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[edit] Eric Mittelmann?
Why are there two Ol' Dirty Bastard articles on this site? Eric Mittelmann should be deleted.SameAsItEverWas 22:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Color coding rapper Navboxes
I have begun to color code a lot of rapper navboxes (some of which include the Navboxes of 50 Cent, T.I., Lil Wayne, Akon, D12, etc.) by adding | titlestyle = background:#00008B; below the "name" and "title" part of the rapper navboxes that use Template:Navbox music (I'm also doing my best to convert a lot of navboxes to "Navbox music" as well). I'm color coding the header based on the music genre (on the [[hip hop music] article, the color on the Template:Hiphopgenrebox banners are "darkblue, so I'm coloring them by that). I'm just wondering if I could get a little help in doing so (as well as converting Navboxes). Thanks ahead of time. The Chronic 05:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] African American culture
I think we all know that by now Hip Hop is international. But the roots of Hip Hop are strongly related to (though not the same things as!) African American culture Despite this the article on African American culture hardly mentions Hip Hop at all with respect to fashion, music and art. Can some of the Hip Hop experts help out this with this weeks article improvement drive for African American culture, by adding some good sourced info on Hip Hop to the article? I'd do it myself, but my knowledge is limited and I was not able to find any sources.
I just think that it should be mentioned, and in a way that makes it clear that Hip Hop and African American culture are NOT the same thing, but that for many people Hip Hop is a big part of our culture. Who can help me out? Here, let me link it again for you: African American culture <<-- go there. futurebird 14:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Track listings
I've seen the "track listing" sections of certain hip hop album articles formatted like this, with the tracks in boxed form, and other albums formatted in the same way as non-hip hop albums, without the box. What is the correct way to format track listing sections? (72.153.217.59 22:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC))
- Both are acceptable, per WP:ALBUM#Track listing. Use a table only if there the track listing section contains additional info besides track number, track name, songwriting credits and track length (which should always be present). --PEJL 05:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Articles for deletion (AFD)
similar to the PROD section above, here's some current hip-hop related AFDs you can contribute an opinion on.
- October 18: Pumpkinhead, Orange Moon Over Brooklyn.
cheers. tomasz. 10:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Help!
- Thanksgiving Week:
Could somebody come over to this AfD discussion and save this article? I had just created the article LL Cool J - Kool Moe Dee battle this past week, and I knew something was up when FOUR MINUTES after I first posted it, it was tagged for deletion! So the debate has gone on, and the person who tagged it (a bit of a delete freak I can see from complaints on his page) insists it is all "interpretation", "innuendo" and "rumor". All I do is chronicle the series of dis records the to made against each other, with some brief quotes, a reference from FOUNDATION, MTV, ohhla, and several other links which they reject because they are from blogs, (I see most references from these types of articles are), or some other bogus reasons. I keep saying it was a lyrical battle, so I don't know what kind of "sources" they want! So now, he says this should only be a brief reference in the articles of the rappers. (And I notice the LL Cool J article also has no mention of the battle; though a long time ago, it once did). I thought it funny that this, one of the most popular battles in hip hop history, would not have an article like all the others. So what was even more odd, is that there had apparently been an article called "LL Cool J vs Kool Moe Dee", which you can find on mirror sites, but is long gone from here. It seems like someone doesn't want there to be an article on this battle. Nobody's scrutinizing the other articles in hip hop rivalries like this. Eric B (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Feuds
Should these sections remain? I am looking at the Lil Wayne article and the feuds seem to take up unnecessary room. There is also a tag that says they may be unencyclopedic. --WheezyF 15:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] T-Rock
T-Rock is currently under deletion review. Here is the discussion. T Rex | talk 19:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Eminem
Yo, so Eminem and Eminem discography have been pretty stable for a good while, how about we improve quality of the articles? The discography is in awful condition. Someone needs so find reliable sources for CD sales, and format the lists correctly. Thanks. Daniil Maslyuk 06:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Damon Bryson
The Damon Bryson needs help in the debate to stay alive. Thanks--DerRichter (talk) 13:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jae Millz
The Jae Millz article reads like a press release and needs to be heavily revised. Jamiem (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Suspicious contributions
Quote from Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard#Help with serial hoaxer.2Fspammer:
Help with serial hoaxer/spammer
I've indefinitely blocked Brrwawall (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) & sockpuppet Reww (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). I am not familiar enough with hip-hop to know what information added is incorrect, but these accounts have a history of creating hoaxish/spamish content that should be reviewed. Thanks, — Scientizzle 16:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I hope you can deal with this, as needed. -- Pepve (talk) 20:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Has the very biased version of the article on Gangsta Rap been fixed yet? wiki_is_unique (talk) 14:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I have another question, why is it that people who have no understanding of hip hop or rap go on articles to try and have "critism" sections (which are overgrown essays on why they hate hip hop) and then in the ARTICLES themselves try to edit it with biased additions? wiki_is_unique (talk) 13:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- I've been consistently removing stuff for a few weeks, while trying to leave content that more experienced editors can source. However, it does get tiring, especially when the same/similar info just keeps being added back in mass and volume and to a bunch of other (or newly created) articles. Feel free to look at my contribs; each article I've edited probably has a dozen more articles related by edit or editor.
- Based on my limited experience, I don't get the feeling of a hoax; the edits just looked like persistent, consistent corporate-esque spam by a few long-term accounts and a bunch of incented/encouraged volunteers/fans/paid-by-the-pound spammers who work by specific instruction, in mass and at altitudes that don't trigger annoyance, controversy, attention or willingness to intervene.
- But it's a shame that legitimate articles are suffering. DJ Drama, for instance, is the subject of legitimate press articles (I added a few as external links as my time was limited), and is part of a pretty interesting and controversial music area, yet the history of the article is basically back and forth edits about unsourced and insignificant info nn links and album gossip.Flowanda | Talk 02:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Esther Baxter
Can anyone find a free image for Esther Baxter? appreciate it. And note that Wikipedia is not censored.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Success - N - Effect
Can anyone help expand this article?--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hip hop fashion photos needed
The hip hop fashion article desperately needs photos of old school hip hop fashion - like 1980s or earlier, even the 1990s I don't think we have a picture of. If anyone could dig out some pictures of themselves or their friends from that time period, it would be great. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Requests page
I'm curious to know what this Wikiproject thinks about the page Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Hip hop. Do you use it? Is it worth having a separate page just for hip hop, or should the artists be trimmed of promotional requests and integrated into the performers page? Chubbles (talk) 08:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hello everyone...
...roll call. This project was recently tagged inactive, for good reason if you ask me. This topic is too important not to have a dedicated project for improving its articles, especially with its vast broadness, the amount it's written about here, and the poor state of many of the articles. So who's still here? tomasz. 22:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- Given the state of most hip hop articles in Wikipedia, even (especially?) the most important ones, it might be advisable to let sleeping dogs lie, as far as old members are concerned. 86.44.17.45 (talk) 04:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject hip hop: Articles of unclear notability
Hello,
there are currently 26 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)
I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.
If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Chronic Peer Review
It says on the Peer Review page that I should ask around WikiProjects for people to help out reviewing the article. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- For a start, you should back up everything sourced from allmusic with another source just on general principles, even though Huey is pretty much on point here (about Snoop in particular). They are, um ... eccentric ... in their hip hop coverage. I wish they were banned from hip hop articles, frankly. Why they can get specialists to write knowledgeably about niche metal genres and yet trust their hip hop coverage to dilettantes is beyond me.
- The rapcentral piece is good, but unsigned, as far as I could see, and you need to rewrite bits of it that you've used in your own words a bit more, I think. Also I dispute believed by some to be the best produced hip-hop album of all time, I've never read anyone say that outside of the rapcentral piece and they don't offer that opinion themselves, so who? Isn't there anything about the sheer amount of guests on this album? And isn't there a lot that has been said about Lady of Rage's contribution, particularly her verse on "Lyrical Gangbang", ferocious female given a platform vs. misogyny charges elsewhere sort of thing? Perhaps not, but hmm. The Beastie Boys are a bad example of pre-92 party music type stuff for various reasons (including this), and indeed the cite (allmusic again aargh!) doesn't back it up too well. Why not use, say, Kid 'n Play, Heavy D, or DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince?[1]
- ^ Bakari Kitwana,"The Cotton Club", Village Voice, June 21 2005.
86.44.17.45 (talk) 05:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Peer review - Dr. Dre
As some editors might have observed, I have contributed to the improvement of the Dr. Dre article from fall 2007 to just near a month ago, and I've opened a peer review for the article so that we can improve it to reach Good Article status - feature I'm not sure since there's no "free' images for Dre available online for wikipedia to use. Any help/feedback can be appreciated. Thanks! --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 03:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Requiring your attention on Hip hop articles
Please pay attention to Talk:Hip_hop_music#Rename, poll, as well as Talk:Rapping#Merge, poll and Talk:Hip_hop_music#Merge, poll. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fix multiple hip-hop general pages
I'm just becoming active in the hip hop project, so feel free to refer me to the archives. Can we get together and do something about this ridiculous situation of repetitive pages (hip hop, hip hop music, hip hop music, rap music, rapping)? Why not rely on disambiguation tags at the top of articles? "Rap music" and "Hip Hop (music)" can go to the same page (I would support "Hip Hop (music)" to keep it expansive). Then "Hip Hop culture" and "rapping (technique)" can be separate. Let me know if I can help in cleaning up and organizing these pages. --Junius49 (talk) 22:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, disregard some of my above comments. Rap music is redirected to Hip hop music -- and rap redirect to rapping. That's great, but why two pages for Hip hop, which is mostly about the music, and Hip hop music? I've proposed a merge. --Junius49 (talk) 22:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Featured article candidate alert
Insane Clown Posse is a current featured article candidate. Users may wish to contribute to the discussion viewable at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Insane Clown Posse. ~ Eóin (talk) 04:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- It looks like it failed as well as Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Doggystyle. ~ Eóin (talk) 18:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
