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[edit] Help needed in Macedon article
A debate has been going on in that article between User:3rdAlcove and myself and User:Ilidio.martins. He insists on:
- Removing the WP:GREECE tag from the discussion page.
- Changing "Hellenistic period of Greek history" to "Hellenistic period of world history"
- Changing the lead sentence from the current "Macedon was the name of a kingdom centered in the northern-most part of ancient Greece, bordered by the kingdom of Epirus to the west and the region of Thrace to the east." to something like "centered in present-day Greek Macedonia and extending west to Albania and north to the Republic of Macedonia". I find this ridiculous and have explained my reasons on Talk:Macedon#Enough_already.
3rdAlcove and I conceded the first two points, hoping it would help reach a compromise, but of course that only led him to insist on the latter even more. However, I feel very strongly that the current form of the lead sentence is both more accurate and appropriate. Any input in helping to achieve a consensus is welcomed. --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Since when it is advisable to remove the template of Wikiproject Greece from articles because of editors who serve nationalistic purposes? The template has already been removed. This is unbelievable and ridiculous!! - Sthenel (talk) 02:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think it would be fine to change Hellenistic period of Greek history to "world history", clearly presenting however, that it would have the meaning of period in world history when the greek civilisation was present and had enormous influence everywhere. Well, removing the template is madness. I see, however, that Tsourkpk was trapped by good will... --Michael X the White (talk) 14:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Template question
I would like to move Greek diaspora articles from {{Greek people}} and create separate {{Greek diaspora}} template similar to {{Polish diaspora}} template. What do you think? It seems to me it is a standard to group similar ethnic group articles by the navigation box at the bottom. - Darwinek (talk) 10:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see a problem with what you propose.--Yannismarou (talk) 17:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Creation of Roza Eskenazi article
Translated the Greek wikipedia article on Rosa Eskenazi. Just for your information, so you can take it away from the "open tasks list". (Can a mere mortal like me do that or must I have some kind of special right?) Pel thal (talk) 08:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- Mere mortals are fully entitled to perform such actions!--Yannismarou (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Edward Wright (mathematician): Translation of Greek word
In the article "Edward Wright (mathematician)" a 1624 book by Dutch mathematician Willebrord Snellius is referred to. The title of the book is Willebrordi Snellii à Royen Tiphys Batavus, sive histiodromice, de navium cursibus et re navali. (Tabulæ canonicæ parallelorum Canones loxodromici προχειροι.). Is someone able to translate the meaning of the Greek word προχειροι (procheiroi) at the end of the title? Please reply on the article's talk page. Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 00:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Category Archaeological sites in Greece re-org
I have organised the category Category:Archaeological sites in Greece. Some feedback would be appreciated --Mdebets (talk) 15:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- More sites in the Attica region would be: Hadrian's Arch, the ancient theater of Dionysos, the Odeion of Herodes Atticus, the Acropolis, the Philopappou monument, the Kyristus Clock-Tower of the Winds, Kerameikos, Plato's Academy, Sounion-temple of Poseidon, Eleusina, Marathon, Vravrona etc. I haven't searched if the above mentioned sites exist as wikipedia articles but I'm sure that most of them do. Pel thal (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- As the regions no longer have any official standing (they've been replaced by the peripheries), I would suggest that the Category:Archaeological sites in Greece by region be replaced by Category:Archaeological sites in Greece by periphery. This would mean that each new category could be included in the category of the particular periphery.--Damac (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notice. I wasn't aware of the changes to the regions. I would however suggest to leave the name of Category:Archaeological sites in Greece by region as it is and just use the names of the different peripheries in the sub-categories. In this way, the general structure of Category Archaeological sites in COUNTRY can be the same for each country, rather than changing it dependent on how a country calls its sub-divisions. I also think that for someone not familar with the subdivision of Greece Region is more explanatory then Periphery. --Mdebets (talk) 08:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
- As the regions no longer have any official standing (they've been replaced by the peripheries), I would suggest that the Category:Archaeological sites in Greece by region be replaced by Category:Archaeological sites in Greece by periphery. This would mean that each new category could be included in the category of the particular periphery.--Damac (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Greek names in astronomy articles
We're having a discussion at Talk:Mercury_(planet)#Greek_letters regarding the use of the planet's name in Greek versus the transliterated form. Many astronomy articles provide a similar situation, as noted in the discussion, so we would appreciate some knowledgeable input about what to do (for this article and in general). If you could stop by and provide some opinion, it would be appreciated. Thank you.—RJH (talk) 15:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hellenic Navy
At the Template:Hellenic Navy the logo of the Hellenic Navy cannot be used and it's being removed all the time. Since the logos of the Hellenic Army and the Hellenic Air Force are in use in their templates, how this problem could be solved with the Navy? - Sthenel (talk) 16:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- Please see my comments on the template talk page, about the difference between a navbox template (used on many pages) and an infobox (used on a single page). The logo is a problem in the former, but not in the latter. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Argead dynasty
In the Argead dynasty, the User:3rdAlcove adds the word legendary to the dynasty'ancestry from Argos with no obvious reason since it was a fact accepted by the Hellanodikai in the Ancient Olympic Games. This user has a long history of small but substantial edits in Macedon-related articles in order to weaken any relationship of them to Greece. In this article, he is trying to do the same by arbitrarily baptizing "legendary" the family's origin. - Sthenel (talk) 17:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- I think that "the spirits have calmed down" in the article, as we say in Greece. A compromise wording has been adopted in the lead, and I think that we should look forward!--Yannismarou (talk) 09:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Greek national football team
I think this article doesnt diserve a "start" rating anymore.....dont you? Sidinayarak (talk) 21:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- Assessment requests should be submitted in the competent department of the project. At the end there is the appropriate section for requests. Now, I think you should also read the project's quality scale, in order to judge yourself whether the article fulfils the B-Class criteria. For instance, is it referenced at all?--Yannismarou (talk) 09:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Help with Cyprus cities/towns/villages and their disambiguation.
Greetings! There is a proposal to organize a bot in order to create thousands upon thousands (if not eventually -- a million) articles related to villages/towns/cities from around the world. Cyprus is also a part of this and there is a list of places from Cyprus found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/cyprus. Currently however, before the project can begin, the list of places need to be checked for disambiguation. That is, there are some blue links already created and they need to be checked to ensure that they are in fact already the created cityand not a disambiguation page. This is needed as the bot will not be able to create the place if there is already a blue link and if its a disambiguation page, then that place (be it a city, village or town) will miss out. That is why I ask anyone here from this project who has some time or knowledge of Cyprus to have a look and help if they want in any way they can. As a side note, there is also a discussion going on here at the village pump: Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot and you are more than welcome to state your views on it. There is also a FAQ that you may have a look at User:FritzpollBot/FAQ but if you have any question do get in contact with Fritzpoll here User talk:Fritzpoll or with Biofield here User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE. Kind regards.
- Also note: I understand that there is a wikiproject on Cyprus and I have already posted to them this message. However I believe that if there is anyone here who is a part of the Greece wikiproject who can help out in any way (an extra pair of eyes don't hurt) then that would be more than satisfactory. Also note that as it stands, the places (cities, villages, towns etc) of Greece are currently not up and are pending due to the village pump discussion. In time they will be though. Calaka (talk) 05:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Giorgos Kastriotis "Iskender-Beh" (Alexandros)
Giorgos "Alexandros Beis" Kastriotis!! Now, this article does not seem neutral to me at all!! As Kastriotis is historically doubted to be Albanian and claimed by many sides, it does not present the view of all of them. Now, I have the strong sense that he was Greek, and I am sure I read it pretty recently.I'll try to come back with more evidence the next days. Please help in this! In the talk page too, as the discussion reaches the point of touching the greek descent of at least Phyrrus and Alexander the Great!! Also, pay attention to his Seal;completely Greek!Yet there is an explanation given: that he continued E.Roman (Byzantine) legacy... Have a look,please! --Michael X the White (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
1)Soleto was ruled by the Kastrioti family. Soleto is still a Greek city in Italy... 2)Also, check this out: Georgios Arianites Komnenos!! How is it possible that a member of the Comnenus line is Albanian??? ... It is almost clear from " Battle of Setina" that Arianites were Greek! In Ivan Crnojevic, there is also reference to Albanian members of the Comnenid dynasty!!!...I think we need be more attentive of these... --Michael X the White (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] 1896 Summer Olympics FAR
1896 Summer Olympics has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Giants2008 (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Updated showcase
The showcase has been updated again. Aside from having added two more entries into the DYK list (i.e. Analatos Painter and Polyphemos Painter), I have also added a new section in order to include the A-Class articles of WikiProject Greece.
The showcase has a couple of minor problems that need fixing.
1) On the DYK list, there exists a red link for the talk page of the Cretan War (1645-1669) entry. This is not the first time that the showcase has had red links for article talk pages that have already been created.
2) On the DYK list, I am not sure if the New Harmony's Atheneum entry should be removed or not. User:Bedford stated on the article's discussion page that the article itself has really nothing to do with Greece. Any thoughts?
Contact me if anyone has any questions (or complaints) regarding anything pertaining to the showcase's development and refinement. Deucalionite (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- On point 2 I think User:Bedford is correct. Except from "Atheneum" in its title I see nothing else in the article related to Greece. I also want to say that I downgraded Greco-Persian Wars to B-Class. You cannot rate as A-Class an article which is not even GA. Especially for the WP:MILHIST there is a certain procedure in order to upgrade an article to A-Class. Here, we do not have such a procedure, and any user can rate an article as A-Class, but on one condition, based on our quality scale and the general principles of Wikipedia: in order an article to be rated as A-Class, it must be already rated by the Wikipedian community as GA.--Yannismarou (talk) 19:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Currently, the showcase entries all adhere to the criteria of WikiProject Greece. Overall, I am deeply grateful for all of your help adelphe (no bullshit, I mean it). If you find any other problems with the showcase, then please let me know. Deucalionite (talk) 21:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
These are some interesting instructions from the A-Class review section of the WP:MILHIST project:
- Reviewers should keep the criteria for featured articles in mind when supporting or opposing a nomination. However, please note that (unlike actual featured articles) A-Class articles are not expected to fully meet all of the criteria; an objection should indicate a substantive problem with the article. In particular, objections over relatively minor issues of writing style or formatting should be avoided at this stage; a comprehensive, accurate, well-sourced, and decently-written article should qualify for A-Class status even if it could use some further copyediting.
If there is not any objection, I intend to include to our assessment section the aforementioned very useful instructions from the WP:MILHIST about A-Class status, adjusting them to our rules (we have no A-Class review).
Let me also note that I decided to submit Greco-Persian Wars for a new A-Class review in the MILHIST project. The problem with this article is that within the same month it passed the A-Class review of the WP:MILHIST but failed the GA review (theoritically an easier task). If the project confirms its A-Class rating, then I think that we should also upgrade it. Whoever is interested can read the article and then vote in the review.--Yannismarou (talk) 09:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
