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[edit] Participants

Please indicate if you are a resident of the Greater Las Vegas valley, on the Project page, next to you name. Maybe, we can have a wp:wp Las Vegas get-to-gether sometime. …Guy M… (soapbox) 08:07, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Area covered

Anyone what to try and define the geographic area that we will cover in this project? Vegaswikian 17:58, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

The article titled Las Vegas, Nevada, should include only items within Las Vegas Proper, as Las Vegas, Nevada is a man-made geographical boundary. And I would hate someone to say WP is a bad source of information if it was to say "The Las Vegas Strip and Lake Mead are located in Las Vegas, Nevada". Las Vegas can refer to the entire valley (Greater Las Vegas). Although I would exclude Boulder City, Nevada (as beautiful of a place it is) it is not in LV Valley; just like Jean, Nevada.
I think a good set of boundaries would include anything south of the Mount Charleston turn off (I consider Mount Charleston part of Greater Las Vegas). Anything north of the southern tip of Henderson. East to Lake Mead & Lake Las Vegas (Ok, I'm EXTENDING GLV a bit here, but it's notable and popular with tourists). West to Red Rock/Blue Diamond.
…Guy M… (soapbox) 11:33, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
That would exclude the city of Boulder City and Hoover Dam, which I think should be included as well - most B.C. residents consider themselves part of the greater Las Vegas area, and the building of the dam certainly impacted the economy and growth of Las Vegas. -Satori 17:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
I Wonder if the area that the LVCVA is responsible for is the best government guide. While there is some bickering about who gets what share of the pie, this one group sells LV to the world. Their site says they cover Las Vegas and southern Nevada. Here is a quote from the LVCVA site: The LVCVA provides a vital service for the public by contributing to the growth of the economy in all of Southern Nevada. The LVCVA's marketing efforts cover all of the more than 130,000 hotel and motel rooms in Southern Nevada. The room inventory includes Las Vegas and the surrounding territories: Laughlin, Boulder City, Jean, Primm, Henderson, North Las Vegas and Mesquite. First clear definition of the Las Vegas area I have ever seen in print, basically Clark County! Vegaswikian 18:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
The entire Clark County area really is the area of interest for Las Vegas. If it's good enough for the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, it's good enough for me. (Says the guy who lives three blocks outside the city limits.) Heck, the Valley of Fire counts too. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Boulder City is not a part of the metropolitan area of Las Vegas. It is an independent city not linked to Las Vegas and gambling but rather the Dam. Most people from Boulder City don't consider themselves a part of Las Vegas. I am editing that part and will continue to do so because Boulder City is not a part of Las Vegas. Boulder City does not rely on the culturual or economic interests of the valley but its own.

[edit] Category names and what is included

Would it make sense to label all categories of things that would include Las Vegas with Las Vegas in the title and then allow other communities to be listed as a a sub category? Another option would be to list everything under Clark County, but I think that would be more confusing. We could add a comment to all of these categories along the line of:

This category covers all of Clark County, Nevada. Please discuss any new subcategories at Wikiproject Las Vegas before you create one. Vegaswikian 20:33, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Yikes. Any chance of minimizing the number of categories?

  • I do think township categories is overkill. Again, most items fit well into Category:Las Vegas, Nevada, yet will still maintain geographic accuracy in the article for Las Vegas, Nevada. My main issue is very specific to the article Las Vegas, Nevada. Opposed to Las Vegas as a term Representative of Greater Las Vegas.
  • Category:Las Vegas attractions, if it is to be used, should include items of interest to main-stream site-seers. Not including shows. Examples:
In: Fremont Street Experience, Forum Shops at Caesars, Fountains at Bellagio, Lake Mead, Mount Charleston
Out: Legends in Concert, Mormon Temple, Sunset Park, Mike Tyson's (former) home
  • How many botanical gardens does Las Vegas have? Does it warrant a category to maintain such a large(?) list?
  • (I'm not part of WikiProject:Schools so) is it common for Schools to be categorized by district?
  • I like Category:Las Vegas Landmarks
  • Libraries (See comment on schools and botanical gardens)
  • Conventions? Does WP have articles on conventions?
  • I think Las Vegas monorail stations would be better placed in a nav (infostyle) box, there isn't that many stations [PoV warning] (now or futuristically [unless they tax us residents *AGAIN*]). [/Pov warning]

Local companies and companies headquartered in LV should be ok.

…Guy M… (soapbox) 11:33, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Ah many questions.

  • Township categories. Well, things are really located there. The Census Bureau says they exist. So...
    • it's funny, I live in Spring Valley, and I'm not quite convinced it actually exists. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
      • You even have a few signs at the borders and a post office! :-) Vegaswikian 19:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Botanical Gardens. Well, of the 7 in the Nevada Category, 5 are in the valley. That's more then in several states.
  • School District. It is only common for the largest school districts to have a Category. The one that comes to mind is Los Angeles Unified School District or Category:Los Angeles Unified School District.
  • Conventions. Not only are there articles, there is a subcategory for Category:Erotic conventions and Category:Hacker conventions among others.
  • Monorail. Adding a nav template should not be a problem. There is no longer a list of the stations, the Category is being used instead so keeping this is pobably required since you should have a cat or list. However, we will need to consider how to list the properities that have a stop. Wynn Las Vegas has a stop now. They run a shuttle bus, actually 4 buses, to the corner of DI and Paradise to move people from their hotel to the monorail/ convention center station.
  • Local companies. Of the 24 on the Nevada category, 22 are Vegas based and two from Reno. So one for Las Vagas does make sense.

Vegaswikian 17:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Las Vegas casinos

Those interested in this project may want to vist this page and vote for keeping or deleting this template. Vegaswikian 07:17, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] http://www.destination360.com/

Does anyone see a reason for links to this site? I think that it is basically advertising and therefor should be deleted. I don't see any of the reasons for including a site like that covering this one covered at WP:EL. Vegaswikian 23:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The Las Vegas-area articles seem to get more than their share of spam and low-quality external links. It is probably a very good idea to go through all the external links and retain only the ones that high-quality, or "official" links like for the Chamber of Commerce. BlankVerse ∅ 08:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
I have also noticed that one editor has been adding references to Gross, Daniel (Nov. 7, 2005). "Avoiding Las Vegas". Slate. in many Vegas based articles. There does not appear to be any material from that reference in any of the articles. I don't think it is spam, simply a POV link that is not really a reference for the article. I've deleted a few and probably missed a bunch more. I think the same guideline that BlankVerse suggested above should apply to references and see also sections. Vegaswikian 21:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Las Vegas Attrractions article

What is the sense of the project about creating this article from the Attractions section of the metro article? With a short introduction it would make a good sized article. Vegaswikian 02:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Las Vegas-stub

The Stub-sorting WikiProject criteria for creation of new stubs in usually at least 100 articles. You might look at both Category:United States-related stubs and Category:Western US geography stubs to see what could be moved to a Las Vegas-stub. Then you should also create a list of hotels, casinos, and other Las Vegas-area articles (both stubs and missing) that are not in those two categories. If the total is over 100, you should go ahead and propose it at WP:WSS/C.

One question, after a quick look at the categories listed above: Since I notice several articles that were in Nevada, but not in the Las Vegas-area, would it be better to have a Nevada-stub (notice that all the "daughter" stubs below {{US-west-geo-stub}} are by state)? BlankVerse ∅ 08:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

yes. Vegaswikian 20:39, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] external links and references

Should we have a guideline on the project page as to what material is included in the above headings? One editor is adding a commentary about Las Vegas to multiple articles as a reference. There is nothing in those articles that I can see that was taken from that source. The link might be included under external links, but as commentary, I'm not ure it would meet the high quality point that we have mentioned on this talk page. I suspect that we may need to better define what meets the highquality bar and if something like an opinion piece needs to be included in numerous articles. See. Vegaswikian 17:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimania 2007 Bid

I know this is really early to think about 2007 already but I think Las Vegas would be a perfect place for Wikimania 2007. With all the hotel rooms and convention space. UNLV could host some items with other items being at other convention spaces. What do people think? --Texaswebscout 07:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I see no problem in starting to consider making a bid. If there is interest, from a number of people, then a proposal could be started on. Knowing the dates would be critical given how space is booked. The biggest problem I see is cost if we have to pay for the conference facility. Given the desire by the city of Vegas to move up in technoligy, they may be willing to help if the publicity is there, but I suspect this will not happen. I see Vegas being able to compare well with other cities in terms of hotel cost, airfare cost, food quality and food cost and shopping. Be aware that if a group takes this on, it can lead to a lot of work. It will also take a lot of work to see what local support we can gather. Vegaswikian 08:30, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
If people could start by adding there name to a list below if you would like to help at all. You do not need to be an expect just a will to help. Wikimania usally falls around Summer. Please list your user name and where you are located (city, state, country) --Texaswebscout 00:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC) (Las Vegas, NV, USA)
I've created a page for 2007 in general, at m:Wikimania 2007. Good luck! -- user:zanimum

[edit] Attractions sections in casino articles

Lately it seems that many of these articles are acquiring sections that list features like:

  • Wedding chapels
  • Spas
  • Fitness centers
  • Shopping

These are features at nearly every casino hotel and including them on otherwise complete articles seems to make the article look like an advert for the casino. I have a smaller problem with this they of information when it may be all we have to include in an article. Vegaswikian 05:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I think what needs to happen is that instead of listing of attractions, it needs to be woven into the article whether it be its own section or part other sections. --Ben 04:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bally Companies

The Bally article needs a lot of work. Bally has a very complex history. It sold off the original manufacturing division then later was purchased by Hilton, later Park Place, later Caesars, even later, Harrah's. The article does not talk much about the gaming division and about the divisions being sold off. If someone has more information please work on this article. Thanks Ben 11:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation

Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd(?!? - help us) 07:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Western

Just found out that the article on this casino was changed to a redirec to something entirelly different. I reverted that change but the artcile needs some major help for many reasons. Can someone who knows a little about The Western do a few quick edits? Vegaswikian 20:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Klondike Hotel & Casino

The article about the Klondike Hotel & Casino has been placed on proposed deletion. Can someone take a look at the article and see if they can add anything to improve it? Vegaswikian 05:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boardwalk Hotel and Casino update?

  • I random stumbled on the Boardwalk Hotel and Casino article and from my own LV trip in Feb 2006, I couldn't figure out where this was located on the strip. This 'splained things, Lucy: "The Boardwalk Hotel and Casino has closed as of January 9, 2006 to make way for Project CityCenter." from [1]. Thought I would pass this along, I didn't see anything obvious about how the articles of former establishments are treated, though it is not included in the {{Las Vegas Strip}}, so that's a good sign. -- MrDolomite | Talk 09:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Las Vegas within de.wikipedia.org

Hi, I do some LV edits within the German wikipedia. I am thinking about maintaining a WikiProject, but I am not sure if I find enough German people to manage that. Beside translating your articels, it would be nice if we keep in touch. greetings from cologne Tronicum 10:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects and the various Vegas related articles

Naming conventions (settlements) has been discussing moving some US city articles to their basic name. So a place like Las Vegas, Nevada could be moved to Las Vegas. I have raised an issue with doing this for Las Vegas that others seem to agreee with. This is the issue of what would the correct article be for a Las Vegas redirect? I have started to DAB some of these links but the list is massive and so far most links do need changing.

Since Vegas also redirects the Las Vegas, Nevada we really have two questions. If you look at what is being redirected, many of the redirects are not really about the city. They are about the area in general or casinos not in the city.

Possible targets for one or both of these redirects inlclude:

Most of what outsiders see as Vegas or Las Vegas is not the city so the Strip would appear to be a more precise target for these redirects. After some reflection I think the metropolitan area artice would be better. Both articles would need a specific dab back to the Las Vegas, Nevada article before any other dabs. Both would not need to point to the same article if that in fact is a good choice. I have indicated my curent thinking on this above. What do the others here feel about this? Vegaswikian 20:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Nevada WikiProject

I have created a new proposed project page to deal with the rest of the state of Nevada at User:Warlordjohncarter/WikiProject Nevada. If any of this project's members would be interested in joining it, I would be deeply gratified. John Carter 17:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Why not move it to be a regular project? At the minimum, it could be a good place to list the related project including this one, gambling, roads and any other ones that are out there. The biggest issue is that there does not appear to be a lot of editors interested in things Nevada. I have been working on adding all of the airports and would like to get back to the registered historic places. A Nevada project could coordinate a list of items like those that other editors could work on. Vegaswikian 22:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I intend to do rename it as soon as I see that there are enough parties interested to give it a chance of viability. But, with just one member (me) involved, and myself possibly not in a primary capacity, I'm not sure it would have the support to remain viable. John Carter 15:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] “Viva Las Vegas” (song)

Could somebody knowledgeable please look at the article Viva Las Vegas (song). It has a POV problem regarding a controversy over the official song of Las Vegas. --Mathew5000 01:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image request

Hi all, I'm bringing it up here cause I assume this will have the highest concentration of people living in Las Vegas. Anyway, recently Madame Tussauds got a new wax model of Master Chief, and because he is a video game character, images are all fair use. However, a photo of the wax statue could be free if someone were to take a photo of it. Not only will it help illustrate the Halo 3 article, but it would be a free image, so if/when Master Chief (Halo) becomes featured, it can have an image on the main page. Entry costs US$24 for an adult (online). I'm not asking people to pay for entry especialy or to travel to the museum, but next time you are going out for the day (for example if you have guests or something), could you please consider it. Thanks, James086Talk | Email 09:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shortcut

Hey guys, i thought i'd do you a favour and create a shortcut to your page, just type in WP:LAS or WP:VGS and you'll get a direct link to the WikiProject, its much easier i have found after creating my WikiProject, WP:WLA or WikiProject Los Angeles, if you dont like it feel free to delete it. Cheers, (♠Taifarious1♠) 06:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overhaul of Template:Infobox Casino

Hi, i've noticed this template has been left on it's lonesome and was in dire need of an extreme makeover - wikipedia edition. It's been brought up to house style, and has had some new important fields added to the box. Feel free to check out the talk page for information, and drop me a line with any queries. Cheers. Thewinchester (talk) 12:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plaza Hotel & Casino

From the Wiki on the Plaza: "The Plaza's famed glass-domed Center Stage Restaurant has since closed as well."

I just stayed there this past weekend. The glass-dome area is now simply called "The Dome," and it's a sportsbar. (Info backed up from the Plaza's website: http://www.plazahotelcasino.com/dining.php ) I wasn't there during the evening, but I presume the Plaza's sportsbook can also book wagers from there as well. I didn't edit it because, really, I don't know enough about it and felt like I was intruding. // mike 1/8/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchron (talk • contribs) 20:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Resort projects

There have been questions about listing the individual properties on the Mandalay Bay site. There are several hotels there and other facilities. We will be seeing the same at The Venetian and The Palazzo complex then Wynn and City Center and so on. I think we need to have a common solution. The most obvious would be to have one article for the complex and then individual articles for the various facilities. Any opinions? Vegaswikian (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Having just watched "Building it Bigger"'s episode on the Palazzo, I'm tempted to say that the Palazzo and Venetian are two separate entities. There is WP precedent, with separate Bally's/Paris articles for that complex, which is entirely under one roof. It's possible to stay entirely at Bally's or Paris, and have the complete Vegas resort experience (hotel, check-in, entrance, casino, spas, restaurants/buffets, chips, nametags on staff, etc) without ever having visited the other side.SpikeJones (talk) 02:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The Palazzo is an independent entity. The only thing it has in common with Venetian is a gaming license. Similarly with Wynn and Encore. Marchron (talk) 19:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, which is why the question especially as Echelon Place and Project City Center get built out. I'm leaning to say that there should be one article for the complex and then articles as needed for the notable components. I'm not convinced that all of the hotels or condos at these complexes deserve an article. However they are worthy of a section in the resort article. Likewise for the Sands complex. Some lists are already listing the two (actually 3?) hotels as one and saying it is the largest in number of rooms. We don't have an article on the entire complex that covers the hotels, meeting space, convention space and parking which is rather extensive and is really all part of a single resort complex. I think that needs to be done so that while it is one resort it has different indpendant components operating together. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Convention center rebuilt around 1970-71

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/SpecialActs/05-LasVegasConvention1971.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.117.236.162 (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Categories - 2

There is an effort underway to rename most categories of the form city to the city, state form. On the surface this is not a big issue. However some editors have taken the position that these are now city only categories and they can delete everything else. Rather then face this down the road, would it make sense to review the projects use of categories? Should we create more categories for the Las Vegas metropolitan area? Or maybe start ones for the Las Vegas strip. Right now using Clark County, Nevada categories seem to be a good top layer. Note that unless you are watching the articles affected, deleting of categories is not easy to track. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)