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[edit] templates

hi, I just want to let you know that I created

This user practices karate.




and

This user practices taekwondo.




Karate was needed, as there was only one userbox for Shotokan, and one this user is a karateka, which was a non-standard size, though. Taekwondo was non-present (apart from WTF membership declaration). Some other martial arts are missing... Also, we could discuss a possibility of introducing a one standardized form of userbox to display rank/belt, similar to the one used in BJJ already. cheers Pundit|utter 00:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd recommend renaming these to "Template:User Karate" and "Template:User Taekwondo" to distinguish them from templates used in the main namespace. Also, if you want to standardize the use of ranks in these infoboxes, why not add a parameter that can add optional text indicating the specified rank? --Scott Alter 02:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Moved & tweaked, these might want categories integrating --Nate1481( t/c) 15:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I haven't thought about that. Adding a rank is a good idea - I'll think about adding it in some non invasive way. Pundit|utter 19:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I just created this specifically for the template. It's large enough to manipulate if you want to pull it off and re-edit it.
Karateka.
Karateka.

Hopefully it will work for you! Mekugi (talk) 08:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Problems at Wing Chun and Wing Tsun

I'm having problems with a disruptive editor over at Wing Chun and Wing Tsun. Koonleg50 (talk · contribs) has been engaging in disruptive editing practices for the past week on wing chun and WingTsun. This includes consistently adding WP:OR, and altering references and referenced sections. I have tried to help and compromise by working in some of the material in to a non WP:OR and a WP:NPOV format, yet he continues to revert and push more WP:OR. He also keeps insisting on wikifying a group of words on the WingTsun page, even though he's been told by other editors and my self that no such page exists, please stop per the established guidelines. He has been engaged via the talk pages for those entries as well and has had it explained how he needs verifiable references. He responded with more WP:OR, followed by more reverts on the main pages along with an addition of a link to his personal blog for a reference. The user has also used multiple anonymous IP's. I'm requesting administrator intervention at the administrators notice boards, but could use some additional input from this group on the talk pages for those sites. Maybe someone else could get through to him. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion has stopped and become an edit war (one user trying to satisfy a fact tag using a wikipedia link, and re-editting the chinese characters over and over) - someone with experience of dealing with edit wars want to step in? -- Medains (talk) 13:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] human weapon and Fight_Quest

can wpma help beef up these articles as well as the biographies of the hosts. thanks. Tkjazzer (talk) 20:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barokai

This article on a Dutch MMA has just been created - really needs some work. Anyone who can expand or source please consider doing so. Exxolon (talk) 23:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable sources?

Are books which are self serving to the author and make claims about other people and do not appear to have gone through an editorial review reliable sources? I'm looking for input regarding the article Kiyojute Ryu Kempo. Specifically, the creator of the system wrote a couple of books in which he claims that several notable people in the martial arts community have endorsed him. I can find no independent source to support these claims, but the article is written as if these claims are factual. This problem was identified by another user here This problem was identified in the article's discussion page (see hereand there was no response. Later, the article was edited to be in line with the comments in the discussion page. Then the article was reverted and Javascript was inserted to lock the article down in its earlier versionhere. Personally, I consider this to be an abuse of editing rights by a specific editor, but I'm looking for comments from more editors - particularly those familiar with the martial arts. I'd prefer to resolve this through discussion, but I need people to participate who are going to engage in discussion.-198.97.67.58 (talk) 18:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

From what you've said sounds like a Primary source (founder writing about his art) so cannot be used to support contentious claims, I'll have a look. --Nate1481( t/c) 09:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Had a look needs a clean up as it's either way there are big chunks which read like an advert --Nate1481( t/c) 09:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template: Karate Styles

I ask for your help in going through this list, and AfDing and removing the non-notable styles that are currently included. RogueNinjatalk 02:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Where is this list? Could you add a link? Thanks! jmcw (talk) 08:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Its right here:
v • d • e
Karate
Origin
Styles
Techniques
Blocks · Bunkai · Kata · Kicks · Kumite · Punches · Stances · Strikes
Comparison of styles
- RogueNinjatalk 09:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks! It seems that there has been a proliferation of AfD lists - I was worried I had missed one<g>. jmcw (talk) 09:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I have been nominating lots of styles. There has been lots of growth of non notable karate styles. I just nominated two more. See the list here RogueNinjatalk 10:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


I have a problem with "nominating lots of styles". It takes a few minutes to nominate something for deletion but it takes hours to do research. One deletionist needs dozens of researchers for balance. Could you prioritize your nominations to get the best use of the researchers time? To expedite the process, could you propose here the less cited or less notable articles? I think cleanup is important but let us start with the dirt. jmcw (talk) 10:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Ive just been jumping through the template list. Keep in mind, that because it is alot of work (and btw, I do research the articles before I afd them), that AfDs can go on for a while. As a favor to you and anyone else who feels the same way, I will begin asking admins to leave the Afds open for a bit longer than usual. RogueNinjatalk 10:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Why the rush to AfD? We have this project page, we can mark articles as needing citations, we can choose articles for research here. The AfD process is sensitive to google hits: we need people who have history books. jmcw (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Shotokan has been marked as needing citations for over 6 months now. Shotokan, not one of the tiny unknown styles, but one of the largest and best known ones, still lacks citations. Tagging things for citations gets nothing done, certainly not on the tiny, less notable styles. At least with AfD, articles get a discussion. RogueNinjatalk 11:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

This would be a better use of this page: ask for Shotokan citations. AfD does not get things done: it take researchers time, it gets things purged or it asks for changes. Better to first ask for changes here. What would happen if you proposed all the karate styles at the same time? Who would have enough time to participate properly in the AfD processes? jmcw (talk) 11:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess both of us show how little we know about wiki culture<g>.

These issues have been considered before us: "The threshold is verifiability, not truth." jmcw (talk) 14:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Those pages are essays, not guidelines or policies. They dont represent all wikipedians, nor is anyone obliged to obey them. RogueNinjatalk 01:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question about reliability

I was working on citing some facts that required citations on Mac Danzigs page. One of the citations needed is that he is a member (and also an instructor) at Legends Gym. While looking for sources, I found a youtube video of him actually teaching a class there. Would this be deemed as a reliable source to cite as evidence for him being a part of this gym? --Xander756 (talk) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] AFD List of judoka

The article List of judoka ( created by PRehse ) is marked AFD. Given that Peter is traveling and out of contact with wiki, could any other judoka helpout? Odd that it did not appear in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Martial_arts. jmcw (talk) 22:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC):

Sure it was on AfD last month too... har hum. --Nate1481(t/c) 09:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] request Geoff Thompson article improvement

I just came across this guy via youtube while looking at all videos posted by someone with a lot of systema videos. Anyway, he's got a ton of books on MA and dvds. Would anyone be willing to improve this? http://www.geoffthompson.com/listAllDvd.asp I don't want to make the article in to an advertisement, but after seeing how much work he has put in to the martial arts self defense community during his life, maybe we should boost his bio a bit. Thoughts? 19:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

also, how do you tag it with the wp:wpma project template? Tkjazzer (talk) 19:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chan Tai San

Should have put this up here earlier. Could you look a the surroundings discussions here and here --Nate1481(t/c) 18:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kenpō

There seems to be some debate (see Talk:Kenpō) over the scope of the article and the level of inclusion for specific styles and their founders, any input would be helpful. Thanks!--Nate1481(t/c) 12:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I propose to remove the list of schools and just mark each article with the category Kenpo.Talk:Kenpō#Proposal_to_Remove_the_List_of_Schools jmcw (talk) 15:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ryūei-ryū edit war

There's an obvious edit war going on over at Ryūei-ryū, which had overwise been a quiet near-stub about a non-mainstream okinawan karate style. Both people involved have never edited another article. What is supposed to be done in such cases? --Cubbi (talk) 23:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I've told all involved about the three revert rule so if they keep at it the may get blocked. As to actually solving it oen posted on my talk page & I suggested that they agree to dissagree. Oh the joy of linage wars, one has sited a sokeship council (how may of those things are there i've come accross at least 5 now) which is a source if a potentially contentious one. --Nate1481(t/c) 13:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Judo technique names

Currently the article titles seem abnormal. Please provide feedback at Talk:Judo#capitalization_of_technique_names. Shawnc (talk) 00:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Technique names for all martial arts related articles

It's been suggested in the discussion of judo technique names that the following should be the approach for all technique names: "technique names should be un-capitalised, un-hypehenated, and italicised. e.g. kami shiho gatame. Only the foreign words like "judo" and "aikido" that have entered the English language should not be italicised." Shawnc (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Video links for Judokas

Hi, I would like to add a link to video clips of Judoka's on Wikipedia. Next to the info on Wikipedia itself, people can see moving images of the Judoka too.

Ie. http://www.judovision.org/index.php?mode=search&keyword=Ryoko

Now I am the owner of the site Judovision, and Yes ofcourse it will bring traffic to the site. But this is not the reason I wish to add the links. The reason is the same as why I set up the site, it is to share Judo videos and information with all those who are interested.

Next to that, Judovision is well known in the Judo world, and does not 'need' traffic.

Could anyone let me know how to get permission to add these links to Judoka profiles on Wiki?

Thank you for your time.

(Evdz (talk) 10:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC))

[edit] New category, need articls

I have created a subcategory for Category:Stock characters by characteristics called Category:Fictional elderly martial arts masters. I'm sure there are some people on here that know of some articles that can fit into this category. Thanks. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Martialartsproject: Articles of unclear notability

Hello,

there are currently 40 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] AFD of Yuan Kay-shan

Could use other project member's input (more specifically those familiar with Chinese martial arts, history, tradition, etc.) at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yuan_Kay-shan. RogueNinja, who does not appear familiar with the subject matter, is insisting on getting the Yuen Kay San article deleted. Likewise, he appears to now be leaning towards calling for other historical figures to have their articles deleted as well. The article is in stub format, and certainly needs expansion. But I feel that warrants a tag on that rather than a call on notability and AFD. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 18:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate technique articles

Some Judo techniques such as Ude garami already exists in non-Judo articles such as Armlock: Ude garami. Other techniques such as juji-gatame have long been merged already. Having a separate article creates redundancy, albeit allowing for art-specific focus. Should such articles be merged, kept separate, or merged until the art-specific subsection becomes too large? Shawnc (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I think, in a perfect world, we'd have one article for each mechanically possible technique, describing its names and minor variations across all martial arts that implement it. But it's just my wishful thinking. This one article, I think, could be merged, it's not that large by itself. --Cubbi (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 10k Edits for Nate1481

May I suggest a warm round of applause for Nate who has passed 10,000 edits: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Nate1481&site=en.wikipedia.org jmcw (talk) 12:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


WikiProject MA applauding
WikiProject MA applauding
center|thumb|320px|Nate grappling


--David from Downunder (talk) 15:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks any way ;D It has to be said that only 6k are main space & 1-2k of those are AWB or fixing my own mistakes... but I really do spend too much time on here.
Dave: Not quite, but I was thinking of learning to ride this summer... --Nate1481(t/c) 16:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Definitely, thanks for all this work! JJL (talk) 16:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations Nate1481, and keep up the good work! - Nmnogueira (talk) 09:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ashida Kim

There is a huge POV problem on the Ashida Kim article. It reads like it was written by a guy that was stabbed in the back by Kim. In fact, I don't think it meets the criteria for notability. His claim to fame only comes from his secretive nature, the fact that martial arts sites like bullshido.net make fun of him, and that Kim openly criticizes wikipedia on his site. Yes, he has written several books, but being an author does not automatically make someone notable. Since no one seems to know who he really is, it would be impossible to balance the article out with material describing his early life, training, and actual accomplishments. Whether good or bad, reviews of his books could be included. What do you guys think? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The level of controversy is notable! --David from Downunder (talk) 02:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grappling template

Created this a while back and forgot about it, would it be worth moving to the main space and starting to use? Equivalents for the other main areas could also provide some more continuity --Nate1481(t/c) 16:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

v • d • e
Grappling
Grappling Based Martial Arts
General Techniques
Grappling positions
Submissions
Bear hug · Chokehold · Compression lock · Achilles lock · Americana · Anaconda choke · Ankle lock · Armbar ·

Armlock · Arm triangle choke · Bear hug · Biceps slicer · Can opener · Chicken wing · Collar tie · Crosschoke · Crucifix · Figure four · Flying armbar · Gearlock · Gogo-plata · Grapevine · Guillotine choke · Hammerlock · Headlock · Heel hook · Juji-Gatame · Keylock · Kimura · Kneebar · Leglock · Leg scissors · Leg slicer · Locoplata · Neck crank · Nelson · Omoplata · Overhook · Pinch grip tie ·

Rear naked choke · Scissorhold · Spine crank · Toe hold · Triangle choke · Twister · Underhook · Wristlock ·
Organisations
Come on, what do you think... Nate1481(t/c) 10:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Looks nice and useful, I think it should be moved to main space and used. Good work Nate1481 - Nmnogueira (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kenshiro Abbe

Hi all, I've been working on an article about Kenshiro Abbe I'd appreciate some comments if you have a sec... Corky1979 (talk) 09:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Had a look through and adjusted & tidied some stuff, still needs a few more references, I'd suggest leaving a message for Peter Rehse as I know he has a big interest in aikido and helped get the article to Featured status, but I'm not sure if he's been on for a while. --Nate1481(t/c) 12:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Foot Fist Way

I just learned about this comedy that will be released soon. Check out the trailer: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b0e6763dc3 . I haven't checked yet, but it needs to be noted on the Taekwondo page. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

However, on closer inspection, the page has no section for mentions of the style in various forms of media. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 20:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ku Yu Cheung/Gu Ruzhang

I think it's a good idea to start an article on the founder of the Bak Sil Lum (northern shaolin) system: Ku Yu Cheung. Any help in setting this up would be appreciated. NJMauthor (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wǔxiá to Wuxia

Requested rename on the article for the martial arts fiction genre from Wǔxiá to Wuxia - see Talk:Wǔxiá 70.55.85.177 (talk) 06:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration Request

With the Medicine Workgroup and make an article about possible injuries from martial arts and how training can prevent specific injuries I propose that WP:WPMA collaborates with wikipedia project medicine (wp:med) and creates an article that talks about the injuries possible in martial arts and how specific training techniques and guidelines have been proven to prevent those injuries. Thoughts? Tkjazzer (talk) 16:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I have made a similar post here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Request:_Collaborate_with_the_Martial_Arts_Workgroup_and_make_an_article_about_possible_injuries_from_martial_arts_and_how_training_can_prevent_specific_injuries —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkjazzer (talk • contribs) 17:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Project Logo

The Foundation is asking that user projects (and user pages, etc.) avoid decorative and unofficial uses of WMF logos and trademarks. As a trademark issue, they want to avoid the confusion that projects, like this one, have some official relationship with the Foundation. With that in mind, could you remove the Wiki globe from your project logo. Thanks. Dragons flight (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you point me at the exact discussion that mandates this, as I couldn't find it on his or your talk page and the tag on the image states
"Permission is not required for use on any part of a Wikimedia Foundation project."
Thanks --Nate1481(t/c) 09:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Roman gladiators in Okinawa 1000 years ago

Shall we not start a user page sandbox to collect the most fanciful edits that we come across in our martial arts editing? jmcw (talk) 12:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Might be a good sub page for venting frustrations on, but we need to keep it on the extreme end, i.e. not common errors; China vs Japan origins of karate et al. --Nate1481(t/c) 12:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Please tell me what article the romans in Okinawa material was found on. That is priceless! I have heard the theory before that some people in southern China (if I remember correctly) were descended from these soldiers because of their fair skin and green and blue eyes. However, most scholars believe these traits derive from middle eastern ancestors. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that was one of the recent edits for the lead of Karate, such as this one --Cubbi (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I have left a comment in the current discussion of this matter on the Karate talk page. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
And don't forget the recent one about Helio Gracie inventing jujutsu about the same time that the Romans were in Japan. I wonder if Helio fought the Romans? Maybe that was why the Roman Empire foundered. --David from Downunder (talk) 05:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The funny bit was that was 500+ years after Roman gladiators were non-existent... --Nate1481(t/c) 08:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
He had a source form the history channel! Who wrote the stuff on there site half of it is complete nonsense! --Nate1481(t/c) 08:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Human weapon indeed is full of bullshido, but I don't think even would go so far - I think it must be a simple misunderstanding, e.g. mishearing/writing an original phrase on death matches fought like gladiators in Rome, or such. Pundit|utter 16:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oom Yung Doe

Greetings. I just wished to call attention to this new martial arts article, which has nothing linking to it except a few redirects. It appears to be in need of some serious work, but I figured that this was best left to those with more expertise in the field. Thank you for your time. --Finngall talk 15:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've wikified it, but more work is needed. David from Downunder (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The Oom Yung Doe page has recently suffered from some very serious changes that includes the deletion of all previous writing and sources. It has gone from defining Oom Yung Doe as a Martial Arts cult with several leaders that have served time in federal prison, to a style with a 1500 year history and no federal prison record. I have made a small effort at merging the two vastly different articles, but expect that a lot of help/mediation will be needed pretty soon. Cjim63 (talk) 06:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I've had a hack but left it tagged as it needs more work. --Nate1481(t/c) 09:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I wonder how much of the article would remain if the material from the site www.oomyungdoeschool.com was not accepted as a valid reference? jmcw (talk) 16:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

A single sentence! That is one horrible article. I just went through and did some revisions myself. There was an entire paragraph discussing the origins of "bagwa chung," which is, of course, Baguazhang. The editor discussed if it was actually someone's name. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
The article has been heavily edited by what appear to be instructors in this line of martial arts. Thus the inclusion of many items that can only be found on www.oomyungdoe.com and the discussions on the origin of "bagwa chung." Note that if you compare "Bawga chung" (check youtube) with Baguazhang, that they are not similar at all. The same goes for all of the different styles taught by Oom Yung Doe; OYD Kung Fu, Jiu Jitsu, Kom Doe, etc. are only superficially similar to the martial arts that bear the same names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjim63 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template: Karate Schools

While its good to add more styles, its really starting to become unwieldly. What should we do about it? RogueNinjatalk 19:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

v • d • e
Karate
Origin
Styles
Techniques
Blocks · Bunkai · Kata · Kicks · Kumite · Punches · Stances · Strikes
Comparison of styles
It would have been great to limit them all to above start-class, except it would eliminate everything. I think at some point this template was structured with "japanese styles" and "okinawan styles" separate, but it didn't work out well. How about age differentiation? Break them up by styles founded in 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries? --Cubbi (talk) 21:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Splitting into Koryū and gendai budō would be a good start logical. --Nate1481(t/c) 08:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think we ever tried to split it by origin (Okinawan and Japanese). I suggested it a few months ago, but it was never acted on. I think this would be better than koryū and gendai budō, since all karate would be considered gendai budō. Additionally, I think most kenpo schools could be removed - at least the ones with no lineage to karate. And there were some recent additions of Shorin-ryu branches - which should be solely in {{Shōrin-ryū styles}} and not here. --Scott Alter 16:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone oppose to renaming this to Template:Karate (after fixing redirects to the current userbox)? This template is now more than just karate schools. Also, wouldn't styles better describe the list than schools, per our definitions? --Scott Alter 17:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Categorization hierarchy

Category:Dō is a relatively new category that contains many martial arts. Category:Gendai budo is also within Category:Dō and Category:Japanese martial arts. Currently, these categories are not well integrated into the rest of the martial arts categorization hierarchy. Can anyone come up with a good way to categorize these categories? Should this schema be separate from the rest of the martial arts categorization? I think this should be supplementary to the existing categorization. The appropriate articles should be added to these categories, without removing them from existing categories. For example, Category:Kendo would be in Category:Martial arts by type (type of art), Category:Japanese martial arts (place of origin), and Category:Gendai budo (date of origin). --Scott Alter 17:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Commando Krav Maga

There is a slow edit war going on here. User with no other contributions keeps adding unsourced weasily comments on how CKM is the most powerful martial art in the world etc. I remove. He tried reporting me to AIV, but it was declined. Can I get some help on this article? RogueNinjatalk 00:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted by AfD, (if the link above goes blue it may want a check) --Nate1481(t/c) 09:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Broken links at BJJ.ORG

A number of Wikipedia martial arts articles cite pages at bjj.org as a source. The links are broken because bjj.org has been decommissioned and content moved to onthemat.com. Please search onthemat.com to look for replacement pages. Unfortunately, most of the articles have become wiki articles at onthemat.com so they are no longer suitable to cite as reliable sources. Further information about content transfer is outlined here. --David from Downunder (talk) 15:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)