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[edit] Merger proposal - views sought

A discussion is taking place over whether to merge Flag of the United Kingdom and Union Flag, and which article should be merged into which. (A related discussion is also taking place over the name of the article Union Flag, specifically whether it should be Union Jack.)

View are welcome. --sony-youth^pléigh 02:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of arms

I am dealing with an editor who is adding dubious information to the coat of arms article. Specifically, he is adding information that does not check out with his cited sources. The editor insists on keeping the information in the article. See the article talk page for the odd discussion that has resulted. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coatofarms infobox

Someone's hacked up something nice on Coat of arms of Romania, if that could be used as a standard. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I'll be working on the template. -- I. Pankonin Review me! 09:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom
Image:Image:UK Royal Coat of Arms.svg
Details
Armiger	Elizabeth II
Adopted	1837
Crest	A golden lion, royally crowned and standing on a royal crown; gold and ermine mantling
Escutcheon	Quarterly: England, Scotland, and Ireland
Supporters	A golden lion and a silver unicorn
Other elements	The Garter The Motto: Dieu et mon droit Tudor rose, Shamrock, and Thistle
Earlier versions	see below
Use	On all Acts of Parliament; the cover of all UK passports; various government departments

Documentation to follow in a day or so. -- I. Pankonin Review me! 11:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

A similar box can be seen at Coat of arms of Munich. I'm really not sure if an infobox is necessary for CoA articles. Optional, perhaps, but I would not enforce it as a blanket standard. The same can be said for the flag infobox. - 52 Pickup ^(deal) 15:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of feedback regarding heraldic officers' succession boxes

Please don't make me re-post this message. Waltham, The Duke of 21:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delhi and Mowbray Heralds of Arms Extraordinary...

Hello all—I've left a couple of messages here. Your input would be much appreciated. Thanks! ^talkGiler 14:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reminder of the Philip Greenspun Illustration project

Hi. You may be familiar with the Philip Greenspun Illustration Project. $20,000 has been donated to pay for the creation of high quality diagrams for Wikipedia and its sister projects.

Requests are currently being taken at m:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests and input from members of this project would be very welcome. If you can think of any diagrams (not photos or maps) that would be useful then I encourage you to suggest them at this page. If there is any free content material that would assist in drawing the diagram then it would be great if you could list that, too.

If there are any related (or unrelated) WikiProjects you think might have some suggestions then please pass this request over. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 16:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Heraldry/Web resources

Portal:Heraldry/Web resources is on MfD at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Heraldry/Web resources you may wish to comment there. --Salix alba (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Italian heraldic question

I have come across an Italian crest which is surmounted by a crown with 5 balls. What does this mean under Italian heraldic rules please? It seems to be the crest of Francesco Ognibene of Palermo. It could be described as a lion on its hind legs facing right and holding fleur-de-lys (or 3 feathers) in its right paw, on a field azure. Maybe there is a better place for me to ask this. Thank you in advance. CarbonLifeForm (talk) 10:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template talk:Country data Croatia

Please could you help? More on the template talk page. -- Imbris (talk) 00:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template talk:Country data Serbia

National flag of Serbia is still in use. There should not even exist - that file National flag of Serbia 2004-2006.svg because that is not true, the National flag of Serbia is still in use and were used at appropriate historical times listed on the template. See more at Template talk:Country data Serbia -- Imbris (talk) 20:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Replaced. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template talk:Country data Serbian Krajina

False. Completely and Utterly. -- Imbris (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template talk:Country data Yugoslavia

Changes requested at the above template talk page. Please respond and post your comments on the above link. -- Imbris (talk) 01:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Can some user with appropriate powers help us. -- Imbris (talk) 00:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flags of North America proposed for deletion

An article within the scope of this project, Flags of North America, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flags of North America. Thank you. --ScottMainwaring (talk) 08:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ashmole

Elias Ashmole has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

[edit] Category:Flags by year of adoption

I just came across the article Flag of Honduras, which has been added to Category:1866 establishments. I propose creating a separate subcategorisation structure for flags. The parent category would be Category:Flags by year of adoption. The daughter categories would be Category:Flags adopted in foo. Flag of Honduras, for instance, would be added to Category:Flags adopted in 1866, along with Flag of Andorra. Any thoughts? A ecis^Brievenbus 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Not a good idea. If we want to know about adoption dates for flags, we can either make a list or just link to a similar list FOTW has already. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think putting this in a list would be a good idea. There are so many flags, that a list would be unmaintainable and incomprehensible. Categorising it OTOH would allow us to present a large amount of information in an understandable way. A ecis^Brievenbus 12:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This is problematic. Information presented in this way would be extremely oversimplified. There are many cases where a single year of adoption would be not only hard to determine, but also fairly controversial. JPD (talk) 01:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

How many flags are adopted in a single year? I expect most categories would have few or no flags, at least for years prior to the 20th century. I agree that a list or series of lists would be a better way to present this information. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a list online already with annotations and things like that, so unless we want to do this, it might not be a good idea. Main questions coming up would be what year do we put the US flag? The original adoption date or when the last modification took legal effect? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The entire idea sounds prone to OR and the bulk of such a list would be controversial. The list you hinted is a case in point;: Denmark is listed with "1625" for the year of adoption which is just completely bizarre. The oldest documented example of the Danish flag is from the 1370s, the oldest disputed example is from 1426 or 1427 and the legendary origin is 1219. Even 1208 has been suggested, but I've never seen any source in Denmark that was even remotely close to 1625. The entry for Norway ignores the 1814 flag. Sweden's "1569" seems very implausible as well and anyways ignores that the Swedes used a banner during the 1523 war with Denmark (the original flag destroyed in 1807) and the Swedish wikipedia mentions an example from the 1550s. The entry for the Faroe Islands states: "1948 recognized by Denmark", well, the Faroese flag was designed in 1919, a different flag was in use in the early 20th century, and common use definitely predates 1948. Just to name a few problems that jumped to mind. Valentinian ^{T / C} 14:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image up for deletion

The image Image:Arms-richmond-lb.jpg has been tagged for deletion because the permissions for inclusion have not been formatted the way that our image sticklers would like. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll remove the template. The problem was that we have stated it is for fair use regarding this area, but was used in an template (which is a no-no). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I was the one who originally uploaded all those English and Welsh coats of arms under a fair use licence, but when that bot went through saying they were all to be deleted, I threw up my hands at the amount of work it would take to keep the bot happy. :/ Marnanel (talk) 14:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of autonomous areas by country is up as a Featured List!

The article, List of autonomous areas by country, is currently up for nomination as a Featured List at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of autonomous areas by country. If you have the time, please vote on the article so that it can be improved if necessarily or promoted if it deserves it. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 16:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Putumayo

Flag of Putumayo

I'm writing this here because nobody will ever see it if I write it on the talk page of the article. Flag of the Department of Putumayo says:

The superior black stripe symbolizes... The middle green stripe symbolizes... The inferior white stripe symbolizes...

Now it looks to me as though the colours are in the wrong order, either in the image or the description or both. Does anyone have any way of knowing one way or the other? I don't speak Spanish, unfortunately. Marnanel (talk) 14:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The image is correct; apparently, the external link in the article has it wrong. Have a look at the official departamento website (no Spanish required, you can see the flag image :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] commons:Image talk:Coat of arms of Ireland.svg

Interesting source for the Coat of arms of Ireland. Visit if desirable. -- Imbris (talk) 22:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Rainman does this alot on the Commons with nearly all images related to arms and flags. It's more noise than actual progress. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please comment at Flag of Singapore's ongoing peer review.

Flag of Singapore's most recent GA nomination was placed on hold on 19 December 2007. Unfortunately, the primary contributor, Jacklee, did not address the issues within the seven-day hold period, so the nomination was failed. We would like to get the article to GA status (and possibly even FA status, so it can be WikiProject Singapore's National Day main page FA); therefore, I filed a peer review, which was archived without receiving any feedback. Could members of this WikiProject comment at the article's ongoing peer review? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 14:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interest SVG site

Using Internet Explorer, SVG files of blazons can be made at this site. Only simple stuff can be made, but I am sure it can be expanded. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 09:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] British Empire and the Union Jack?

Hello.

Can the Union Jack be used to represent the British Empire circa World War II? If not, is there a flag which can be? Oberiko (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

From your comments elsewhere, I see that you are tlaking about Britain and colonies, excluding dominions such as Australia. In this case, the Union Jack is almost certainly an appropriate flag, although I will point out that the phrase "British Empire" may be confusing in that many readers could expect it to include Australia, etc. JPD (talk) 21:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

I have just moved the article about Gibraltar flags from 'Gibraltan Flags' as there is no such word in common usage. The correct term describing something 'of Gibraltar' is Gibraltar - apart from the people who are Gibraltarians however, the flag is of the territory rather than the people.

If someone can further tidy it up and remove that page sorting out any references etc. it would be appreciated. --Gibnews (talk) 11:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old coat of arms drafts

Do you still have a need for the early proposed versions of your coat of arms that included elements copied or traced from the Wikipedia logo? I refer specifically to:

I'm going through Category:CopyrightByWikimedia and I found these. —Random832 (contribs) 17:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The first image is at the Commons. I personally do not need the drafts anymore, but I suggest speaking to the uploader. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of British Empire flags

Is there a list (or need for a list) of historical British Empire flags? Regards Chwyatt (talk) 12:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flag flying days in Norway

I have nominated Flag flying days in Norway as a Featured List. Any comments or opinions are appreciated. The nomination can be found here.Inge (talk) 14:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Canada is in WP:FAC

Flag of Canada is currently in WP:FAC and if anyone is interested in helping out with improving the article by copyediting, that would be great. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 03:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scottish coat of arms

Do we (here a wikipedia) have a picture of the scottish coat of arms (as used today)!?! I have seen this and this already. I would prefer one with out the supporters. Just the 'shield' so to speak! The English equivalent is this. Thanks so much for any help! --Cameron (t|p|c) 14:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The question has been answered elsewhere..thanks anyway! --Cameron (t|p|c) 15:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wessex coat of arms

Does anyone here have the Wessex coat of arms? The page about it does discribe the coat of arms...any talented heraldist out there, willing to take on this project? Thanks so much! --Cameron (t|p|c) 15:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Irish counties' coats of arms

I have created an article List of Irish counties' coats of arms using images which were here on the Wikipedia. Assistance in blazoning them would be greatly appreciated. -- Evertype·✆ 11:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Saxony with an inescutcheon of the United Kingdom

Can someone create an SVG form of arms (and on a lozenge) of Saxony with an inescutcheon of the United Kingdom? This would form the arms of Princes of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (with further British ancestry) as opposed to the reverse. Thanks! Charles 08:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British Royalty#1917 and the inescutcheon of Saxony. --Dr pda (talk) 11:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of largest flags

I wonder if someone can offer some help on reaching a consensus on this article (which personally I think should simply be deleted, but that's another issue).

The question is simply what constitutes a flag. Is an image of a flag painted on a hillside a flag for the purposes of that article?

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Harry the Dog WOOF 16:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Animals in heraldry

Someone recently created a bunch of individual "X in heraldry" articles: boars in heraldry, bears in heraldry, wolves in heraldry, maybe some others. Do we need these? The lion, leopard and eagle have a lot of history and probably make sense as a standalone article, but couldn't we do a better job with charge (heraldry) first? Gimmetrow 21:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)