Hello, I'm Dfrg.msc and I've been doing a lot of work on theses Melbourne Street Artists:

However, I only have two pictures, found on the internet. If you have the means, I would highly appreciate your help in getting images to better illustrate the articles. If you have a digital camera and you can upload an image(s) of street art/stencil art/graffiti by any of these people (or if you don't know who it's by, upload it anyway and I can tell you), it would help me and the article it effects. Regards, Dfrg.msc 23:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Melbourne suburbs

(Posted at AWNB and here) On Talk:List of Melbourne suburbs someone has correctly observed that a bunch of orphaned lists of Melbourne suburbs have been sitting around for a while. I did some work on them to clean them up and get the size/load down. What's the consensus regarding these? Other such lists appear to exist in userspace. Also note the category they're in has been marked for speedy renaming since 3 April. Orderinchaos 06:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old maps

The Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works produced some incredibly detailed maps of Melbourne from the 1890s through to the 1960s. The State Library has made all of these maps available online, and they have the potential to be a great addition to our suburb and locality articles. The maps don't cover the whole city (the really old ones are particularly confined to the CBD and inner suburbs), and the newer ones would not be available for copyright reasons, but there are certainly some good opportunities for some of them to be used for illustrating articles. --bainer (talk) 11:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Melbourne Cycle Paths

I've been looking at the cycle path pages for Melbourne, and a lot of them read like travel directories and cycling guides that belong more on something like Wikitravel than on Wikipedia. I'm not the sort of person that would delete them on sight, but most of them do need a complete rewrite if they're going to stay on Wikipedia. JRG 00:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In the process of cleaning Category:Companies of Australia, I stumbled into your back yard...

Greetings people of Melbourne, I am Thewinchester from WP:WA and I stumbled into your backyard as part of my recent cleaning of Category:Companies of Australia. A number of articles for the various bus companies from your part of the world had been stubbed and not categorised, so were being checked out one by one. All of these were missing the most obvious companies box, and the infobox which had been placed in there for the bus companies had been quite poorly implemented. As a consequence, a revised Template:MelbournePublicTransport has been implemented and placed across all relevant articles along with appropriate clean-ups along the way. If there's any questions or grumbles, grab me via my talk page -- Thewinchester ^(talk) 18:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Categories?

Hello I'm new to this one - but, unless I've been so blind as to not so far have seen it, there is in my view a gap in the overall category set. Melbourne architecture and design (or some other suitable title) is an important topic in its own right, which could have sub-categories for buildings, urban design projects, landscape projects, heritage precincts, etc and significant contributors to this realm, as in notable melbourne architects, landscape architects, urban designers, planners and other movers and shakers. The same might be said of other aspects of Melbourne Culture (with a big C) - literature, film, fashion, art, politics, debate, - where does this go in the existing categorisation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eyedubya (talk • contribs) 02:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

I don't believe that this project was ever meant to cover every category related to Melbourne. As you will see on the project page it has been broken up into broad topical areas. I think you will find that some of the areas you have mentioned are included on the sub pages of the project at WikiProject Melbourne/Buildings and WikiProject Melbourne/Institutions. If you believe there is an area that is not covered then, as it states in the "Scope" feel free to create it and propose how that part of the Project might be organised. By the way, congratulations on your recent contributions to Wikipedia, it's made interesting reading. - Cuddy Wifter 05:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge tram vehicle articles

There are currently separate articles for variants of Melbourne tram classes - I think that this causes too much overlap and it would be much more optimal to just have a single article on the tram class and sections to describe the variants. At the moment, there are just way too many red links. Besides, the average Melburnian would most likely not be able to tell a difference between an Z1, Z2 and Z3 tram. I don't think I can, at least not without looking up the tram number on VicSig.

D1 class Melbourne tram, D2 class Melbourne_tram → D class Melbourne tram
B1 class Melbourne tram, B2 class Melbourne_tram → B class Melbourne tram
A1 class Melbourne tram, A2 class Melbourne_tram → A class Melbourne tram
Z1 class Melbourne tram, Z2 class Melbourne_tram, Z3 class Melbourne tram → Z class Melbourne tram
SW5 class Melbourne tram, SW6 class Melbourne_tram, W6 class Melbourne tram, W7 class Melbourne tram → W class Melbourne tram

Affected templates (that I can find):

Trams in Melbourne has some info on the various tram types that could be used to flesh out the articles. I also have a bunch of tram photos on commons which might come in handy. Don't think the actual merge will be that hard, there's not exactly much content in them.

invincible 13:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, this is a bit of mess actually. From above, you can see that there is already an article for B class Melbourne tram, but Z1 class Melbourne tram simply redirects to Trams in Melbourne, but Z3 class Melbourne tram doesn't. invincible 13:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to merge them. The only problem is having a million info boxes down the side of each page. Wongm 02:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Merges done. D1 / D2 kept separate though. Wongm 14:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I think D1 and D2 should be merged also. Yellow Thirteen (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project Userboxes?

Does this project have a userbox like others? - Mike Beckham 08:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes

This user is a member of WikiProject Melbourne.

Cuddy Wifter 20:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Railway lines, stations, and stubs

I have the opinion that in some instances it is better for stations and the lines to be in one article - for example the Spring Vale Cemetery which has only one station, and the Flemington Racecourse line which only has two stations.

I felt it was pretty useless have a stub on the station, when the information is duplicated in the railway line article, so I merged the stations into their relevant lines, but they got reverted. I have linked to my reverted edits - what do other people think about it? Wongm 09:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Digging around, I have found some more merger candidates. First cab off the rank, the Red Hill line and the three stations, now piles of dirt, Balnarring, Merricks, Red Hill. The only reason the piles of dirt are notable is because they were part of the railway line, and the only unique content in each station article is a mention of what the pile of dirt is now. Another is the Kew line and its two stations: Barker and Kew. Neither of the two station articles contain any unique information that the line article hasn't already. Wongm 10:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

As a general rule, Wikipedia has articles on all railway stations and all railway lines, and I see no reason to alter that here. We don't get rid of perfectly notable topics because the articles are currently stubs: there's plenty of room for expansion, and there's tons of sources about the railway history of Victoria, including the Red Hill and Kew lines. Why stifle the potential for several perfectly good articles because someone has a merging fetish? Rebecca (talk) 03:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the point on having articles on stations that really don't stand as notable in their own right. It really does seem pointless to have large lists of stubs. It's quite common to have information contained within sections of an article, and then have those sections split out when the content becomes significant. I doubt that rationalising articles wouldn stifle potential for growth - not when all the significantly written stations have "Main article" links! --Evan C (Talk) 10:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

You mightn't, but there has been a long-standing precedent that all railway stations are deserving of their own articles. This has consistently stood up since at least 2003, with no article taken to AfD being deleted. This is for good reason - all of these articles are easily expandable, with sources being pretty abundant. We don't merge articles with a good chance of being expanded, precisely because this tends to really curb the likelihood of it ever being expanded to the point of being broken out again. Rebecca (talk) 00:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability_(Railway_lines_and_stations)#Stations suggestion talks about whether railway stations should have their own articles. I am unsure of what proportion of people are in support of it. I have a book on my desk about the Ballarat - Skipton - Newtown - Cressy - Colac railway, authored by Norman Houghton. 62 pages in length, approximately 10 pages of text is on individual stations (and divided up by stations) - the rest of the book is divided up thematically - why it was built, construction, traffic development, services, appendixes. 'Major' stations (eg: junctions) have a page on them, while smaller lineside stations only have a single paragraph. Even if our Wikipedia articles grow to the level of content as a researched book (that took years to produce), we will still have tiny stubs on stations. The only reasons I see for having stubs for stations are: (A) using succession boxes (whoop do doo) (B) enable categorising such as 'Closed stations in Melbourne (can you can categorise redirects?). For existing operational stations, I guess we could just keep them there, but for closed stations treating them as an entire article on the line would be better. My main point is that having information scattered over many small pages is useless to the reader, having it written cohesively into one article works much better. Wongm (talk) 07:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

You're presenting it as if it were an either/or. We can have a perfectly good, detailed article on the line for those who are interested in the line. We can have a perfectly good, detailed article on the station, for those who are interested in the station. There is no reason to merge the two. Rebecca (talk) 05:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I see your point, but then you end up having to maintain two separate articles. With currently open railway stations and lines I guess we can leave things as is, but with the short (eg: 3 or 4 stations only) closed lines I still think a merger would be better. Wongm (talk) 05:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

Does anyone want to flesh out? I've got several thousand photos sitting on my computer which might be useful and I'm quite willing to go out and take more photos in and around the Melbourne CBD area (and maybe the SE suburbs/bayside if I can really be bothered). If anyone wants to help tag articles with {{reqphoto|in=Melbourne}}, could I also request that maybe a little description of something more specific to take a photo of be added to the talk page as well. I might start going through some articles on Melbourne buildings and add some tags as well. I'll be out of town for the next two weeks or so, but after that, I'll have plenty of free time. invincible (talk) 13:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for jogging my memory on this subject. I have now started to tag Melbourne suburbs which require photos - see Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Melbourne. As to the subjects of the photos, take a look at the galleries created by User:Biatch for the suburbs of Prahran, St Kilda and Carlton to get some ideas. I am sure that there are many Wikipedians in Melbourne, with a camera, who could help to populate the outer suburb articles with photographs. Thanks Invincible for your interest. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 22:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Planned Melbourne meetup 7-10th Feb

Hi folks, please check out Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 9 if you would like to attend a meetup during this period. thanks, pfctdayelise (talk) 13:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia Foundation table at LCA (2nd Feb)

Hi folks,

I signed us up for a table at the linux.conf.au Open Day. This is a free event at the end of LCA that the general public is invited to attend.

Where: Union House, Melbourne University
When: 12pm - 4:30pm, 2nd February 2008 (setup starts at 8am)

Tables, chairs, floor space, power and wireless networking are provided (although we need to say how many we want). I am chasing up a small amount of funding from WMF for fliers and the like. I might get some stickers or badges (or CDs!) done up too (from my own pocket) and charge like $1 to cover costs or whatever.

So what I need is

volunteers to help staff the table
volunteer use of laptops for the day
suggestions of existing promo material suitable for use
potentially production of new promo material suitable for use :)
suggestions of places to get stickers printed ;)

I need to know how many people might help me out so I know how many chairs and how much table space to request for us. Please email me if you are interested. thanks, pfctdayelise (talk) 03:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dredging of Port Phillip

This is a major current issue and needs to be expanded alot. I was wondering if anybody would like to help me with this as there are many details which are lacking a thorough explanation or an explanation at all. This could be a real showpiece for Wikiproject Melbourne if it is gone about the right way. 124.180.232.115 (talk) 07:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi there

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Food_and_Wine_Festival - a blatant add for a local melbournite to wikify? Satu Suro 04:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Melbourne Sun-Aria

Hello. Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles needs your help. Melbourne Sun-Aria has been without any references since June, 2006. Could you please take a minute out of your busy day to help add sources? Thanks for your time. Viriditas (talk) 12:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Future Melbourne

This may be of interest to editors here: Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Melbourne#Invitation_to_edit_the_Future_Melbourne_wiki_.26_possible_meetup_opportunity. --bainer (talk) 10:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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