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Contents 1 New license template 2 Sengoku generals 3 Template:Administrative divisions of Japan 4 Electoral districts 5 On Japanese Religion 6 SS Kiche Maru 7 Shima Uta 8 Navbox changed for Valentine's Day 9 Proposed move of Japanese honorifics 10 Dō (Way) and Tao 11 Torakichi Nakamura 12 UNESCO redirects needed 13 Nanori 14 Non-English sources 15 Futara Yoshinori 16 Japanese idol template? 17 RfC regarding seiyū role lists 18 Disputed citation 19 Talk:Kiyama, Saga 20 Kanji for Japan Airlines Flight 123 pilots? 21 Tagged articles 22 Inka 23 Gaijin 24 Five Mountains or Five Zen Temples 25 Wife of Kazuyoshi Miura (businessman) - Kazumi Miura 26 More kanji requests 27 notability/prods

New license template

After reading the copyright law of Japan, I have given rise to a new license template: Template:PD-Japan-exempt. This is mostly for images created based on Japanese law, including local and national laws. These include national and prefectural symbols, so far. I suggest to use this template here for some of our prefectural symbols, and if you feel like doing Commons tagging, the template is there also. Any and all corrections to the template are welcome. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to sound discouraging or anything, but are you confident in interpretation of the law? For one thing, as I understand, the Japanese copyright law doesn't define public domain, and consequently there is no notion of public domain in Japan. Additionally, Article 13 basically says the Constitution of Japan (or any other laws and their translations) is not subject to copyright; I can't think of any images that are exempted by this clause. Just thoughts. -- Taku (talk) 11:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

This sounds like what's we are looking for.

Article 32. (1) It shall be permissible to make quotations from a work already made public, provided that their making is compatible with fair practice and their extent does not exceed that justified by purposes such as news reporting, criticism or research.

(2) It shall also be permissible for the press or other periodicals to reproduce informatory, investigatory or statistical data, reports and other works of similar character which have been prepared by organs of the State or local public entities or independent administrative organs for the purpose of public information and which have been made public under their authorship, provided that the reproduction thereof is not expressly prohibited.

The problem is Wikipedia prefers not to use fair use images. (This is something I don't necessarily agree with, though.) -- Taku (talk) 11:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Taku, that license is designed for images derived from actual law, or based on laws. This page was what this license is intended for. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 15:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok. That example explained perfectly its intended use. I just couldn't image laws or such may contain images. Also, rewording makes its intent clearer. Thanks. -- Taku (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I reworded the template a bit and I hope this can be very clear now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I like the template. I think it will prove very useful. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Most of the prefecture flags me or other users have done use the symbol of each prefecture. I personally been coming up with websites showing each prefecture flag and how to draw them. Nihonjoe, with your permission, I wish to make a subpage showing my progress in finding these pages. I do not know what the JIS-Z colors are, or how to find them, but this can be on our way to reduce fair use but also get some good images for the project. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you need my permission to do that, but rather input from a lot of different WP:JA members. Or, you can just be bold and do it. (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I took your hint and started on it on my own: User:Zscout370/jpmon. Nagano and Shiga prefectures have the format of what I am looking for in links, so everyone else can use those pages as examples. I still have some links saved in my bookmarks folder. Everyone in WP:JA is welcome to add to it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, if I recall correctly, Japanese Wikipedia seemed to reach the opposite conclusion: Prefecture and Municipal symbols are not in PD so couldn't be used without their permission. It may have been based some of replies of prefecture or municipal offices. If we have them as PD it would be nice, but I think it is better for us to have a precaution. --Aphaia (talk) 12:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Sengoku generals

Who merits an encyclopedia article? That's a question numerous Wikipedia discussions have addressed. The deletion discussion of the article Karasawa Genba leads to a more specific question: Which Sengoku generals should have articles about them? Is the only criterion the existence of external references? Or even with external references, are some noteworthy and others not? Can we draw up any general guidance? Can we prepare a ready-made answer to the charge that usually arises in deletion discussions, "non-notable"? Fg2 (talk) 02:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I think that if they meet the basic requirements for WP:BIO, they should have their own article. Otherwise, perhaps a general (no pun intended) article should be created to hold all of the generals not notable enough for their own article. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

The Biographies page you linked to sets out the basic guidelines. It in turn has sections for politicians, diplomats, ambassadors, creative professionals, athletes, entertainers, and pornographic actors. So I'm wondering what a section would say if we wrote one for sengoku generals. Do daimyo deserve articles? Do their retainers? Would a criterion such as kokudaka or holding a gun (郡) be worthwhile? Is a passing praise for valor in a chronicle sufficient, or would we need more substantive information?

Here's the section on politicians. It's one place we could start, and then try modifying it:

• Politicians who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature.
• Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.
• Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such a person may be notable for other reasons besides their political careers alone.

Fg2 (talk) 11:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:Administrative divisions of Japan

Everyone with an interest in Template:Administrative divisions of Japan: I've posted a question at Template talk:Administrative divisions of Japan#Which entities belong at each level? and am looking for input before editing the template. Fg2 (talk) 10:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Electoral districts

An editor has created the article Kanagawa's 11th district and the Category:Parliamentary districts of the Diet of Japan. If anyone wants to suggest other naming, it'll be simplest to change before we get hundreds of articles (which we eventually should, perhaps). Fg2 (talk) 11:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we definitely need to have articles on every parliamentary district. (Not sure about now-defunct ones, though). I edited it by adding the table. Does anyone have a suggestion on the style? Any though on the use of a template? I can use a script to quickly create boilerplate articles on every district. Also, the category name needs to be changed, because we need to distinguish districts in the House of Representatives from those in the House of Councillors. My suggestion would be: Category:Districts in the House of Representatives in Japan. -- Taku (talk) 08:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

On Japanese Religion

The opinion has been expressed that the sources on the religion section of the overall/general Japan article are not credible enough, not reliable/verifiable enough. If better sources are not found ASAP, drastic changes will be made to that section, removing discussion of the fact that while the vast majority of Japanese are officially counted by Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples both as belonging to those institutions, most Japanese when asked directly will claim to not be religious. This is a crucial aspect of religion in modern Japan.

Can anyone please please please help!? Surely someone out there must be a Religions of Japan scholar, with proper serious professional academic sources? LordAmeth (talk) 13:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

SS Kiche Maru

Trying to figure out the Japanese name of this ship which sank in 1912 in order to find more sources, because there's literally none in English (probably because the contemporary reporting screwed up the name). My cursory investigation turned up a ship that sank on the same date and caused a similarly large number of deaths; however, the name of that ship was 梅ヶ香丸. Please comment at Talk:SS Kiche Maru if you have any idea. Thanks! cab (talk) 02:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No entry at ja:海難事故. The only listing for 1912 is Titanic. The associated ja:Category:海難事故 has only two in the ki section; neither matches this. I didn't see anything in ja:吹雪 (春雨型駆逐艦) (Fubuki) and I don't see a Tachibana in ja:Category:日本の駆逐艦 (destroyers). Sorry Fg2 (talk) 07:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Can't find anything relevant in ja:1912年. Fg2 (talk) 07:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

EB has no entry for "Kiche"; Google Scholar for "Kiche Maru" has nothing relevant. Looked for "Kichi" in various searches (e.g. Kichi 1912) without success. Fg2 (talk) 08:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Kiche doesn't sound a proper Japanese word. Besides Kichi, Kichū, Kicchū or Kicchō might be. --Aphaia (talk) 00:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Aphaia, thanks for the other suggestions. They are of course possible. The reason I looked for Kichi is that if an English-speaking person hears "Kichi" he or she might write "Kiche." The mistake is not common when the sound is "o" or "u." But still, these are possible. Fg2 (talk) 03:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

So, after two or three weeks, it's time to question whether there was a ship named SS Kiche Maru. Is the information in the article true, but describing a different ship? Or should we delete the article? Fg2 (talk) 02:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Japanese destroyer Fubuki: Commissioned: August 10, 1928. ja:松型駆逐艦#同型艦橘型 橘（たちばな）：1945年1月20日竣工（横須賀海軍工廠）。同年7月14日函館港内で沈没。

The years do not meet each other at all. This article in 1915 lists the shipwreck of Matsu Maru on March 23, 1908, lost 300, while neither other Japanese nor Kicke-like shipwreck is listed.--Jjok (talk) 03:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Shima Uta

This article is no longer a stub. It still needs work.Berkeleysappho (talk) 05:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Navbox changed for Valentine's Day

I'll change it back after Valentine's Day. (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed move of Japanese honorifics

The Japanese honorifics page is a description of Japanese keigo, and several comments on the talk page have (correctly I think) noted that the title is therefore somewhat misleading. Honorific speech in Japanese is probably more appropriate. Please discuss here. Bikasuishin (talk) 10:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Dō (Way) and Tao

The article Dō (Way) was created recently. Not sure what the correct relationship of this article to Tao is. The disambiguation page Do says that Do may refer to "Dō (道) or Tao, the way and order of the universe in Chinese philosophy," linking to both articles. Dō (Way) does not link to any Japanese article, but the apparent candidate is 道 (哲学). However, this already links to Tao. Should these be combined, and if not, what's the best way to distinguish them? Fg2 (talk) 00:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

道 (哲学) is about Tao, so the current interlang link is okay. And the medival notion of 道 is not eqaul to Tao. It rather came from Buddhist Dharma. Btw Dō seems to be wrongly named. Japanese philosophy has no such term as a word, but only a part of composites and the source this article cited itself was named "michi and ...". If we keep this article, it should be renamed to "michi" I suppose. --Aphaia (talk) 00:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Are the two (Do and Tao) really different? Of course, the Japanese had adopted it in their own way, but the roots are the same, I suppose. I can't conceive of any problem for having some "In Japan" section in the article Tao. Tao doesn't have to be limited to the Chinese philosophy. I think the confusion here arises because the Japanese are not familiar the term Tao per se. Or maybe I'm completely mistaken. -- Taku (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know much about Japanese philosophy or the subtle nuances of the character, but I get the impression that while 道、天道、悟道 may have to do with Taoism, 茶道、剣道、弓道、花道 (Way of Tea, Way of the Sword, Way of the Bow, Way of Flowers, respectively) and the like do not, being their own separate disciplines/philosophies unto themselves. Surely the simple answer is to ask someone experienced in kendo, kyudo, sado or the like what they were taught, what they know of the meaning of "the Way" within the context of their art. LordAmeth (talk) 02:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I have learned Sado for years, just for your information. And those "michi" / particular do is somehow related to Zen Buddhism "do". Zen Buddhism was influenced in China from Taoism to some extent, but as Taku said, "do" / way is a general term, which is not necessarily related to Taoism. Christianity calls their teaching as "way" in some passages, like John 14, but we don't think it relate to "tao" or not? Having etymology in common doesn't necessary mean they are very close in a philosophical depth. And I would like to point out Taoism itself gave almost no direct influcence to Japanese way of thought. --Aphaia (talk) 19:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Torakichi Nakamura

Hi, I just created an article at Torakichi Nakamura. I would appreciate any expansion that can be done to it, including the Japanese charactes for his name. Corvus cornix_talk 22:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Added kanji. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

UNESCO redirects needed

UNESCO refers to universities by Japanese names, so redirects need to be made from the UNESCO names to the proper names. See this: http://www.unesco.org/iau/onlinedatabases/list_data/j-nw.html ?

UNESCO refers to universities by Japanese names, so redirects need to be made from the UNESCO names to the proper (I.E. Wikipedia MOS-compliant) names. That way if some guy starts typing any of the names from the UNESCO list, he or she will get a redirect to the right place. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a bot or a script could help. Fg2 (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Nanori

An interesting question has arisen about the article Nanori. Please see User talk:Fg2#Nanori. Also Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#moto in japanese. Comments? Fg2 (talk) 02:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The matter seems to have been clarified. Many thanks to Bendono. Fg2 (talk) 10:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Non-English sources

We're debating the wording of Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources. Please comment at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Requirement of direct quotation for use of non-English sources. Thanks, cab (talk) 05:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Futara Yoshinori

Friends, can you help me fill in some blanks? Thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Please also check out http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=101635 . A photograph exists of Baldur von Schirach together with Futara Yoshinori as spectators at fight games of the Hitlerjugend in Bremen, taken August 15, 1937.

Although right now I get "General Error SQL ERROR [mysql4]

Got error 127 from storage engine [1030]

An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator if this problem persists."

Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 22:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Japanese idol template?

There's a debate going on at Template talk:Female adult bio‎ (bottom section, "Another question") concerning, specifically, the Weight and Blood Type fields of that template. Since a suggestion has been made that the Japanese subjects might be better served using a separate template, the discussion may be of interest to members of Project Japan. Regards, Dekkappai (talk) 21:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

RfC regarding seiyū role lists

Please come participate over here. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Disputed citation

User:Bueller 007 disputes the accuracy of an attributed meaning for one or more Japanese era names -- see here.

• Tenpyō-shōhō is said to mean heaveny peace & victorious Buddhism according to a credible source -- see here.

-- Bowman, John. (2000). Columbia Chronologies of Asian History and Culture. New York: Columbia University Press.

This represents a problem which cannot be resolved in a Talk-page exchange of views.  :::--Tenmei (talk) 20:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• Literally 天平勝宝 means "heavenly peace & great treasure". The latter may have meant the cited meaning probably, but it is a reflection of the author in my opinion. As far as I know, the "treasure" designated gold found in Mutsu province early in this year (649) which was used to decorate Great Buddha of Nara then being built. --Aphaia (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Aphaia's comments are always welcome and helpful. The modest tone and conciliatory style produce an hortatory effect. No doubt I'd do well if I tried harder to imitate that temperate strategy; but I construe the central issue differently -- much less generously. I would have thought User:Bueller 007's gambit is perhaps better deflected by the following:

• Wikipedia:No original research (NOR)?

• Wikipedia:Neutral point of view (NPOV)?

• Wikipedia:Verifiability (V)?

• Wikipedia:Civility?

If not, why not? If not now, when? --Tenmei (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion posted at Talk:Japanese era name#Disputed citation

Hey. First, a few things: I speak Japanese, so I'm not in the dark on this one, and I've seen this page listed on 3O a number of times. Admittedly, I didn't know that the names of the eras is derived from larger sentences, but in retrospect, it makes sense. I have come up with two potential solutions, and I'd like to hear discussion on both.

1. List both the literal reading, and the phrase that the name may have come from. This gives equal voicing to both viewpoints.
2. Remove both readings, and instead move them both to the article for that era. Also gives equal voicing to both viewpoints on the appropriate page.

I actually prefer the second option here, as it moves to the era page text that is specific to the era. So for Reiki, for example, one of the first sections on the specific page would be Etymology, with a line saying "The name 'reiki' literally means ethereal tortoise. The name was derived from "(sentence)", which means (translation)." In this way, you can give all the other information you want about the full sentence and whatever, so long as it's properly sourced.

That's what I think. What do you guys think now? Is this an acceptable solution? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 17:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

User:HelloAnnyong's proposal has obvious merits. Regardless of what unfolds in terms of Japanese era name and with this specific controversy about Tenpyō-shōhō, I will act on HelloAnnyong's suggestion by taking it on myself to introduce an etymology section into each of the nengō articles. --Tenmei (talk) 17:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I no longer believe that a constructive outcome is achievable in this talk-page setting. In my view, this is not a dispute which can be resolved on this page. For the time being, I continue to oppose any major reformatting edit User:Bueller 007 may be contemplating.

Whatever good which might have attended a discussion here is best held in abeyance pending whatever develops from inquiries at WP:WQA. In this context, I take some comfort in learning from HelloAnnyong that, at the higher levels of dispute resolution, both users come under scrutiny. I'm quite confident that my entire editing history can withstand close scrutiny. I can't see how User:Bueller 007 can feel similarly at ease with the prospect of a too-revealing examination. --Tenmei (talk) 21:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Kiyama, Saga

An anon wrote something in Japanese at Talk:Kiyama, Saga. Could someone see if it important? All I could understand with my Japanese is that he's saying something "is not". Maybe there's a mistake in the article. Cattus ^talk 20:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't think so. It says: "It's not written 基山, it's 木山, and it's not in Saga prefecture, it's in Kumamoto prefecture." I think the anon is probably talking about a different town of the same (romanised) name. TomorrowTime (talk) 20:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Thanks. Cattus ^talk 21:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Kanji for Japan Airlines Flight 123 pilots?

I found the names of the JAL123 pilots. "The pilots, including Captain Masami Takahama,[2]first officer Yutaka Sasaki, and flight engineer Hiroshi Fukuda,[3] "

What are the kanji used for their names? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

According to ja:日本航空123便墜落事故 (see the section 事故当日のJAL123便), they were (in order) 高浜雅己, 佐々木祐副, and 福田博. Fg2 (talk) 22:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Tagged articles

I was just updating the numbers on the quality stats template and was surprised by how many articles have been tagged as Japan-related. Take a look at the template. (^_^). ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

A couple thousand are on municipalities. My guess is that J-pop, seiyū, anime, manga and other popular culture outnumber them. Fg2 (talk) 05:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

A lot of the J-pop articles are included in these numbers as they fall under WP:JA. Many pop culture articles do, too. The anime, seiyū, and manga articles are not included, however, as they all fall under WP:ANIME. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

This generally doesn't include any of the many train articles, either. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 10:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

There are 2380 articles tagged with {{TIJ}}. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 10:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Inka

I have just redone the article for inka and while transcribing a direct quote encountered a character I cannot find. It has to do with the emperor's seal, and in the currect article appears as (IP)—however, the I looked much more like a backwards P (but not quite). I was wondering if someone knows what this is if they could fix the I to reflect this. (Mind meal (talk) 12:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC))

Do you have a link showing the kanji? I can't seem to find anything. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually yes. It appears on page 267 here [1]. You'll need to scroll to the next page. I'm not even entirely sure this is kanji. I don't know what the heck it is. (Mind meal (talk) 21:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC))

Hmm...I'm not sure what that is. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 22:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Man, that sucks. Thanks anyway. (Mind meal (talk) 22:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC))

Maybe the article means 卬 or 卯? --ざくら木 23:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Inka may be ja:印可 (which has an interwiki link to en:Dharma transmission) and the problem is about the right half of 印, i.e. 卩. The quoted book talks how the character 卩 was formed, but I cannot verify the story about the "broken seal." --Sushiya (talk) 00:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Probably, 印可証明[2]. There are also vi:Ấn khả chứng minh and de:Inkan-Shimei.--Jjok (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I consulted with Dai Kan-Wa jiten and found that 卪, which can be written as 卩, means a broken half of seal and the left half is [3] or [4]. Anyway, I doubt whether such discussion is necessary for the inka article. --Sushiya (talk) 03:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Just checking on the status of this request. (Mind meal (talk) 09:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC))

Gaijin

Content on this page is under dispute at present: the main tensions are related to whether there is racial/racist connotation to the word, and undue weight issues related to the various interpretations. Other voices and commentators welcome.--Slp1 (talk) 16:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Five Mountains or Five Zen Temples

Hi. I have finished translating a long article about the Five Mountain System (which was a Buddhist temple ranking system that institutionalized Zen during the Kamakura and Muromachi periods). I haven't released it into the wild, yet, because even if the issue is obscure, it implies changes to at the very least ten articles (the ten that concern the ten Five Mountain temples, all very important) and the creation (I believe) of several redirect pages so, before I step onto somebody toes, I want to solve a problem of terminology to everyone's satisfaction.

The issue for me centers on the fact that the Kamakura Five Mountains and the Kyoto Five Mountains are most frequently called (but not by specialists) Five Zen Temples or Five Great Zen temples, a name I despise because hopelessly vague; it also deliberately obfuscates the existence of a complex and historically significant ranking system.

Unfortunately, as bad as they are these terms are likely points of entry of visitors. I would acknowledge the existence of the term Kamakura or Kyoto Five Zen Temples with a redirect page, and use elsewhere the terms reference books use, that is Five Mountains or Five Mountain temples. I would also create redirect pages for Gozan (the German and French Wikipedias actually put the Five Mountain article under that title), Kamakura Gozan, Kyoto Gozan, Gozan System and Five Mountains. Anyone has strong opinions on the subject? Sorry for the long talk, but I couldn't make it any shorter.

Urashimataro (talk) 02:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the currently-caged article? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure.

User:Urashimataro/Gozan_System

Urashimataro (talk) 02:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 02:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wife of Kazuyoshi Miura (businessman) - Kazumi Miura

What is the kanji of Kazuyoshi Miura (businessman)'s wife, Kazumi Miura? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

ja:ロス疑惑 says it's 三浦一美, which seems to be right based on all the GHits [5]. cab (talk) 08:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I concur. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed with some notable sources (cf. major medias) and legislative records [6][7] [8][9]. [10] mentions also Miura himself. --Aphaia (talk) 05:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

More kanji requests

What is the kanji of Tamotsu Kuma, the guy with Yoshimi Ichikawa when Ichikawa's plane crashed into All Nippon Airways Flight 58? And there is Akira Emoto and his wife, Chieko - Emoto tried to blow up an ANA plane in 1958 after diving out of it, but the bombs did not explode (that saved the lives of Chieko and the other passengers). [11] WhisperToMe (talk) 07:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

隈太茂津[12](a jurisprudent paper based on court record, perhaps the court record may be available in an equivalent of LexusNexus in Japan, with which I am not familiar). Mr. and Mrs. Emoto, I have no information. --Aphaia (talk) 07:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't find anything about the 1958 attempt. Looked at Wikipedia:索引 え, 全日本空輸 and 1958年 as well as various Google searches but came up empty-handed. The actor 柄本明 kept popping up. Fg2 (talk) 10:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I suspect there is no online resource about that (too much old, and there was no governmental Research Committee at that time iirc). Contemporary newspaper copy at your library may help. --Aphaia (talk) 10:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You may be right. I agree that online sources are rare for older events. Fg2 (talk) 10:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

notability/prods

Despite the prods, the articles "Bringing forth new life"‎ and Sadako Kurihara‎ seem to be notable, can anyone boost these? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Would merging the article on the poem into the one on the poet help? Fg2 (talk) 06:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It might not hurt, but Douggers has done a great job of improving both articles, which were days old, so the prods were bad faith in the first place. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate the compliments, but adding a few kanji and a couple of references definitely aren't enough. I'm just bored at work and found a few helpful sites. It's a nice poem, though, so I hope someone out there can actually add some meat to the articles. Douggers (talk) 06:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)