Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Historical Hungarian counties
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Please consider adapting this to fit within framework of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical States and it's descendant project Austria Hungary Bwood 05:19, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Most of the discussion (and work) about this is at Talk:List of historic counties of Hungary. --Joy [shallot] 11:15, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] To do list
make a simple template for county articlesdistrict tables (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical Hungarian counties/Districts)donemaps (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical Hungarian counties/Maps)infobox (see below)- what to do with pre-1867 counties
[edit] Sources of information
- Population data per county, every decade
- Gazetteers of 1882 and 1913, with county and district info
- 1913 county maps with districts, area, population
- county maps, I think the Gönczy maps are from around 1896
- 1939 map
[edit] Circles/Lands
According to Administrative divisions of the Kingdom of Hungary the kingdom was divided into 7 circles or lands (is the Hungarian name for this subdivision vidék?) in 1876. These are (someone please check the Hungarian names):
- Danube right bank, Duna jobb partja
- Danube left bank, Duna bal partja
- between Danube and Tisza, Duna-Tisza köze
- Tisza right bank, Tisza jobb partja
- Tisza left bank, Tisza bal partja
- between Tisza and Mureş, Tisza-Maros szöge
- Transylvania, Királyhágón túl
Besides these 7, there were Fiume/Rijeka and Croatia-Slavonia (Horvát-Szlavonország). I think the lands Alföld, Délvidék, Dunántúl, Felvidék and Erdély are an older division. Markussep 1 July 2005 08:29 (UTC)
You should forget these "circles", they were just statistical regions (statisztikai beosztás) and had no other meaning whatsoever. As far as I know, actually there is no Hungarian name for them, they were simly called "A duna jobb partja" etc. . In addition, the older division was different (Dunántúl (=Districtus Trans-Danubianus), Dunáninnen, Tiszántúl, Tiszáninnen). Juro 4 July 2005 12:34 (UTC)
[edit] Kingdom of Hungary counties that still exist in present Hungary
Presently, for all Kingdom of Hungary counties that still exist in present Hungary, the present and historic county are treated in the same article, except Baranya. We should have some discussion about that, whether to split up all these articles, or to merge the two Baranya counties. Also, there's quite much overlap between Baranya (region) and Baranya (historic county), it's exactly the same area AFAIK and the history of the area is in both articles.
The specific counties are: Baranya, Békés, Csongrád, Fejér, Heves, Nógrád, Somogy, Tolna, Vas, Veszprém and Zala. Markussep 10:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I do not know is it better to join two Baranya county articles into one, but Baranya (region) should have its own article. This article is about geographical region named Baranya/Baranja, which is politically divided between Hungary and Croatia. Baranya county of Hungary as well as Osijek-Baranja county of Croatia are administrative divisions located in Baranya/Baranja region. To conclude: article about Baranya county is article about one administrative division, not about geographical region, thus these two things are not the same. One more important thing: if you see what were the borders of original Baranya county from the 13th century, you will notice that its borders were very different than the borders of Baranya region or borders of Baranya county from the 19th century. Also, the southern (Croatian) part of Baranya region have its own separate history after 1918, and it is treated as geographical region by Croats and Serbs. Even in 1848, Baranya was treated by Serbs as geographical region, not as county. User:PANONIAN
Just to say that articles about Baranja on Serbian and Croatian Wikipedia speak about Baranya region, not about Baranya county. Croatian article even speak only about southern Baranya, which is located in Croatia. User:PANONIAN
[edit] Hungarian or Slovak/Romanian/Croatian/Ukrainian/Serbian names
A discussion has started on Talk:Administrative divisions of the Kingdom of Hungary about what names to use for the county articles. See there. Markussep 09:47, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject Hungary discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals
- Description
- an expansion of the now-inactive and very small-scoped Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical Hungarian counties, using the original framework but expanding to include other things in this populous and unique European nation. There is an existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Hungarian culture, the national project would seek to cover other topics-politics, biography, flora and fauna... Chris 08:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
