Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2006

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Contents 1 Project page format 2 Trains in Japan 3 Page layout 4 Image source needed 5 Opinions needed 6 Collaboration 7 Template:Japan article 8 On being part of WikiProject Japan 9 Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation 10 RfC at Lolicon 11 check

Project page format

The page looks fine at 800x600 resolution, but at anything higher there is a lot of whitespace running vertically right down the center of the article. At 1920x1440 resolution it is taking up around 20% of the screen! --Squilibob 03:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually it looks fine up to 1024x768 before the gap is noticable. --Squilibob 03:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Whitespace where? At the top? The middle? The bottom? I just removed the only specific width I could find. Did that make it better? --日本穣 03:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I have decided that it must be specific to my PC since no one else is having the layout problem I have. I use firefox 1.5. -Squilibob 12:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Squilibob, does the problem you have happen to be related to the one I've posted below? (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Page_layout) I'm also using Firefox 1.5. - Tangotango 12:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes it appears similar to your screenshot but instead of being cutoff at item 2, mine is cutoff at item 5 under firefox 1.5 and Opera 8. Same problem same area. I use 1280x1024 also but I've tried every other resolution and I've tried IE6 and that does what I explained above, that is, a big gap in the middle of the article between the scope and goals on the left and the TOC and wikiboxes on the right. I'm going to play with the wikicode to see if I can edit a workaround for those mozilla browser problems. --Squilibob 12:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that, Squilibob. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Trains in Japan

I propose the creation of WikiProject Trains in Japan, to standardize and organize articles about Japanese railways. The temporary project page can be seen here. If you are interested, please sign your name here. Thank you! - Tangotango 06:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a notice to announce the creation of WikiProject Trains in Japan, a descendant project of WikiProject Japan. If you would like to become a member, please add yourself to the Participants list on the page. Thanks! - Tangotango 09:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Page layout

I've sort of changed the layout of the main project page, because at least Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer appear to have issues with all the floating. I hope nobody minds. Does anyone know how the TOC can be separated from the sister project boxes by a few pixels? - Tangotango 16:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...you must have some wonky browser settings as the page appears fine in Firefox on both Windows XP and Mac OS X. MSIE has problems with floating because it's not a standards-compliant browser. CSS tends to break when displayed in MSIE. The page also appeared fine in Safari and Camino on OS X. --日本穣 18:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The page works fine on Firefox 1.5 (on Windows XP and Linux) and IE (7) when the browser window is under about 1000 pixels wide. Any more than that and one item (depending on the width) in the "Scope and Goals" numbered list wraps by word. (here) These browsers also cause a big gap to appear between two items (between which depends on the width) in the same list. (here). I also tested it with Konqueror, which doesn't have any problems and shows the layout nicely. As for the other browsers, I think it depends on the resolution of your screen. (I'm using 1280 x 1024). It's perfectly fine for you to revert if you want (IMHO your version was better content-wise due to the TOC being near the top and the Itsukushima shrine picture being bigger). It's just that I feel it might be a problem not just with my environment. - Tangotango 01:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...I use both with wider resolution than 1000, and they appear correctly. My guess is the rendering engine in your version of Linux and/or the browser is causing some problems. (To everyone else) Did anyone else have this problem with the previous layout? If so, we can leave it as it is now. Otherwise, I'll revert it as I think the previous layout was more interesting and dynamic. --日本穣 07:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Image source needed

Anyone know the source of this image? It's scheduled for deletion. --日本穣 21:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to mention the article it's from: Tokugawa_Ieyasu (the diff is here: [1]). --日本穣 21:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

No source yet, but I found the following hint "Folding screens (formerly Meihin) - This site links to the Osaka Castle museum. Check out the battle screen paintings of Tennoji, Shizugatake, Nagashino, and Nagakute" at this site [2]. I'll see what I can dig up. --imars 05:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Found another link that suggested the Nagoya Tokugawa Museum, their website did not indicate that particular screen painting. --imars 06:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Opinions needed

Please pop in and give an opinion on the recent edits on the Hentai page. We really do need some further opinions in the discussion, so please come offer your opinion on the debate. Here's a link directly to the topic at hand. Thanks! (^_^) --日本穣 22:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration

Attn: Japan has been nominated for the Good Article Collaboration of the week you are all invited to support it.

Template:Japan article

Umm, what happened to avoiding self references?  ;-)

It's a clever enough way of dealing with project pages, but this really shouldn't be used on actual articles. Kirill Lokshin 01:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

This issue has been handled. I clarified on the main page when that should be used. Thanks for pointing that out. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 07:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

On being part of WikiProject Japan

Hi. I notice that the talk page of the crappy article on "Issei Suda" (i.e. Suda Issei) says that it's part of WikiProject Japan. (Since I am responsible for the article and its crappiness, I'm wonderfully free of constraints on what I may say about it.) Earlier, I noticed the same addition to the talk page of another article I created, the mediocre Ina Nobuo Award, and I surprisedly commented on this. 日本穣 responded most courteously and amicably about the article and my own contributions to WP (see Talk:Ina Nobuo Award), but I still find it puzzling. After all, the template says: This article is part of WikiProject Japan (my emphasis), while 日本穣 explained that WikiProject Japan covers any Japan-related article on Wikipedia (again my emphasis). If any article related to Japan may be part of WikiProject Japan, why not have the template say so? As it is, the template seems to me to give the wrong impression that the articles to which it is attached have somehow benefitted from WikiProject Japan cooperation or other input. Not only is this not so but it may reflect badly on WikiProject Japan, which I'd hope would be capable of better work than Issei Suda.

Actually the template seems to me to be a mere advert. There's nothing necessarily wrong with this, but I recommend candor. How about something along the lines of "If this article interests you, you may like to look at WikiProject Japan"? A different template could be used for a good article that genuinely did come from WikiProject Japan–related collaboration. -- Hoary 06:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I've revised the test in the template. How's that? (see the top of this page) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 06:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I read: This article is part of WikiProject Japan. Why not Every article related to Japan is part of WikiProject Japan? -- Hoary 06:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Because the template is there to indicate that particular article is part of the project. There are some articles that fall under descendant projects that don't (and shouldn't) have this template, and any that I run across that should, I add the template to. The project isn't that big yet, so it will be a while before we hunt down all of the Japan-related articles and put the appropriate project tag on them. Feel free to help if you wish. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 02:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you know what a WikiProject is? In all reality, it's just an idea. By being apart of the article, you are also apart of the idea, and apart of the WikiProject. There is no real membership or anything like that. Not only that, but advertising a WikiProject is encouraged by Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:WikiProject/Best practices#How to attract contributors (Advertise!)). By making a WikiProject, Wikipedians are setting aside a place where they can put ideas and suggestions that apply to a group of articles. There is no issue of ownership or claim of contribution. You do not own the article, WP:Japan does not own the article, no one owns it. This is explained in the WikiProject link found on nearly every WikiProject page. Thus it is not nessesary to expain every aspect of a WikiProject on every possible place, such as the talkpage notice. -- Ned Scott 07:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Broadly, I agree with what you say. In particular, I agree that nobody owns the articles. (Certainly I don't own Issei Suda.) I've nothing against the advertisement (e.g. on Talk:Issei Suda) of this WikiProject. But putting aside the informativeness of the advert, do you think it's an effective advert? On Talk:Issei Suda, I think it might better read: This article could be improved. Come over to WikiProject Japan to see how we're working toward the improvement of Japan-related articles such as — and a list of good articles that have actually benefitted from WikiProject Japan. (I note successful FACs.) -- Hoary 07:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we can make a more specific {{WPJapan needs work}} template that would cover this. However, there are already a lot of templates that exist that could be used for this. Instead of creating another one, we should try to use the ones that already exist unless we can't find one that applies. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 02:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[Bouncing back to the left in order to save space.] Good idea, but the trouble with the Issei Suda article (as I see it) is utter mediocrity. One would need a template saying something like "This feeble article seems to have been created merely in order to change a red link to blue, to populate a category, or to inflate the first writer's list of 'articles started'. It's the kind of Wikipedia article that makes Britannica look exciting in comparison. Can't anyone reading this do any better?" Being thick-skinned, I wouldn't mind that; others in my place might (and could claim that it breached WP:NPA). Hmm . . . how about a single template that says more or less what the existing one says, but also links (directly or otherwise) to some good articles related to Japan? -- Hoary 03:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

If you are interested in improving this article, you may also wish to join WikiProject Japan, a project to improve all Japan-related articles. etc, etc. I don't have a problem with the original wording, but this is my stab at an alternative. If it helps the creative process, then great! (^.^) Neier 04:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Looking at Wikipedia:Template messages/Talk namespace#WikiProject notices, this doesn't seem like an issue... -- Ned Scott 04:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think it's fine the way it is now. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 08:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation

Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 06:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the list! :) Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 05:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

RfC at Lolicon

A Request for Comment has been filed for the article Lolicon. Since this article is tagged as part of WikiProject Japan, I thought the members might want to know of this. The RfC reads:

• Talk:Lolicon - Should the link to the Renchan Lolicon Community (Note: viewing images at this site may be illegal in your jurisdiction) be kept in the article, or deleted? The site in question contains drawings of very young children naked, in suggestive poses, and/or engaged in sex.

Herostratus 07:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

No need to use shock images. There are plently of lolicon images that ilustrates the art w/o violating "the law". --Cat out 21:16, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

check

Check the credibility comment on the article about Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and someone please answer or correct mistake. Thank You —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.32.112.217 (talk • contribs) .

I replied there. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 00:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)