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[edit] Bilateral relations maps

Since I've been asked before I figured I should drop a line here about how to make the Bilateral relations maps

All you need is a texteditor which can handle large textfiles (without adding junk code) e.g. Word Pad and the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2-code of the countries. If you then save Image:Germany Japan Locator.svg to your computer (need to save the actual file not the png thumbnail) and open it in your text editor you should see a two lines (84 lines down) which say

  .jp { fill: #e3801c; }      /* Japan */
  .de { fill: #3c9d3c; }      /* Germany */

you then replace then replace "jp" by the isocode of the country you want in orange, and "de" by the iso of the country you want in green. Save the file under the new name and upload using a similar information layout to that on the Image:Germany Japan Locator.svg image page.

Some countries such as the UK and France are slightly tricker since they involve dependent territories (such as Reunion and Isle of Man) with their own ISO codes. For most countries it should be quite straight forward though. If you have any questions just drop a line on my talk page her or on Commons. /Lokal_Profil 19:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Cunning :-) - it's probably better if you leave a note on the template page rather than here. Just as a comment, having just created a map for Italy - Holy See, is orange and green the best colour combination? I imagine that it would be a really horrible combination for someone who was red-green colourblind. And for the smaller/island countries, having at least one "harder" colour might improve visibility on the map. FlagSteward (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Copied the above to the template page. Colour selection might not be the best, also the way that maps are entered into the template is broken, would be best to have a bot replace any "{{{2}}} {{{3}}} Locator.{{{filetype|png}}}" with the "map=" parameter. As it is now if any image gets replaced on Commons it will break the template here. /Lokal_Profil 15:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What templates should be used on the biography articles for ambassadors?

The options are:

  1. {{Infobox Ambassador}}, an Infobox that goes at the top of the article with basic biographical information, the same as the one that is used for elected politicians. Can be used with all the build-in sucession boxes that that template contains filled out or left blank.
  2. {{s-dip}}, the bottom of the page Sucession Boxes, often used wtih inherited or appointed titles.
  3. Create custom Navboxes, such as {{CA-Ambassadors to the United States}} for each office. This is also often used for elected politicians.

For an example using a diplomat that held as least 5 ambassadorial post (plus was a UN Special Envoy), see Talk:Raymond Chrétien. We can't use all three, can we? --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 20:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category and / or article for "traveling" missions or embassies

Where do we classify traveling or temporary missions or embassies such as:

Any thoughts? --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 21:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest possibly Category:Diplomatic missions by country using whichever country is appropriate. Thus Grand Embassy of Peter I could go in Category:Diplomatic missions of Russia. Otherwise they should probably be linked and categorized along with the relevant history articles. They are primarily a historical phenomenon, as you don't really have traveling missions in modern international relations. At least that would be my thought... --JayHenry (talk) 03:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Not exactly travelling missions, but maybe travelling ambassadors(or rowing?), if that is the term in English? I know for sure the former PM of Hungary Péter Medgyessy was employed as such (though now he has been sacked).--Dami (talk) 22:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
These days most diplomatic missions are fixed although you can have one ambassador accredited to more than one country (usually a nearby country - the first US ambassadors to India were also accredited to Nepal but did not live there for example). The US also has ambassadors at large but they are not accredited to any specific country. As for the historical items I leave that to you, the thoughts of JayHenry are fine as far as cats. Mikebar (talk) 06:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
This is true but there are many "special envoys" and the like who do shuttle diplomacy (e.g. visiting Israel, Egypt, and Palestine). --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 16:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Divorcing diplomatic missions from their buildings.

It has become increasingly clear to me that WP has done a poor job covering the history of diplomatic missions. Partly, I belive, this is due to poor standards and naming converntions, which allow for a confusion between the history of one country's missions to another and the history of a particular building.

Recently I separated Canada House and Macdonald House from the High Commission of Canada in London. I did this for the very good reason that Canada's mission occupies two different buildings in London and each has its own history. Canada House was once home the the Royal College of Surgeons, and Macdonald House is the former American Embassy. Cleary America's mission's history includes Macdonlad House as well.

If you take a look at Category:Embassies and High Commissions in Ottawa, you will see how those articles are heavily weighted in favour of the architecture and histories of the buildings in question and not the missions. These articles should be renamed and re-purposed to make it clear they are about the buildings only. By contrast if you think about Category:Embassies in Berlin most of those embassies in very new. For most of the last 50 years all most of the embassies in Germany were in Bonn. A history of the US or UK mission to Germany should take that into account and not focus on the current building in Berlin. An article about a building, like Nordic Embassies Berlin, serves a differnet purpose.

My proposal is to change our naming converntion to Mission of Country X to County Y'. (e.g. Embassy of the United States to France, High Commision of Australia to South Africa. etc.), and focus them more narrowly on diplomatic history. If a building is notable enough it can have a seperate article for architectural history under a different title (e.g. Australia House, Stadacona Hall, etc.) --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 17:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The articles should cover the buildings themselves, their architecture, history, notable events etc. Anything related to diplomatic history should in the appropriate diplomatic relations article. For example, details of Britain's relations with Germany would go in Anglo-German relations , not Embassy of Germany in London. It is simpler to find articles using a consistent naming format, but I would support linking pages from the names of famous buildings (like Stadacona Hall).
Your proposal Mission of Country X to County Y' (I assume you mean country, not county) would preclude consulates. Kransky (talk) 02:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Well currently if you go to Embassy of the United States in Berlin, it gives you a history of all American missions to German states from 1797, and not just the current building. If we don't change the naming convertions thise type of thing seems reasonable to editors and they will continue to work in that same way. Consulates are not notable (without the proper sources). --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 01:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I just went to Embassy of the United States in Berlin. The bulk of the article covers all the American embassy sites it has ever occuped in Berlin (before being closed down/bombed etc). It doesn't cover anything substantive about missions outside Berlin. Kransky (talk) 07:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] United Nations geoscheme for embassy listings

We should categorize lists of embassies by the United Nations geoscheme - that way we can have an accepted practice of categorizing embassies. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Embassy stubs I created and tagged with your project...more to come

Embassy of the Republic of Macedonia in Washington, D.C., Embassy of Albania in Washington, D.C., Embassy of Senegal in Washington, D.C., Embassy of Colombia in Washington, D.C., Embassy of Portugal in Washington, D.C., Embassy of Mali in Washington, D.C.


African Diplomatic Corps is a group of 53 African ambassadors to the U.S. APK yada yada 05:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)