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[edit] Application of the new Highlander Template

Gah! all of them, done by hand, using the following template:


Highlander character


Wow. All of them by hand ! That is awesome. Excellent job ! *hands Arcayne some salve to soothe his aching fingers* Rosenknospe 07:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highlander: The Source character articles

Should any of the new characters deserve an article?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 17:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I should think so, as this is canon, at least, far more canon than any of that animated garbage. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
In that case, who should vonenteer creating the articles (since I have not yet seen the film)?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 19:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure... We dont have much background info on the characters. There was no flashbacks scenes in The Source.. All present day scenes Stormin' Foreman 19:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Surely the characters can be expanded upon?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 20:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I think there is an article for minor characters in the Highlander universe (and if not, there shoulkd be, as this would really be a one-stop shopping solution for a lot of the readers). Why not put it there? If we learn more, the entry for the character will expand into its own article, if the new information is 3-D enough to warrant its own article. Honestly, I think that might be a better solution, as a weak, stand-alone article is ripe for beheading...er, deletion, I mean. ;) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
You are correct Arcayne. That list is here. Stormin' Foreman 21:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
There are also List of Highlander Books Minor Immortals, List of Highlander Immortals, List of Highlander Watchers and List of Highlander series minor Immortals if you feel in the mood of killing cruft. By the way Arcayne, you archived our discussion but you forgot to answer the question I asked last Friday, do you care to do it now ? Thanks. Rosenknospe 17:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I added the characters in the film list and am removing the character list in the film, Okay?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 20:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I had completely forgotten the question, and had to look at the archives for a reminder. Here was the post in question:
Could you point me to some sources for the words and descriptions of being found ? Especially for Connor, because I said in Immortal (Highlander) that he's never said to be a foundling, so if I messed up, I need a source. I must admit I find it hard to ignore the "I/He was born four hundred years ago in the Highlands of Scotland" that begin each episode, or the Watcher chronicle of every Immortal beginning with "Born". I mean, if it's their words, why don't we use them ? On the other hand, to be born and to be found don't exclude each other, so I guess my line of thinking it that they are born first and then found, while yours is that we don't know what happens first, and then they're found. Am I right ? Rosenknospe 15:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Again, sorry for not answering this when asked. I was dealing with a big bag of crazy in another article at the time, and got sidetracked.
To answer your question, I think that Duncan (and others) are very like human babies in that they don't remember their births or origins, and are given the info from those who find and take them in. Some will claim to be their parents and some will simply parent them, letting them know they were foundlings. In each instance in the series and films where the topic comes up, they are foundlings (in one episode, it was suggested that they were changelings, left by the elves, which only convolutes the origins all the more). Since Watchers don't watch everyone, and concentrate on those Immorals who begin taking heads, they cannot speak with certainty as to whether immortals are born, found, or carved out of wood by a very tired Gepetto. Who knows? Pinocchio or Jesus might just be Immortals themselves. lol. Seriously, they assume that because they look human, they must be born the regular way., However, they cannot have children, so Immortal babies don't come from Immoprtal parents. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
That's okay :D I think Gepetto did quite a good job with Duncan, even if he was tired. :D Rosenknospe 11:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I just saw the film last night - what an utter pile of rubbish. While not quite as bad as Highlander 2 (and really, only those Batman films done by Schumacher deserve that distinction), it was an eye-rolling example of style over substance. It was like Highlander was crossed with The Fountain and any direct to DVD apocalyptic dredge. And the Guardian - gosh, do all European actors chew the scenery and ham up their lines as much as the actor did?
this movie was the entertainment equivalent of Taco Bell - eat it, and pray that you don't catch anything before it passes through you. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't agree more. I've seen both versions and both should have been completely, re-written and re-filmed. The DVD version of Endgame was actually really good and the Celtic score was a beautiful touch. It took from the best elements of the TV series and went from there... yes it did have its problems and could have done with the TV series writers putting the finishing touches on the script but it was still very good... This one was horrid from beginning to end... And don't get me started on the soundtrack <<yuck>> -- UKPhoenix79 07:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
We are talking about Source, not Endgame (which was particularly vile in its own speacial way - and solid evidence that Panzer/Davis have long since surrendered the right to operate anything more complicated than a pudding cup and spork) For me, a little bit of my soul died when the Guardian starts badly singing Queen tunes from the first movie. Some in-jokes are truly kneecapping offenses. This guardian guy apparenlty is up on all pop cuclture, despite the fact that he spends all of his time living in an interstellar litter box. Don't even get me started on the short-attention-span editing. Grrr. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 21:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Created (Guardian) Highlander

EDIT: I created Guardian (Highlander). Please help us expand upon it.--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 20:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Image provenance

(cross-posted from the Connor McLeod Article here)

I am a bit concerned that the press photo for the series showing Paul/Lambert

has been licensed as a free image released by the copyholder. A closer look at the uploading indicate it was taken from a MySpace page of someone named "Donut", who I am guessing wasn't closely associated with any aspect of the series aside from watching it on tv. I am afraid this image is facing speedy removal for improper licensing. I am noticing this license side-stepping popping up more and more, but then it could just be due to me learning more about them.

I am thinking we might want to go over all the images (in all the Highlander articles) and make sure of the licensing. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of them are listed at Category:Highlander screenshots. Have a nice day. Rosenknospe 11:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. Wait...most of them? Which ones weren't? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 21:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, actually it was a manner of speaking as I was not sure if all HL screenshots were actually in this category. If all of them are, that's excellent, but I haven't checked ;D Rosenknospe 10:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured list

List of Highlander: The Raven episodes is now a Featured list ! ♫ Dam, dam dam ♪ :D Rosenknospe 11:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Highlander: The Raven episodes is now featured in the Wikipedia Signpost ! Rosenknospe 16:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Something to kick this Project off

We just got tagged as inactive, so in order to keep this place busy I suggest once a month (or week, or whatever) we choose an article to improve (at least to GA status if at all possible) Suggestions? Comments? Feedback? Stormin' Foreman (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I feel Tessa Noel is nearly good enough for GA. It needs a bit more outside references, a good pruning of the citations that are there (I like to have the original text under my eyes until it's time for the final copyediting) and a real good picture because we won't be able to keep the three ones that are there. So if you feel the need ;D Rosenknospe (talk) 17:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline issues

Hi, I just read across the various timeline pages. Apparently their talk pages are all blank, so I put my remark here. These timelines seem to be somewhat incomplete. Specifically, there seem to be very few references to season 3 events. Is this work in progress ? Wefa (talk) 03:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm concerned as to the lack of a Connor timeline. Unless there is some reason I don't see one, I'll get to work on it. Hooper (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Start-of-the-year sweep

Well, as it's time to get back to work and you asked for it ;D Here's something we could do :

I intend to make a massive cleanup on Highlander pages, which is why I bring the discussion here rather than on the particular pages; there are too many of them. I want to make redirects of all articles on immortals that appear only once, be it in a movie or a serie (animated or not). Those redirects would point to a projected List of Highlander characters, of which there is a draft in my sandbox to see and discuss and make better. (Please ;). There those characters would be briefly described.

I list here the pages I feel should be kept :

Everyone else doesn't deserve their own article, in my opinion, because they are non-notable and fail WP:NOTABILITY, and because there is no way whatsoever to make GAs from them without sources.

This merge would likewise affect several lists that would also become redirects:

So, guys, what do you think ? I eagerly welcome and await comments, ideas, criticism, etc. Please go ahead. Rosenknospe (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It's been five days... No opposes ? OK, I'm going for it. Rosenknospe (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense. Though wait on Charlie/Maurice/et. al. all the other people that I also agree should be kept. I'll do a source search as well to see if we can make them better as their own article. Hooper (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries, take all the time you need. I'm concentrating on the articles that are not in the list and you won't believe how many of them there are ;D Rosenknospe (talk) 11:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Let me know if you need any help Rosen.  Stormin' Foreman Got something to say? 12:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Foreman, I'm fine. I actually enjoy this, y'know ;D *slashes at another bad-behaving article* Rosenknospe (talk) 16:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Trying to up your Quickening count,"Kell"? :-P (j/k)  Stormin' Foreman Got something to say? 18:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
LOL Rosenknospe (talk) 08:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comics and Game

Several new or still-unmade articles are being worked on. Any help or assesment is valuable. These include the Highlander: The Game article, the two Dyname Ent. Comic Book articles, and once some more information gets released Owen MacLeod, the main character of the game. If he is a MacLeod I'd say he deserves a page. Hooper (talk) 15:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you can find information about how the game designers found him out, developed his character, designed his appearance, and how much money was used in the process, and the public reception, and so on, then yes, he deserves his own page. A good article contains a lot of out-of-universe information. Rosenknospe (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm guessing we won't have enough info till either after the game is out or near it. Best to wait. Hooper (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Also, I hope you won't mind if I remove OwenMacLeod'd redlink from the template until then, but people are currently mistaking him for Colin MacLeod. Rosenknospe (talk) 14:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, go for it. Jumped the gun. I'll have the second comic page up today with good refs and I'll correct the ref on the first one. Hooper (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Now that you mention it though, why doesn't Colin have his own page? Is there a particular reason or is it just one of those no-ones-got-around-to-it things? Hooper (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
In response to myself, I now have in my sandbox User:HooperBandP/Sandbox a possible page for Colin if he is deemed worthy and notable enough. Any assistance is appreciated. Hooper (talk) 19:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'd say the biggest problem is, you haven't any reliable source for your article yet, and to answer your question, that's why I redirected it in the first place. The article was a proposed merge months ago diff. Unless you can prove Colin had an impact on the real world, I'm afraid he won't keep his own page very long. Tell you what, I suggest you work on the Highlander: The Search For Vengeance article, and if you find enough stuff on Colin on your way, you can improve your sandbox article. I admit I don't have much hope, though, but if you can prove me wrong - please do ! Rosenknospe (talk) 09:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah reading thru that merge I see what everyone is saying. I'll keep the sandbox for a while in case I do find stuff but I'd say its about right about just having the one page for the movie and thats all. I'll keep looking though, just cause I got the time to kill. Hooper (talk) 15:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Card Game

Sorry, not much to do at work today so I've been wiki'n away, came across this very rough page: Highlander: The Card Game. Anyone know anything more about the old games? Hooper (talk) 21:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Award

Like I said the other day, nothing to do at work + internet access = way too much time on the ole Wiki. I got to playing around with WikiProject Awards and made this. You guys feel free to alter it and vote for something good so we can then reward those of you who deserve it. The code is located at User:HooperBandP/Sandbox2 if you wish to edit it and make it pretty. Its just very rough and basically a starter layout at moment, so feel free to change the image and rename and reword it and all that. Hooper (talk) 05:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Paducah, Kentucky formed from a mixed settlement of Native Americans and White Settlers along the confluence of the Tennessee River and Ohio River. The town was incorporated in 1830 and chartered as a city in 1856. The city is governed by an elected Mayor is assisted by elected City Commissioners.

[edit] History of the office

The first election to take place under the Act of Incorporation took place in 1857 resulting in the first Mayor of Paducah, Jesse H. Gardner, taking the office. The office has been under direct election since its beginning and each incumbent resides in office for four (previously two) years before the next election.

[edit] Incorporated city

Mayor Term Began Term Ended Political Party
Jesse H. Gardner 1857 1859
John W. Sauner 1859 1863
John G. Fisher 1863 1867
John W. Sauner 1867 1871
Meyer Weil 1871 1875
John G. Fisher 1875 1877
Meyer Weil 1877 1881
Charles Reed 1881 1889
Joseph H. Johnson 1889 1891
David A. Yeiser, Sr. 1891 1897
James M. Lang 1897 1901
David A. Yeiser, Sr. 1902 1907
James P. Smith 1908 1911
Thomas N. Hazelip 1912 1915
Ernest Lackey 1916 1916
Frank N. Burns 1916 1919
F. W. Katterjohn 1920 1924
Jacob N. Bailey 1924 1928
Ernest Lackey 1928 1932
Edward G. Scott 1932 1936
Edgar T. Washburn 1936 1940
Pierce E. Lackey 1940 1944
Wayne C. Seaton 1944 1948
Gene Peak 1948 1949
Stuart Johnston 1949 1952
Robert C. Cherry 1952 1956
George G. Jacobs 1956 1960
Robert C. Cherry 1960 1964
Thomas W. Wilson 1964 1968
Robert C. Cherry 1968 1972
Dolly McNutt 1972 1976
William S. Murphy 1976 1980
John K. Penrod 1980 1984
Joe Viterisi 1984 1988
Gerry B. Montgomery 1988 1996
Albert Jones 1996 2000
William F. Paxton 2000 Present

[edit] Notes


[edit] References

  • The Political Graveyard - Index of Politicians by Office in Paducah
  • [1]

[edit] See also

Mayors Paducah

Unfortunaltly fair use pics can not be used anywhere else but articles themselves. Give me a couple of days and I'll see if I can find a free version of the MacLeod claymore.  Stormin' Foreman Got something to say? 13:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
What about using the clan tartan, as seen on Clan MacLeod? Just a thought. Hooper (talk) 16:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trilogy

I'd say its safe to assume that there won't be a trilogy and the source is stand alone, but you don't assume on wikipedia, so has anyone found anything online discussing this since The Source's release? Hooper (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Highlander (Dynamite Entertainment)

Guys, Highlander (Dynamite Entertainment) is tagged for deletion. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Highlander_(Dynamite_Entertainment). A good way to help our case would be to improve the article, add references, etc... Rosenknospe (talk) 16:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to find information on the two trade paperbacks that were released to furthur the article. But other than the official dynamite site there isn't much other than speculation about before they were released. Just a heads up if anyone else knows anything about it. Hooper (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Start-of-the-year sweep (end)

Okay, I'm done (since last week actually, but what with this AfD and other things... ;). Here are the character articles I've kept, with my comments :

Well then, everyone's up for grabs, you know the drill, it's GA or bust ! Of course you have all the time in the world to do this, and I have updated the to-do list on the main page to highlight the most urgent work. Happy editing ! Rosenknospe (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I love our local Suncoast

They put The Source out a week and a day early. I even was honest and told them, and they still let met buy it. Nothing Wiki-related, just had to tell people who would care. Hooper (talk) 03:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

And to note: DVD was alot different than the SciFi or other region versions. Some for the better, most for the worst. Hooper (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)



[edit] Redirect

Whats with the redirect and deleting some of the original character's pages? I tried to get the page of Sean Burns up from wikipedia and it redirected me to a two line summary of the character. There was tons of other information on Sean and his backstory, I believe. Please fix up and repair the page for sean burns.

67.167.21.138 (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I redirected that article as part of the start-of-the-year sweep (see above) because there was not enough out-of-universe information from reliable third party sources. This includes things like, why was Michael J. Jackson chosen for this role, how did he envision it, what was the function of the character, how was the job made, what did they change, how did they work together, what the audience said about it, did the character have an influence on the series, etc. It is really difficult to find this kind of information for a recurring character and so I couldn't keep the article. Please see Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) for more details. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Misc. Characters

I was reading above about the plight of the minor and misc. characters. I have a question/possible solution about this and didn't know if I should continue on with that discussion or start my own. So, I'm starting my own, but it can be moved. Anyway, I was wondering if Wiki had any size limits (as in, how little content can you have on a subject to qualify it to have it's own article) on articles? If not, then maybe we can decide how to address whether a character gets a full page or just a blip on the "minor characters" page.

My ideas: If there is enough information on a character that warrents more than either 1) two (large, like more than three sentences) paragraphs or 2) we have some background info as well as present day info and misc info (like "lovers", "time line", "fighting styles", "abilities", etc...) then that would warrent an article. If it's anything less then it should be listed on the "minor characters" page.

I just thought this might be a good way to classify who gets what since the Highlander Universe is still (somewhat) active and this would allow characters to be changed as we receive more information on them and also keep some confusion down. Any other suggestions? Selenameeka (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I know wikipedia has a policy, Not Paper, that deals with size issues and what can or can not be included. This idea seems to make sense to me. Hooper (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, there are two problems here. First, article size. There is a technical size limit on articles, which is around 32 Kb because above that it becomes difficult for people on slow connections to load the article. And the bottom limit is vague, but let's say an article is accepted as a stub when it has enough info to prove its notability, and it can be achieved in two or three sentences, for example : "John Doe, born May 9, 1942, is a former fencer who won three Olympic gold medals. He then became a wealthy businessman selling sporting equipment, before setting up a worldwide charity to help disabled people get access to sports." --You get my drift. That would be accepted as a stub (if it was real). I might also add that the limit between a stub and a start-class article is about 1500 words. But, size is not really a problem, actually. If you have information then your article becomes big enough real quickly.
The second problem here is the information. Actually, it is the kind of information and the reliable sources that we can get. It is very important, when writing about fictional characters, to make the distinction between in-universe and out-of-universe information. In-universe means talking about characters as if they were real. ("Connor MacLeod was born in 1518 in the Highlands of Scotland.") Out-of-universe means talking about them from the real world point of view, as characters of a television production. ("The 1986 movie Highlander tells the story of Connor MacLeod, born in 1518 in the Highlands of Scotland.") Wikipedia articles are out-of-universe, meaning they need a lot of out-of-universe information in them, like how the writers created the characters, why this particular actor was cast, did the character change or evolve, what the actor thinks about the character and how they play them, what the producers think, what the audience think, did the character influence the show or even the real world ? (and everything I told the IP fellow above counts, too. It's more or less the same anyway.) Actually, what the character actually does only counts for about a third of the total article. See for example Padmé Amidala, Palpatine and Jabba the Hutt which are all featured articles. And everything must be referenced to reliable sources if you want it to make it to GA. THAT'S the big problem. Information is scarce and reliable sources even more so. (And it's damn frustrating, I might add.)
I'm telling you all this because we had a lot of stubby articles about a lot of characters, and I redirected them all because there was no information available on them. (Sorry if I insist : out-of-universe info.) So there sort of already is a criterion on who gets an article and who not, which is, is there enough material from reliable sources out there for them ? I think it's a good criterion. The whole point of this project is to make good/featured articles. There is no point keeping articles that will never make it to GA. The main, really important policy here is Manual of Style : Writing About Fiction. It encompasses all what I've said and tried to emphasize here. Please take the time to have a look at it and we can discuss this further. Rosenknospe (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, you answer my question, give me advice, and give me good examples all in one! I love you! Haha. Anyway, I'll read over these articles and see how they are set up and try to work on a re-write of Methos and some other articles. Is this okay with everyone? Selenameeka (talk) 18:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Go for it, and if you have more questions, feel free to drop me a line. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another Featured List

Rosenknospe (left) after 29 days of waiting at FLC. A fellow editor (right) stands in line waiting for the result of her own FLC.
Rosenknospe (left) after 29 days of waiting at FLC. A fellow editor (right) stands in line waiting for the result of her own FLC.
Highlander WikiProject members celebrate the success of another FLC. Their meeting is graced by the presence of Methos, who drinks from the biggest beer mug.
Highlander WikiProject members celebrate the success of another FLC. Their meeting is graced by the presence of Methos, who drinks from the biggest beer mug.

After 29 days, 18 hours and 37 minutes of unbearable suspense...

Highlander: The Series (season 1) is a Featured List !

♫ "I'm a man that will go far, fly the moon and reach for the stars" la la la ♪

So what can I tell you... Bring on the beers !

Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 09:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


Amazing work. What list is next? Hooper (talk) 15:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


I'm planning to do season 2, but first I want to make Tessa Noel a GA, and it needs to be knocked into shape. And frankly, see how I look like ? I need some rest ! ;D In the meanwhile, don't be shy, take a seat and join in the fun ! And oh, have a beer, there's plenty in the fridge ;D Rosenknospe (talk) 07:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)