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[edit] Assessing lists
How do we assess lists such as Gallery of French coats of arms. I am somewhat inclined to assess them as Non-article as they will never attain FA status, but then some lists have explanatory text and some lists are incomplete so they do differ in quality... Inge 10:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- A quick look in the A-Z index of articles shows that most Gallery of ... articles relate to flags, which is not helpful in deciding what to do, although there are a couple of galleries of coins which are assessed as Non-Article. Lists can actually be featured, they are treated separately from articles; see WP:FL. Looking at some of the featured lists, a number of the ones which have been assessed are ranked as FA-class. Also, WP:Film has a List-class in its assessment scheme.
- I think assessing Featured Lists as FA-class is sensible (not that we have any yet). As for the rest, a List-class would perhaps be nice, to distinguish these articles, which do have some content, from the templates, disambig pages etc in NA-class. It does mean they are not ranked in quality, but at some point when everything has been assessed (!) I guess we will be going through the different categories (Category:Stub-Class heraldry and vexillology articles, etc), and improving articles, so List-class would just be another category to work through. Dr pda 13:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I propose adding two assessment categories: List-class and Featured list-class. I don't think it is necessary to have all the ratings in between. I was originally leaning towards just a List-class, but since there is a Featured List rating process and everything we should go along with it. I am not against using FA-class either, it saves some work, but lists really aren't articles... Inge 15:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Since the number of unassessed articles is rapidly shrinking I've gone ahead and added a List-class to the template, and created the associated category. Since we don't have any featured lists I haven't implemented that. I would be inclined just to add them to the FA category, after all they are not not-articles (like redirects, templates, categories etc). Dr pda 20:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Agreed. Good work! Is the list class parameter not supported by the statisics bot?Inge 13:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I've written some javascript to add a box with the number of List-class articles to the statistics box. It assumes there are less than 200 articles in the category (there are 85 currently), so that it can just get the number from the Category page. It is currently set to work only on the page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Heraldry_and_vexillology/Assessment. To use this, add
{{subst:js|User:Dr_pda/showlistclass.js}}to your monobook.js. Tested with Firefox/XP. Just tested with IE6, and of course it doesn't work properly :) However the only difference is that IE doesn't show the List box with the correct colour/centering, so I'm just going to leave it. Dr pda 02:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've written some javascript to add a box with the number of List-class articles to the statistics box. It assumes there are less than 200 articles in the category (there are 85 currently), so that it can just get the number from the Category page. It is currently set to work only on the page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Heraldry_and_vexillology/Assessment. To use this, add
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[edit] Question re bots, ratings
What if the bot removed the stub rating from my article? Should I remove the tag myself? Or will it be officially removed? Thanks. --207.10.93.113 14:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC) --Sm8900 16:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm a little confused about what you're asking. Are you talking about Naval heraldry? Looking at the history, it appears that you (or at least someone using the same IP address) accidentally removed the {{WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology}} banner from the talk page (see this diff) then put it back, but without the class=stub parameter (see this diff), which is what removed the stub-class rating. By the way, we're not using a bot to do the assessment for this project; it is done manually (although Mathbot does count up the number of assessed articles every night). I've reassessed the article as Start-class for the time being. --Dr pda 14:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. By the way, I removed the stub only after an entry appeared in the log stating that the stub-class rating had been removed. If you look at the log, you will see an entry for this under OCt. 16, before I made the change. I tried to find another entry for an article which had undergone the same action to see how it works, but it seems that article was the only one listed that way in the log. thanks.--Sm8900 16:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- OK I see what you're talking about now. This happens when an article has been renamed/moved. If you look closely at the log for Oct 16 you see that the first entry says US Navy Ship Seals (the old name, now only a redirect page) has been removed, but if you look further down the list for the same day you will see that the article Naval heraldry (the new name) was added. The rating was not removed from the article. (P.S. Looking at the history for the Naval heraldry article I notice that you have made a large number of small edits in rapid succession. You might like to try using the Show preview button to see the effect of the changes you have made before saving the page. This avoids cluttering up the page history, and makes it easier for other editors to see what has changed between different versions of the article.) --Dr pda 17:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. By the way, I removed the stub only after an entry appeared in the log stating that the stub-class rating had been removed. If you look at the log, you will see an entry for this under OCt. 16, before I made the change. I tried to find another entry for an article which had undergone the same action to see how it works, but it seems that article was the only one listed that way in the log. thanks.--Sm8900 16:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Assessing stubs
Well now all the articles in Category:Flag stubs should be assessed. Only a few (ca4-5) of them were assessed as start in stead of stub. Is anybody working on Category:Heraldry stubs? Inge 12:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I've been working alphabetically through Category:Unassessed heraldry and vexillology articles, skipping any articles I couldn't assess quickly. I'm in the C's at the moment (boy, are there a lot of Polish coat of arms stubs!). It would be nice if some of the many people who expressed an interest in the project could help out with assessments. Dr pda 12:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
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- We will also have to go through all the heraldry stubs as there are no doubt some that don't have the WP:HV tag at all. Inge 10:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I have done all the articles in Category:Heraldry stubs except the Coats of arms. Since you Dr pda have done the C's in Category:Unassessed heraldry and vexillology articles maybe you could take a look at the few not listed there? Inge 20:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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