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Contents 1 To-do template 2 Problems with a copyeditor 3 Requests backlog stats 4 Talk page clutter 5 Effort 6 Good article icon 7 Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up 8 New Member 9 Inactive? 10 Proofreading

[edit] To-do template

Is it possible for someone to make a "to-do" template of a small box with a un-copyedited article that is different from user to user, so that we have a list on our userpages of what to do next?

[edit] Problems with a copyeditor

User Drphilharmonic does a lot of text editing on Wikipedia for "logic, grammar, syntax". This editor recently edited some articles which are on my regular watchlist. In my opinion, his (or her?) work can be divided between four kinds of changes:

• useful improvements (e.g., removing informal contractions),
• unnecessary imposition of his personal preferences (e.g., substituting "in general" for "generally" or "as a consequence" for "consequently"),
• introduction of new punctuation errors into the text (e.g., hyphenating "relatively-few patients"), and
• inappropriate changes to the meaning (e.g., changing "treatments are medically necessary" to "medical treatments are necessary").

I tried to engage him in a conversation about my concerns on his talk page, but his responses have been both insulting and irrelevant. I have asked him to rephrase his rude remarks to address my specific concerns, but I don't really expect to make much progress.

I can certainly fix the couple of articles on my list, but copyediting seems to be his primary activity on Wikipedia. Consequently, errors of both form and content are being introduced into dozens, or perhaps hundreds, of articles. I'm sure that he fully intends to improve every article he touches, but he doesn't seem to understand that his personal views on punctuation are not exactly the standard views. Wikipedia needs good copyeditors. Does anyone here have any suggestions for me? I'm just not sure what to do next. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia doesn't really have any processes I'm aware of for dealing with editors who are acting in good faith and yet still causing net damage to the encyclopedia. Kudos to you for your coolheadedness - there's little you can do but keep trying! If you still can't get any constructive response out of him, post back here and maybe a couple of League members can have a chat. Happy‑melon 13:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

If appeals to reason don't work, can't he just be blocked from editing? The interests of the encyclopedia outweigh those of any one misguided editor. Nihil novi (talk) 03:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requests backlog stats

This graph might be of interest - I wrote a short script to parse the history of WP:LOCE/B to track the increase in requests of each type. Does anyone have any bright ideas as to where the massive drop in mid-December came from? A massive clearing drive? Happy‑melon 13:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page clutter

Please put a small=yes option on Template:LOCErequest. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. Happy‑melon 17:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Effort

I'm sure you've all noticed the ridiculios amount of copy-editing needed. I say we organise a really huge effort to get it to respecable amounts. Come discuss on my talk page. Mm40 (talk) 00:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC) Thanks.

[edit] Good article icon

A proposal to add a symbol identifying Good Articles in a similar manner to Featured ones is being discussed: see Wikipedia talk:Good articles#Proposal. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up

Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 15:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Member

Hello all! My name is Razorflame and I love copyediting. In fact, that is one of the things that I am best at. I hope that I can help you out with the copyediting that you are requiring so if you need a copyedit, please let me know on my talk page. Cheers, Razorflame 19:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome! We hope you can always help out here, especially with our massive backlog. --RyRy5 (talk ♠ copy-edit) 04:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive?

Are there any members of this project actually willing to do some copyediting, on request? If so, please let me know on my talk page. - auburnpilot talk 15:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm always willing to help with the copyediting, but am seriously hitting the Wikiwall this month and am not copyediting the way I used to, so I'm a bit inactive right now. Where is everyone? --Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 07:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I generally take on copyedits by personal request, although with other commitments (WP and RL) one a week is about as much as I can manage. Mizu, if you need to borrow a crash-helmet, I've got a spare ;) EyeSerene^talk 14:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I will take on any copyedit request on-demand, all you need to do is let me know on my talk page, and I will copyedit it as soon as I possibly can. Cheers, Razorflame 15:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It too late to borrow that crash-helmet, Serene? ;) I sure could use it. Also, no one's getting to my (self-posted) request for Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007 film) because there's a huge backlog here, and I can't find anyone who's available at the time to do it. I posted the request despite being a member of the league because my fellow editors needed it copyedited, and I'm so bonked I don't really have the energy to do it myself. D; Razorflame, are you available for a good copyedit? Anyone? --Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 18:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proofreading

I was wondering about doing some proof reading (I notice that some of the proofreading requests date back over 6 months). Should proofreaders be on the members list the same as copyeditors? I'll probably do some copyediting too, if/when I clear the proofreading backlog, so I guess I can just put my name on the list whatever. Also, with the significant proofreading backlog, I'm guessing there will likely be a lot of changes since the copyedit was performed, so proofreading those articles could entail a partial copyedit too. Ah well, best get started... Adacore (talk) 14:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Welcome, come in, do sign on the dotted line: we're glad to see you! Don't worry about the administration, just get stuck in! You're quite right, the backlog is terrifying, which means there is a fair amount of copyediting as well as proofreading to be done. Proofreading is just the same as copyediting anyway, except with the expectation of not finding as many things wrong. If you've got any questions or need a hand, just drop a line here or on an active member's talkpage: we're all happy to help. Have fun! Happy‑melon 15:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Who closes a request, by the way, after it is proofread? Normally I'd say that we should leave them for further proofreading, but given the size of the backlog I think we may have to resort to slightly less rigorous methodology and just close as soon as proofreading is completed. Adacore (talk) 08:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

We generally work on the basis of two people seeing the article in total: the copyeditor and the proofreader. So once the proofreading is done, go ahead and archive. Happy‑melon 16:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)