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[edit] Kurdistan Stubs

Every Project in en.wikipedia have stubs. I think these are a very important part of a Wiki Project. Kurdistan stubs were deleted before WikiProject Kurdistan have created. There were hardly users, who support for keep. For this reason these stubs should be create again. --Bohater 01:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

We don't need stubs to be a Wikiproject. I find they are more a waste of time than anything. The time would be better spent working on article content. We don't have any Kurdistan FA's yet. - Francis Tyers · 07:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Hallo Francis Tyers, well you right, but a bot can do the work for us. I think there is not a lot of work for puting of stubs. Even WikiProject Assyria have stubs: Here. In addition, don't worry I have time. --Bohater 11:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Assyria/Templates I see red links on those stub links. Please take stub related discussions to the relevant wikiproject. Though I'd like to point out in advance, stubs are expected to be non-controversial titles which Kurdistan fails to meet. -- Cat chi? 23:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Well you see red, but i see green. See the contents of these articles again. On the other hand new glasses could be help it. --Bohater 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll nominate it for deletion now. -- Cat chi? 00:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Please stay away from this project and don’t participate Cat, you don’t have positive things for this project. You’re just getting in the way of the participants of this project and everyone’s hard work and effort. Looking at your record on this project and on Wikipedia in general you’re basically anti-Kurdish. There I said it plainly, we get it that you’re a Turk and you don’t like Kurds. Don’t deny it, and don’t put bullshit on your page stating that you don’t want to disclose you’re nationally or ethnicity. You speak Turkish and that’s all I need to know that you are Turkish. DO YOU SEE ANY KURDS DOING WHAT YOU DO, DO YOU SEE ANY PLEASE STATE THERE NAMES? You spread misinformation about Kurds and all topics related to Kurds, you do everything to get in there way. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A PLACE FOR TO SPREAD YOU BULLSHIT, if you don’t stop this I will get admins. and other people to put an end to what you’re doing. I have had enough of your bullshit on Wikipedia. 71.222.81.30 00:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Please sign in and be civil. I am merely helping based on Wikipedia:Five pillars. You are violating/challenging at least three of the pillars with that very statement. Also, I am not a participant of this wikiproject. Never was. -- Cat chi? 00:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Dear IP, please keep your tone civil and don't use personal attacks. Discuss the content, not editors, and if you continue in this aggressive manner you'll find your editing privileges removed. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 01:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cities in Kurdistan

This is unacceptable. I think the participants should give their opinion. --Bohater 23:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] three colored borders

I have removed the WP:POINTy colors also as per WP:NOT. Please do not restore them. -- Cat chi? 15:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Cat grabbed me for an opinion on this. I think the borders are ugly and should probably go because of that, but this is a really lame thing to argue about in any event. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
again!!!: The Spanish historian, Manuel Martorel says: ""Tanto es así que su bandera se compone de los colores del culto mazdeista: rojo (fuego), amarillo (sol) y verde (tierra)..."" [[1]]:
Translated: ""The colors red (stove), yellow (sun) and green (land) describe the flag, which expresses the cult of the kurds"".
I'm not having any discussions about it! --Bohater 18:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Fascinating but the historic cultic value of the colors become irrelevant in todays political world. For instance, the KDP feels differently from you and Manuel Martorel: Red (symbolizes the blood of Kurdish martyrs and the continued struggle for Kurdish freedom and dignity), Green (expresses the beauty and the landscapes of Kurdistan), Yellow (represents the source of life and light of the people). Since these colors clearly have a political meaning, they do not belong to wikipedia namespace at all. Also this isn't a "Wikiproject Kurds" its merely a geographic region wikiproject. If you are not willing to have a discussion about something, you are hence not willing to engage in dispute resolution which is disruptive. You do not have that kind of an authority. -- Cat chi? 18:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Well i am willig, the question is? How long would you still discuss about the colors?. [[2]], [[3]], enough is enough In addition i say in the name of this Project: Please don't discuss here more. Therefore the discussion is end. --Bohater 18:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest all those participants of the project to ignore repetitions of issues and spend time to work on articles; this would be much more useful and please do let some users do their best to eliminate our symbolic elements. This issue is like saying why does the Turkish flag consist of red and white colours and have a moon and a star! There is splenty theories and one is bold enough to claim that it's red because it was painted by the blood of those martyrs that died in Ottoman wars and Turkish independence war. Yet we say that these colours have no political representation and yet without proving you insist on such small detail; I would like to remind you that you haven't succeeded on changing the name nor the colours before. Red, Green and Yellow are the colours of Iranian peoples. Wikipedia allows information to be presented to people as pure as possible and even ethnical flags have an article so please if you have a problem with that take it on another level; not in here which we are clearly not the athority for such principles. Özgūr Talk Hist 14:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Honestly, the green color used as a border are fine, but the red and yellow need to go for political reasonings. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I had enough of this guy and his BULLSHIT, can we have a vote to keep this guy out of this project and everything related. He is not even a participant in this project, I say stay away Turk. 71.222.81.30 01:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I am no Turk. Two, wikiprojects cannot vote to kickout members or to ban members from any Kurdistan or Kurdish related articles. It will take one of these to make that happen. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I am not talking about you, I am talking about Cat. 71.222.81.30 00:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, but what I mentioned above still applies; if you wish to have White Cat stop editing areas on Kurdistan, you have to go to WP:RFAr first to get it to happen (maybe a outside view by the community could be useful before taking it to Arbitration). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discrimination

I am seeking people to help me with improving the NPOV of Human rights related articles in Turkish Kurdistan particularly. There is a lot of discrimination going on in these articles and we need to at the least put the Kurdish perspective in those articles too. Some articles include; Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey, Human rights in Turkey, Turkish general election. Özgūr Talk Hist 14:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

You are supposed to put a neutral perspective, not a kurdish/turkish/whatever. I find the title of this section ("discrimination") to be inflammatory. -- Cat chi? 13:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I remember having exactly the same conversation with you about a year ago. I will not repeat myself. Those pages are beyond belief with neutrality; accusing Kurds for the entire "honor" killings in the country without backed sources, these pages are full of POV forking. A advice for you, why don't you actually try to work to better the neutrality of those articles instead of bugging participants not to do it in here. Özgūr Talk Hist 23:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
This is a talk page intended for discussion. I do not believe I ever objected the addition of neutral information from verifiable, credible, and reliable sources. Which article is forked on Turkish general election, 2007 or Human rights in Turkey? Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey may be a fork of Human rights in Turkey but a merger was opposed. -- Cat chi? 05:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
It's intended for useful discussions. Both of those articles are forked; by only making discriminative arguments and particularly the "2007 election" article doesn't even mention the Kurdish issues, when in Turkey it's the most discussed issue among politicians. But I will soon put that part in. If you was so pro-neutral you would of actually not allowed those arguments on those articles. Please have a good look at those artciles and see what I mean. As soon as I get time in my hand I'm going to sort those articles extremely! Özgūr Talk Hist 11:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Again which article are they forking from? What do you mean by discriminative arguments? I do not understand. Would you mind citing an example or two at the articles talk page?
I am not "pro/anti-neutral". Neutrality is a non-negotiable policy. Everyone is hence required to be "pro-neutral".
You may not have noticed but I was the person adding that PKK death threat thing to the article for which I have been called a "terrorist". Many articles on wikipedia lack content. You are more than welcome to add additional material to either article assuming you have verifiable, credible and reliable sources for it.
Why would I be responsible for edits made by someone else? I am neither expected nor required to watch all articles relevant to Turkey/Kurdish people/Whatever.
I do not know what you mean by "extremely" sorting the articles. Would you mind elaborating?
-- Cat chi? 13:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Hello,

I noticed that Cat:Kurdish people seems to be out of line with the convention for "people" categories, probably because the main entry on Kurds is Kurdish people, which sounds similar, and so I want to move everything not related to "people", including that entry, into a higher parent category, though I'm unsure what to call it (perhaps Cat:Kurd, a form that seems standardised as in Cat:Arab?). Cheers, TewfikTalk 06:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Cat:Kurds will do in my opinion. Özgūr Talk Hist 08:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1991 Uprisings

I can't seem to find an article on the 1991 uprisings against Saddam in the wake of the Gulf War. Should there be such an article? If so, can anyone start one? BobFromBrockley 08:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bahoz Erdal

I've just added Bahoz Erdal, could use some informed help. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 18:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Any reason, why he is notable? Any reason, why we should use blogs and violate WP:RS? Any reason to have this article not NPOV from the start? Do we know any detail about him, his age, gender (male I guess), which university he finished (medical or PhD doctor)? How will this article be expanded, with his quotes? Will we be just advertising PKK, you know who is not that related to HPG anymore, as PKK is peace loving. We don't have an article on that Syrian AlQaeda guy captured in Turkey, who was top tier. Just let's not abuse blockquotes. DenizTC 17:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I found the piece on Bahoz Erdal useful. If somebody wants to do a piece on "that Syrian AlQaeda guy" it might be good too. Maybe we could even learn his name .--Vindheim 23:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Useful for what, how will we expand that info, can we just not add that info to PKK? Do we even know that he graduated from some college, or whether Dr. is his nickname? I'll wait a bit more to get some responses, if I don't get any, I am thinking of a merger proposal or an AFD. Please expand using reliable sources. DenizTC 17:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The blogs are quoting magazines and newspaper articles about him, and like Vindheim, I encourage you to please make an article about "that Syrian alQaeda guy", whoever you are referring to. The purpose of these articles is so that when somebody hears "Bohaz Erdal" claim that the border region is getting less violent...they can go look up who the hell he is. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 20:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
They will already know who he is, and unfortunately not much more, unless we can dig up some information about that Hussein guy (who seems to be a leader of KONGRAGEL), which might be Erdal. The thing is I cannot make the article about that "Syrian alQaeda guy" as my knowledge on him is limited, even if he is rather high ranking. His name is apparently Lovai Sakra, his nickname is "Saffet", he is Syrian as well. DenizTC 22:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nur Ali Elahi and Hajj Nematollah

(Cross-posted to WikiProject Iran) I've added this project's banner to Talk:Nur Ali Elahi and Talk:Hajj Nematollah. There is currently a dispute as to whether the former should be renamed "Ostad Elahi". I invite anyone knowledgeable about the subject (and, perhaps, with boundless mental energy) to weigh in at Talk:Nur Ali Elahi#Article Name. As for the second article, there's not really a dispute, but it faces a similar issue. I'm not knowledgeable about either subject, just trying to help straighten this out. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is this project not available in kurdish?

/\ enough said 82.29.70.34 (talk) 02:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

In the Kurdish Wikipedia, I'd imagine Kurds are free to write in their tongue without interference from other people. In the English wikipedia, there is a need for groups like these. Unless you haven't noticed, Kurdish-related articles tend to be edited heavily by ultra-nationalists, especially from some ultra-nationalist Turks and Arabs, and from some Kurds who don't know much beyond their oral histories and folklore. Groups like these are necessary to *try* and achieve a true NPOV that the English wiki holds dear. --MercZ (talk) 20:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I need help identifying a site

During my recent trip to Northern Iraq this past summer, I went to an ancient site called "Khanas/Xhanas?" west of Akre on the old road to Duhok.

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/6541893.jpg

That is the picture there, and you can see a very old carving left by some sort of society. The figure on the left is still recognizable. Any idea as to what society left that? If you can find where it is, it can be added to the appropriate articles--MercZ (talk) 06:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yazdanism

An editor has expressed a concern at Talk:Yazdânism about the verifiability of the Yazdânism article. This is fairly much beyond my realm of knowledge, so I thought I would ask here if someone could address these concerns. Thank you, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)