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Hinduism Featured Article--Vote!

Hinduism has been nominated as a featured article. Vote here: [[1]]

Temple pictures

If possible, please someone upload good quality major temple pictures like Akshardham (Delhi) and Tirupati with proper Licensing. These pictures are required in many Hinduism, India and religion related articles. Thanks. - Holy Ganga talk 21:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

who's still active here?

?--Dangerous-Boy 17:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm as active as I can be, and perhaps one of only a few. I did some cleanup on the Krishna article when it became the Collaboration of the Week (a few weeks ago). When I asked for help and feedback on several proposed edits to the Kali Yuga article, I received no responses. After a week, I made the changes I proposed. I've also proposed, on the Talk:Yoga page, a merging of the Contemporary Yogis, Yogi, and the yogis listed on Yoga page, into a new article - removing the overlapping lists of yogis on those pages. I would like some more feedback on my proposal here: Talk:Yoga#Notable_Yogis, before I start cutting and merging, but haven't received any yet. So, it doesn't seem that there are (m)any active people here. ॐ Priyanath 03:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
There's voting going at Wikipedia:Hinduism-related Collaboration of the week. Vote for something or nominate another article.--Dangerous-Boy 06:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not as active as I was, but I'll try to improve some stubs about fairly important people after I go to India and come back in August, hopefully with some copies of sacred texts for reference. --Grammatical error 05:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to be as active as possible. Currently focused on Glossary of terms in Hinduism. Trying to make it a FL. GizzaChat © 05:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Attempting to be as active as possible however, work constraints limit my project work. however, theres been a lot of good work done here, Dosey

Fornication

I've recently been updating the article on Fornication, and I'd like to know about the Hindu perspective, which I've left space for. Is it possible for someone here to write a paragraph or two? A J Hay 07:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

more Hinduism stubs

here's the proposal: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2006/June#.7B.7BHindu-text-stub.7D.7D_and_.7B.7BHindu-temple-stubs.7D.7D Please vote!--Dangerous-Boy 18:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Mlechha

FYI, Mlechha was just created and needs cleanup. --Fang Aili talk 19:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hindu philosophy

An observation: We're doing a good job on articles related to popular mythology etc, but IMO ignoring articles related to Hindu Philosophy. Articles like Atman (Hinduism) need to improve a lot. Also, articles on philosophical texts like Viveka Chudamani need a lot of improvement. deeptrivia (talk) 02:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Manavala Mamunigal

Hi, perhaps someone here could have a look at Manavala Mamunigal article? It makes no sense to me... -- Barrylb

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Hinduism

it's going to lose it's status --D-Boy 20:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

think the real problem with the article is that its got a bit too big, fat and lazy for its own good. It's a real shame considering how much work D-Boy and others put in last year. Why is it that none of the other religions seem to have this problem.

I seriously recommend that we look at our piorites, I had a look at the featured articleslist, I was think perhaps it would be more appropiate to diversfy away from just trying to get Hinduism as a featured article. How about History of hinduism? Or Philosphy of hinduism? Major gods. There are so many different areas we can go. I'm not saying lets abandon [[hinduism], as our flagship article, but lets try something else for now, like the Krishna article, which may be more appropiate for us.

Just a thought, please let me know what you guys think!

--Dosey

INCOTW - Ramayana

Ramayana is this week's Indian Colloboration of the Week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Ganeshk (talk) 06:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Mahabharata glossary

After whizzing through the page I saw that it was more than just a glossary on Mahabharat! I think it should be merged into Glossary of terms in Hinduism. Please discuss. GizzaChat © 02:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

merge it!--D-Boy 19:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

UK Hindu Identity is up for deletion!

!--D-Boy 08:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It should be deleted. Hugely POV. Another NPOV page exists called Hinduism in the United Kingdom. GizzaChat © 08:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Goad is up for deletion

WikiProject Sikhism launched

Hi, this may be of interest to some here! Wikipedia:WikiProject Sikhism has just launched. If you're interested in helping, please sign up. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow. it's about time.--D-Boy 04:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hindu Unity

Just a little concerned about the wording on the specific threats section on teh article. Is it appropriate? A pak user was changing it around.--D-Boy 09:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Mỹ Sơn has been translated

Hello. Just a quick note that I have translated this article from the Vietnamese wikipedia after receiving a request from Dangerous-Boy. It was on the to-do list but I have now ticked it off. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thai Poosam Kavady

I've just edited what was a dead-end article Thai Poosam Kavady and I'm wondering whether it should be merged into the main piece on Thaipusam. Seems like something for experts to decide! --Mereda 15:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

could be merged--D-Boy 07:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism in Indonesia

I think we should separate Hindu Revival in Indonesia and Agama Hindu Dharma. Agama Hindu Dharma should concetrate on the philosphical concepts on Balinese Hinduism and Hindu Revival in Indonesia should be renamed to Hinduism in Indonesia and concentrate on the history of hinduism in indonesia and its current influence and position.--D-Boy 07:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Separated the articles.Bakaman Bakatalk 03:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

ShivLing of Makkeshwar

is up for deletion.....BookwormUK 15:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

and so is Islamophobia - cast your vote

Article request

Hello. I have a request for an article - Ragupati Raghav Raja Ram. This is one of the most popular Ram Bhajan's and was also Mahatma's favourite Bhajan. Could someone help me out. It could be modelled on Saare Jahan Se Achcha. I created an article on Pandit Vishnu Digambar Paluskar who has composed the tune to which we sing the Bhajan. Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 07:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm back, I'm back...

For those of you who have no clue who I am, I was one of the two or three original article writers (dare I say the main one) who took the Hinduism article to Featured Status back in 2004 or so. You can look on my profile page (I haven't changed it for years) to see other articles I was involved in, mostly related to Sanatana Dharma. I came back around 6 months later and was devastated. All the hard work I, and a few other stalwarts, had put into the Hinduism article, had been destroyed. Structure and aesthetic appeal of the 'essay,' ravaged. NPOV, gone. Any sense of a logical progression in discussion of topics, avoiding redundancy, wiped out. It was a mess, since demoted. I am reticent about rejoing Wikipedia, as I have since begun working with magazines, authors, and publishers writing my own, copyrighted works. But I feel bad that you guys are working so hard, putting your own stamp on Wikipedia, and I'm not helping out. If anyone has any projects that they'd like me to work on, or to help them out with, contribute to in any way, shape or form, whether in actual writing, or in research, please contact me. I just can't choose one or two articles to work on because there're so many articles I busted my ass on which are f-----d... my work on Dharma, Bhagavad Gita, Rta... shit... tell me what to do and I'll do it. I'm all of yours to command. LordSuryaofShropshire 14:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

If the articles have deteriorated as bad as you say (not checked personally!), you could revert it back to the version some years ago, and then slowly re-add any constructive edits since? Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 14:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0

Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team for Wikipedia 1.0 would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the Hinduism WikiProject article table any articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one (new) for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist like this one automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! Walkerma 04:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism in Afghanistan

Hi,

I just wanted to let you know that an anonymous editor has added "this is not true!!!!!!!!!! Hindus have been every time in Afghanistan. The Hindus in Afghanistan are desedants of Gandhara. Their language is Hindko. Hindko was spoken in Kabul, eastern Afghanistan and in nothen Pakistan. In 13th century Pakhtoon moved from South Afghanitan to eastern Afghanistan." to the article about Hinduism in Afghanistan. I have no idea which version is true, so I just added the {{Dispute}} tag. I hope you guys can fix the article because it doesn't look good the way it is right now.

--CarabinieriTTaallkk 21:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Somebody please watch Hinduism in Afghanistan. It has become a destination for vandals. the correct version is [2]. please restore if somebody changes its contents.nids 22:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
correct version is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_in_Afghanistan&oldid=69175147 nids 22:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Start a WikiProject for Hindu saints?

Considering the plethora of saints and gurus within Hinduism, should we start a WikiProject about them? This would complement the current WikiProject on Hinduism and the current WikiProject on Saints. Any comments would be deeply appreciated. --Siva1979Talk to me 09:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes this is a good idea. There could be a short description consisting of a few sentences for each saint/guru, and then a more detailed linked article for each individual saint. HeBhagawan 18:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Ganesha Chaturthi

Many Subhāśayas on Ganesha Chaturthi to all. Babub→Talk 13:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I have edited Hinduism, I wish someone pl. refine it.

I have edited Hinduism article on 4/10/2006. I wish if, someone can refine my edits as the original article is well worded. I could not add all four branches of Vedas as I remembered only 3 branches while editing.

Swadhyayee 16:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I suggest using a reference when editing; not just your memory.HeBhagawan 15:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism

My edits incorporating facts in article Hinduism have been removed by HeBhagwan. I am not happy at his removal of facts like branches of Vedas when the article is full of plenty of details about Hinduism. I am also not happy on his impression that my English is poor. I had modestly stated on this page yesterday that I would be happy to refine my edits as the article is well worded was met with comments by HeBhagwan that my English is poor.

It would have been appropriate if HeBhagwan would have improved the language if he felt so needed rather than removing facts incorporated by me.

If, no convincing explanation is given for reverting my edits, I will revert the article back to my edits of 4/10/06.

Interested editors pl. help.

Swadhyayee 04:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Raja Yoga controversy

Dear Hinduism Project editors,

There is a controversy on the Hinduism regarding Raja Yoga. Please read the debate on the Hinduism discussion page. Your comments are requested on the Hinduism discussion page to help resolve the controversy. Thank you. HeBhagawan 15:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Yogi

I think that the article on Yogis is not very good and could be much better. --Seadog.M.S 21:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Stubs proposals

{{Hindu-temple-stub}}, {{Hindu-theo-stub}}, {{Hindu-bio-stub}}

Please weigh in at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/October: The Category:Hinduism stubs is quite overpopulated and without a stub save for Category:Hindu mythology stubs. While about a 100-odd articles are difficult to classify (except as miscellaneous), the creation of these 3 stubs would considerably ease the burdens. The creation of a temple-stub would help subcategorize more than 70 stubs about temples, sites of worship, pilgrimage or religious significance. The Hindu theology stub aims to cover articles on (1) scriptures, (2) terms, hymns, ceremonies and (3) theological doctrines. I estimate close to 100 stubs can be fitted into this subcategory. The "Hindu-bio-stub" covers religious personalities, clergy, saints, teachers, etc. At the moment such a stub category can fit close to 70 stubs. It is important to note that over a hundred such stubs can be created in the future, so it does no harm to sanction this new stub - helps pre-empt the burden. Rama's arrow 16:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello WikiProject Hinduism

Would you mind translating this for me?

BOOM BHOLENATH KASINATH KEDARNATH OM NAMAH SHIVAYAH

I believe it is Hindu because of the Om and Shiva... Psychomelodic User:Psychomelodic/me

You are right. It is a salutation to God in the form of Lord Shiva. Shiva is called "lord of the innocent, lord of the holy city of Kashi (now called Varanasi), and lord of Kedar (a place of pilgrimage in the Himalayas). "Boom" is a mystic syllable associated with Shiva. Om is an ancient mystic syllable with many meanings, but it always denotes something holy or spiritual. HeBhagawan 17:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a vote on the section on caste on the Hinduism discussion page. Your vote would be appreciated

BKWSU Raja Yoga versus Classical/Patanjali Raja Yoga

Hi.

I have a problem here delineating what is classically known as Raja Yoga, e.g. Patanjali, Vivekananda etc and the spiritist practises used by the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University which involves meditating on the channelled entity or spirit they call Shiva after the Hindu God, the channelling of so-called "Shiva" through BK adherents, and the use of channelled messages spoken through their founder and current medium as the new "Gita".

Now, it is perfectly clear that what the BKs are teaching is entirely novel and the use of identical terminology is entirely confusing. But how to qualify this on the wiki? Unfortunately the Western academics demanded by other editors - whether sociological or Christian theologists - are entirely unqualified to comment on the differences.

  • Does anyone know if any experienced Hindu academics or yoga specialists have analysed the BKs and their practise?

Thank you. 195.82.106.244 15:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

My approach would be something like this:

The BK are a religious movement, etc. . . . According to BK publications, the BKs believe the following things: _____(cite BK's own publications here). They call their teachings "Raja Yoga, and are based on teachings can be found in ___________________(cite BK publications here for whatever they say they believe). Some outside the BK movement, however, have claimed that the BKs teachings are not actually in accord with what is classical Raja Yoga (cite the sources that have made these claims).

HeBhagawan 16:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

BK is definitely nowhere near a mainstream accepted Hindu org. They are at best "a cult of people with amazingly peculiar worldview".03:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad Faith Attempts to remove Vedic Metal

Some users are trying to remove any mention of Vedic Metal from Wikipedia. Vedic metal was an article which was Afded twice and got deleted twice, mainly because of disinterest from concerned Wikipedians. Currently, it is a sub-section of the article Folk metal and some users are trying to remove it from there as well. Please check these diffs - diff1, diff2.

--NRS | T/M\B 04:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Since it is a form of music (which I must admit I have never heard of), it should be allowed to stay on the page provided its sources are cited. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 05:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC))
I think it should stay. Celtic metal has even less.--D-Boy 07:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk page tagging

My bot has been approved (on a trial basis for now) to tag project talk pages with {{WikiProject Hinduism|class=|importance=}}. I need to know from you guys whether I should tag all articles falling under Category:Hinduism or some subcats need to be excluded? -- Lost(talk) 12:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

To add the child projects such as Hindu mythology, a customised plugin is required which User:Kingboyk makes upon request. However he has been quite busy for the past few months and our request to build the customised plugin for WP India is still pending. Should I simply go ahead and tag all articles with the above tag or would you guys like to request him for the customised plugin? If you want to wait for the customised plugin, then you will need to tell me which sub categories I should exclude for now -- Lost(talk) 13:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead and tag. we can can edit the subtags later.--D-Boy 07:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

religioustolerance dot org

I came across over 700 links to this organization, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The site has a ton of ads but on the other hand, it has content (and a Wikipedia article).

Normally, such an ad-intensive site with so many links gets attention at WikiProject Spam for further investigation. Even if it's not spam, many links may often get deleted as not meeting the external links guideline. I've left a note at WikiProject Spam asking others to look at some of these and see what they think.

Even some non-profit organizations will add dozens of links to Wikipedia since links in Wikipedia are heavily weighted in Google's page ranking systems. (If interested, see the article on Spamdexing for more on this).

You can see all the links by going to this this "Search web links" page. I encourage you to look at Wikipedia's external links guideline then look at the links in the articles you normally watch. Also, if you don't mind, please also weigh in at WikiProject Spam with your opinions. If you see links to pages that you don't think add additional value beyond the content already in an article, feel free to delete them, but please don't go mindlessly deleting dozens of links. (Per WP:EL, links that don't add additional value should be deleted but that doesn't necessarily mean they're "spam").

Thanks for your help and for providing some second opinions. --A. B. 17:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Saints/Godmen section

Is there a possibility of creating a separate section for Hindu saints/godmen who are undeniably a part of Hindu tradition? This would help most of the current articles to be categorised under a special set of rules afforded by the specialised section of the project. Tags and banners would need to be created for this purpose. Hopefully there will be enough consensus to give the green light to creating and expanding this new workgroup? Ekantik 01:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I think of WikiProjects as collaborative enterprises, where editors work together to produce quality articles. I am very concerned about bringing the conflict which has existed with articles such as Sathya Sai Baba into a constructive community. I hope you will understand my concern. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 01:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Just to let everyone here know, the de facto talk page for Wikiproject Hinduism is Talk:Hinduism even though this is the page that should be. It shows how poorly organised the Hinduism editors are! GizzaChat © 04:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I see. Very strange, the link you gave seems even more disorganized than the one I wrote at! Ekantik 17:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you guys should redirect all talk pages to the one most commonly accessed. We have done the same for Wikiproject India -- Lost(talk) 11:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Karma

Many people have already noticed - but the Karma article has got itself in a real mess. It may even be worthwhile someone starting again in a sandbox and a group of people working it up from scratch? Does anyone else agree? Ys, GourangaUK 10:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Tagging of articles

LostBot is now tagging articles under Category:Hinduism and its subcats. I run it for 2-3 hours every night (IST). If you see it making series of irrelevant edits, please let me know on my talk page so that I can rectify the errors. -- Lost(talk) 11:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Some editors feel that tagging of cities such as Madurai with WP Hindu banner may be contentious and tagging with WP Indian cities may be a better option for such articles. I need the opinions of members of this project. You guys need to advise me which cats and subcats I should pick for tagging — Lost(talk) 04:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd take the tag off unless it was a real important pilgrimage site. Any article under the Hinduism cat and it's subcats and stubs should be taggeed.--D-Boy 19:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, anything under the hindu myth cat and its subcats should be tagged with the hindu myth parameters.--D-Boy 22:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The hindu myth parameter requires a special plugin. As I said above, right now I am marking articles with the generic plugin. The new plugin needs to be developed by Kingboyk and he is too busy these days... — Lost(talk) 04:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#Hinduism_Barnstar

help support!--D-Boy 18:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Majapahit Empire

Guys, Wikiproject Indonesia is doing collaboration on Majapahit Empire. It is a Hindu kingdom in the past. Probably you feel interested to contribute there. Thanks~. Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 16:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Navigation Sidebar

Someone have requested a navigation sidebar for WikiProject Hinduism, so I made one for you guys. I re-designed some of the project page accordingly to the sidebar, can you guys check if it's okay?? Thanks! Great page by the way, I love how you guys work together.

I temporally removed the Hinduism Box because it kind of blocks. Can I moved it into a "To do" subpage?

AQu01rius (User • Talk) 19:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Hindu template

Hi

just wanted to flag up the deletion of Template:Hinduism. I did not see the discussion of it and would have disagreed, at the very least request the modification of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion&diff=prev&oldid=91491915#Template:Hinduism

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Template%3AHinduism

" This is a useless template. There are others like template:Hinduism small and others for this purpose. --Madhava 1947 (talk) 10:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC) "

I just mentioned this just because the user Madhava_1947 was pretty much brand new and although Indian a self-avowed aethist and Bright. [3]. I was surprise that this carried as the initial comment was very obviously POV.

Is there another horizontal template? 195.82.106.244 03:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

yes. there is. go to the templates page--D-Boy 07:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Several hours ago I made an absolutely unforgivable error in judgement and posted a horrible demand at [W:INB]. In my statement, I poured salt into open wounds that India is trying desperately to heal from.

I am ashamed and sorrowed by my actions. I insulted the intelligence and compassion of Indians, Hindus, WikiProject India, and Wikipedians in general. By my very action, I've thrown shame on my own faith as well.

My actions were inexcusable. All that I can offer is the horrible shame I feel today. My dearest hope is that, in time, I can rebuild what I have broken through my actions and behavior.

Today, my solace is that I did not do what I had promised, and posted my lapse in faith and judgement here. It's a small solace, however, because many editors very rightly share these two projects.

For these editors, I post an apology here as well. For anyone who has not seen what I wrote, please, please, do not open Pandora's Box.

Sincerely and humbly, NinaEliza 01:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

k--D-Boy 07:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
What is "[W:INB]"?(Ghostexorcist 08:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC))
Indian notice board.--D-Boy 23:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#Hinduism_WikiProject_Award

barnstars are nice.--D-Boy 07:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

For of those of you who are not aware, this is now a discussion over which design should be used for the Hinduism barnstar (there already seems to be consensus that we need the barnstar). The first/original barnstar with the green and white Aum was introduced by User:Srkris. The other two with yellow and red Oms were created by Priyanath. Any input is appreciated. GizzaChat © 10:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

HinduShudra, Shudra123, et al

A user(s) is inserting POV/nonsense in many Hinduism-related articles like Hindu, Kunbi, Maratha etc. After Hindushudra (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) was blocked, it is now Shudra123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) who is vandalising pages. Administrators, please take a look. --NRS | T/M\B 11:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

This is still going on - see [4]. It is not simply confined to this article either. Gouranga(UK) 16:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Atma Jyoti Ashram links in many articles

Hi. I work with WikiProject Spam helping to clean up inappropriate external links.

Atma Jyoti Ashram (http://www.withatmajyoti.org) has over 50 external links scattered around Wikipedia articles.

Here's the list of articles withatmajyoti.org links

I don't know enough about many of the topics to judge the suitability of these links; could someone take a look at the list of articles linked and see what they think? Thanks, --A. B. (talk) 03:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Religious leaders

The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal, and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. Badbilltucker 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi

I noticed that the creators of the articles related to the religion above did not see fit to include it in the Hinduism fold. Is it the opinions of the members of this project that it does qualify as a form of Hinduism, or should it be considered a separate religion entirely? It would be useful for me to know so that I could tag the articles appropriately. Badbilltucker 20:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

in my opnion, it's a sect of Hinduism--D-Boy 11:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

See the discussions under various sectons here - Paul 07:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)