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[edit] Léonard-Léopold Forgemol de Bostquénard

Waow a long name, even for a General,

Is there someone interested to write an article uppon this French General who was, in 1881, commanding a division of the French expeditionary corps in Tunisia and then named Commander in Chief of the French forces in that country.

Interwikis are:

Potential references:

SalomonCeb (talk) 09:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting. I won't be able to do anything for 3 weeks - I'm in France but without any internet access. There's a French site Photo of Forgemol + info and I've asked for permission to use the picture. If I get a reply before I go away, I'll update this page. Dickie (talk) 12:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I've started the article and now have permission to use a photo - but the same photo was deleted from Commons by User:ABF on 4th Jan. I'll contact him. Also hae a problem with the source/references bannerDickie (talk) 16:54,

[edit] Canton naming convention

I'm trying to devise a plan for creating articles on all the cantons. One matter I need to sort out first is the names of cantons that contain numbers. My searching on INSEE has produced 380 such cantons. Most are of the form "Épernay 1er Canton" which I propose will become "Épernay 1st Canton", similarly 2e -> 2nd, 3e -> 3rd etc. However, there are a number of unusual cases listed below, for which I have listed possible options.

INSEE name Proposed article name
Amiens 1er (Ouest) Amiens 1st Canton (West)
Amiens 2e (Nord-Ouest) Amiens 2nd Canton (North-West)
Amiens 3e (Nord-Est) Amiens 3rd Canton (North-East)
Amiens 4e (Est) Amiens 4th Canton (East)
Amiens 5e (Sud-Est) Amiens 5th Canton (South-East)
Amiens 6e (Sud) Amiens 6th Canton (South)
Amiens 7e (Sud-Ouest) Amiens 7th Canton (South-West)
Amiens 8e (Nord) Amiens 8th Canton (North)
Bastia 5e (Canton Lupino) Bastia 5th Canton (Canton Lupino)
Bastia 6e (Canton Furiani-Montésoro) Bastia 6th Canton (Canton Furiani-Montésoro)
Caen-Hérouville (Caen 6e Canton) Canton of Caen-Hérouville (Caen 6th Canton)
Cayenne 1er Canton Nord-Ouest Cayenne 1st Canton North-West
Cayenne 2e Canton Nord-Est Cayenne 2nd Canton North-East
Cayenne 3e Canton Sud-Ouest Cayenne 3rd Canton South-West
Cayenne 4e Canton Centre Cayenne 4th Canton Centre
Cayenne 5e Canton Sud Cayenne 5th Canton South
Cayenne 6e Canton Sud-Est Cayenne 6th Canton South-East
Hérouville-Saint-Clair (Caen 5e Canton) Canton of Hérouville-Saint-Clair (Caen 5th Canton)
Le François 1er Canton Nord Le François 1st Canton North
Le François 2e Canton Sud Le François 2nd Canton South
Le Lamentin 1er Canton Sud-Bourg Le Lamentin 1st Canton South-Bourg
Le Lamentin 2e Canton Nord Le Lamentin 2nd Canton North
Le Lamentin 3e Canton Est Le Lamentin 3rd Canton East
Le Port 1er Canton Nord Le Port 1st Canton North
Le Port 2e Canton Sud Le Port 2nd Canton South
Le Robert 1er Canton Sud Le Robert 1st Canton South
Le Robert 2e Canton Nord Le Robert 2nd Canton North
Montluçon-Est (4e Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Est (4th Canton)
Montluçon-Nord-Est (1er Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Nord-Est (1st Canton)
Montluçon-Ouest (2e Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Ouest (2nd Canton)
Montluçon-Sud (3e Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Sud (3rd Canton)
Sainte-Marie 1er Canton Nord Sainte-Marie 1st Canton North
Sainte-Marie 2e Canton Sud Sainte-Marie 2nd Canton South

I would appreciate your comments. Kiwipete (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Take a look a the article Liste des cantons français in the french wiki. For exemple they have keep the canton number for Amiens's but not for Cayenne's canton. Yves-Laurent (talk) 09:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, my problem with the French wiki list is that there seems to be no standard rule being followed. I want the English article name to reflect as closely as possible the official name used by INSEE. If there are other variations on the name, these could be outlined in the article body, and maybe also as redirects to the main article. Kiwipete (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The french article appears to be consistent with the results of the elections in those cantons as shown on the ministry of interior site: http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/sections/a_votre_service/elections/resultats/ (see "élections cantonales" and "élections cantonales partielles" Comte0 (talk) 18:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The Placing of the word "canton" seems to differ. It think that they should go under the form Canton of La Boug 5 and forget about the North/South/etc. bit since it simply describes the canton and isn't a part of it's disambiguation. ChrisDHDR 10:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Communes bot

How hard would it be to create a bot that could take the French infoboxes and the information from them to make a basic article on EN? That way we might spend less effort creating the articles from scratch and more effort expanding them. gren グレン 22:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Most of the french article have been created by bots like DasBot. It shouldn't be very hard for this bot to do the same job for the english wiki (he even have a account here : DasBot). Yves-Laurent (talk) 23:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I would encourage anyone with the know how to replicate that... (or, help explain to me) since I don't relish creating any more by hand. Is there documentation on FR from how they did it...? gren グレン 05:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I think they use information from www.ign.fr and www.recensement.insee.fr. If you whant, i can ask for more information on the french wiki. Yves-Laurent (talk) 14:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
You might also be interested in the way the Italy Project do it, they have a subst that allows you to just copy and paste in the it.wiki infobox and it automagically converts itself into the en.wiki equivalent. I've put in a request to make it a wee bit more intelligent about its translations, and for a similar subst for the it.wiki frazione infobox - if you have a look over there, you'll have links to the relevant Italian templates. PS I've also got a proposal for a bot that might help automate the assessment of some of those Unassessed articles which you guys might be interested in... FlagSteward (talk) 01:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed: 19e Corps d'Armée, général Koeltz

Any information on this Corps d'Armée would be appreciated.-- mrg3105mrg3105 23:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Navigation templates for french municipalities (the 1st is arrived)

The discussion has been moved here

Hi everybody. I'm proud to advise you that i've created, on it.wp, the 1st nav template (Alpes Maritimes) for french municipalities (by departments): it:Template:Dipartimento Alpi Marittime.

I hope it could be useful for the navigators in these version ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.11.20.156 (talk) 07:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Here the discussion in french

[edit] All Blacks versus France at rugby union Featured Article candidate

I have nominated All Blacks versus France at rugby union for WP:FA Featured Article status following improvements made after the peer review from last year. Please add your comments to the nomination page here. Thanks. - Shudde talk 10:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Louvre...searching for collobarators :)

Hey all....this article needs some work with referencing/sourcing/copy edit, etc. I've started by adding references, from the top-down, but I was wondering if anyone would like to come over and help out a bit? It's always nicer to edit if you have a collaboration.... Lazulilasher (talk) 17:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] DYK -- Nausea

Nausea (novel) is currently in DYK. After more cleanup, I will soon be submitting for GA. Any and all help, suggestions, comments will be greatly appreciated. William P. Coleman (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vincent-Marie Viénot de Vaublanc

Bonjour tout le monde. J'aimerais bien faire de cet article un article de qualité en anglais. J'ai déjà fait une demande et voilà ce que l'on ma dit: voir ici. Mon anglais étant un peu hésitant je recherche des personnes qui accepteraient de reformuler l'article, qui en corrigeraient le style en vu d'en faire un featured article. Merci à tous. Aymeric78 (talk) 13:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Vellescot has been flagged with the {{Notability}} and {{Orphan}} banners. Is it worth to create an article for each of the communes? Is there notability criterium? Am I wasting my time creating articles for all communes regardless of their size? — M-le-mot-dit (T) 18:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

A commune is never an orphan because it is always linked (or should be) from the déprtment, secondly it is a relevant article for the WP France. Kudos for your effort. STTW (talk) 11:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
No you're not wasting your time ( otherwise I am too! ). Presumably the link to Communes of the Territoire de Belfort department was always there ? Well done with your Jura efforts ! Dickie (talk) 12:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's go on. In Jura there is a very small commune (Mérona) of 8 inhabitants. — M-le-mot-dit (T) 09:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External map links

I've noticed many users importing articles of French locations from the French Wikipedia to here. Many of them contain map links in the external links section in addition to coordinates, which may or may not be redundant. This is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:External links#Issues with inclusion or exclusion of map service links. If you have an opinion on the matter, please share it on the discussion page to find community consensus. Merci! --Para (talk) 02:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emery Molyneux: Translation of non-English terms

Help would be much appreciated in translating the following book title appearing in the article "Emery Molyneux" that is not in English:

  • "Traicté des globes, et de leur usage, traduit per Haurion. ... Chez Abraham Pacard, ruë sainct Iacques, au sacrifice d'Abraham".

Do respond on the article's talk page. Thanks very much! — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 04:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template broken

Just in case there's some admins around who don't look at Template talk:WikiProject France‎ - someone has left out the opening brackets for the Categories code in the template, which breaks categories for some of the minor classes like List, Dab, Cat and so on. FlagSteward (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] University of Provence

As per [1]. I think the info should be added again, she is a public figure, I don't think it sounds too gossipy, it is a well-known fact, and it is referenced. What does everyone else think?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Restore it, but without the pejorative 'illegitimate'. The idea of 'offical' 'marriage' is not an international concept. She's recognised as his daughter, that's enough for me. Dickie (talk) 08:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
But surely it is a valid statement when talking about France. Plus she was hidden from the media for years for that reason.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Zigzig20s. Maybe in other countries there is no such thing as an "official marriage" but in France there is and since she was born out of wedlock she is therefore "illegitimate" whether the term be pejorative or not (Note: Wiktionary and Wikipedia make not reference to the term being pejorative). ChrisDHDR 09:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It is hard to understand how the "illegitimacy" of someone's birth, even if there were notable events related to that (her father's secret second life and his actions, as president of France, to divert state security apparatus to cover it up), is relevant to the university at which that person, as an adult, later teaches. These events took place long before Mme Pingeot's association with the University of Provence, where apparently she still holds an appointment as a graduate teaching fellow while she completes her dissertation. There is no evidence that the university has either affected or been affected by these events. On the other hand, there are many distinguished faculty at the university, who are known for their contributions to scholarship and learning. To cite Mme Pingeot as the only faculty member worthy of note at the university, and essentially because of the circumstances surrounding her birth, is to lose for Wikipedia a sense of proportion, relevance, and appropriateness. The appropriate place to discuss both Mme Pingeot's birth and her connection to the University of Provence is in the entry devoted to her. MyPOV (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree and you've deleted it again without a consensus.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why the initial deletion was reversed when there was no consensus for reversing it. For the contributors to this thread to weigh in on the appropriateness of the deletion, they would need to see the explanation for the deletion, which I provided to you on your talk page when you asked me about it but which you did not reference here. Even in the absence of that context, there's been one user who felt that it should be restored but without the use of the word "illegitimate" and one user who felt that the word "illegitimate" was fine, so it's hard to say that there's really a consensus for restoring it in its original form. Note that the basis for the original deletion does not principally turn on whether the word is derogatory or not. MyPOV (talk) 18:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translator needed

I need some help with this if anyone knows enough french to aid Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User_refuses_to_communicate.2C_continues_to_introduce_possible_copyvio_images_and_mos_issues.--Crossmr.--Crossmr (talk) 16:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Saint Quentin Cambrésis

Is this the same as Saint-Quentin, Aisne? Mjroots (talk) 07:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

For me, Saint Quentin Cambrésis is the name of a train station near Saint Quentin see here for exemple but i don't think that will help you. The cambrésis was the name of an old provinces of France. And, a priori, Saint Quentin is in the cambresis. Yves-Laurent (talk) 07:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Saint-Quentin, Aisne is the correct place then. Thanks for that link, looks very interesting, will work on adding the info there into an article I'm writing on the CF du Cambrésis later on today. Mjroots (talk) 09:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chambray

Can anyone please split this page into two articles? There would need a full page on the town, and another page on the textile, with a picture for each page..Zigzig20s (talk) 10:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I've never heard of the cloth, outside of this article and Wiktionary. None of the foreign language articles on Chambray mention it, including, most significantly, the French Wikipedia at fr:Chambray. Similarly, from Wiktionary the other language links do not include French. My paper encyclopaedias do not mention it. That's not to say it doesn't exist of course, but a bit of research needs to be done by a textiles expert. I will expand the present article from the French version later today. Emeraude (talk) 11:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
In chapter XIX, Part I, of Willa Cather's The Song of the Lark, Thea is wearing a chambray dress. Also, see [2]. Perhaps the WikiProject Fashion would be interested in it as well. I admit that nowadays people mostly wear cotton, wool or cashmere, but still.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I think you deals with Cambric (fr:Batiste in french) who is a creation of Baptiste Chambray (who lived in Cambrai). Yves-Laurent (talk) 11:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
That novel says 'chambray'. So does the dictionary, though their etymology might lead to what you're suggesting - but it is not referenced.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Or maybe chambray is another word for cambric? We'd have to make sure.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I've asked there [3], there might be someone to help us there.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Yves-Laurent is almost certainly correct. One of the foreign language Wiktionaries mentioned 'batiste' (but my knowledge of whichever language was no help there). So, it seems the reference to being named after the Normandy town is totally inaccurate. (I have now expanded the Chambray article as promised.) Emeraude (talk) 12:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
OK. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Chambray is "A kind of gingham with a linen finish." Etymology is given as "irreg. f. Cambray (see CAMBRIC). The OED defines cambric as "A kind of fine white linen, originally made at Cambray in Flanders". So that clinches it - there is no connection with the town Chambray. Emeraude (talk) 12:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh okay. But then is cambric the same thing as chambray or does chambray need a page of its own? The definitions seem a little different.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Seems to me they're the same thing, or at least, so similar as to be indistinguishable. Will try to confirm this, but in any case, the reference in the article needs to be removed which I will do. Emeraude (talk) 12:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Can you please redirect chambray (the textile) to cambric as well?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
There isn't an article on chambray (the textile) to redirect, but I will have a go at the Wiktionary entry. Emeraude (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
On the Chambray page, you could put 'for the textile, see cambric' perhaps.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Good point. Consider it done. Emeraude (talk) 14:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] French people - vote for pictures

Hello WikiProject France. You all may be interested in one of the discussions going on about the French people article regarding the pictures in the infobox: you are now all invited to participate in the vote for the French personalities to be included in the French people infobox. Regards! The Ogre (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of continents, countries, and political subdivisions by total area

Hi, I'd appreciates some help in adding the French départements to this list. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Louis XIV

Members of this project may be interested at a discussion going on at the Louis XIV talk page. If you have anything to add to this obscure discussion, additional opinions would be welcome. Coemgenus 16:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Being a rather long thread and, hence, more difficult to follow all the arguments on either side of the debate(s), these have been summarized on the next thread. Lil' mouse 3 (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Latin Europe

Hello WikiProject France! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 20:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chouans

Could I have a hand translating the excellent French history articles:

Neddyseagoon - talk 12:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be coping very well on your own - but I'll take a look this weekend at any redlinks you've left Dickie (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks. The French articles on the brothers, I've found, largely duplicates that on fr:Famille Chouan, so it might be worth translating those into Chouan family and creating redirects, rather than producing 3 stubs. Otherwise, it's just fr:Chouannerie that's proving a bit too long for me - I've translated the headings but no more. Neddyseagoon - talk 10:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manual of Style

While we at WP:France have elaborated some spelling/naming conventions (Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Conventions), I wonder if it would not be more helpful for the entire EN Wiki to create a French-related Manual of Style page (like Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Arabic), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles), etc.) and move our conventions there. What do you all think? - NYArtsnWords (talk) 23:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

There's plenty to put in such a page. The conventions doesn't go far enough, imo. I had a problem with (what the English call ethel, the œ ligature, and couldn't find info. anywhere. As I can't type it easily, I've replaced all encounters with it by 'oe' (see Jacques Coeur, for example). Same applies with c-cidilla, the circonflex, e-grave, the double-dot (Umlaut in German), in words like Noel, Citroen etc etc. If one can't type it, how does one search for it ? Dickie (talk) 12:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
'ë' is Alt+0235, it's just a question of learning the Alt+ codes to get the desired accents etc. I'd say that if a word has a letter with an accent in French, then it should always be used in English articles as it is spelled in French. One can always italicise words borrowed from French to show that they are not English words - e.g. Viaduc, which should be easily recognised as meaning viaduct but also recognised as being a French word (Translations can be given in brackets if necessary). Mjroots (talk) 16:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of the average user who might fail to find, on a search (for example) 'Sœurs de Saint Bartélémy' because they have never heard of 'Alt + 0nnn' ! Dickie (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
One solution is to create the article with the correct title - Réseau Breton and a redirect without the accents - Reseau Breton. Mjroots (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Which potentiaaly means a vast number of redirects, but Wikipedia is not paper, so a good solution I should think. Emeraude (talk) 13:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
For accents and whatnot, the redirect solution has always been the best. Re: the idea of a "manual of style" - would it be better as "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French)" or as "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France-related)"? - NYArtsnWords (talk) 16:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I vote for the latter, similar to the (Ireland-related....) Dickie (talk) 16:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes the best option is to move WP:FR/CON to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France & French). This is also a good opportunity to thoroughly review its content with debates etc. (as Captain scarlet noted at the talk page). I would personally like to get rid of comma disambiguation once and for all. ChrisDHDR 17:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
So I guess we have a number of options: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France-related), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French/France-related), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French & France-related). I have a rough draft of a MOS page ready, but which name should I choose? - NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems like Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France & French-related) is the best option. Its title represents both subjects and looks best. Note that I prefer France & French rather than French & France. ChrisDHDR 17:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I have posted a first draft at the above name. I'll give us some time to make some changes and then this weekend (1) make redirects from WPFrance/Conventions to the MOS, (2) add the proposed MOS to the bottom of the MOS template (proposals) and (3) post a RfC at the appropriate Style page. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it of been better to of moved WP:FR/CON so the page history could be kept. The page should be deleted (keep a copy on your computer), WP:FR/CON moved there and you can read your changes. ChrisDHDR 18:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... ok then please wait for a speedy delete of my blanked page before I make the move.- NYArtsnWords (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Move accomplished - NYArtsnWords (talk) 14:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I have added RfCs and added MOSFR to the MOS template (proposal section). I encourage all editors to give their two cents on all style/format issues so that we can develop some clear guidelines. The MOSFR page will (I hope) also be a better place to discuss specific issues of anglicization and French usage with input by non WP:France editors. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] British or American forms

Is there any particular WikiProject France preference on whether France-related articles should be drafted with American or British English forms? There's an edit-war going on at Gare de Lyon-Part-Dieu over the issue. Jkatzen (talk) 14:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

WPFrance doesn't have a pref, but the Wikipedia Manual of Style gives some guidelines: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English : "The English Wikipedia has no general preference for a major national variety of the language... An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation." Check out that page for more info. Hope that helps. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Personally I'd let proximity decide - so I'd expect articles about Mexico or Brazil to be in US English and articles about France to be in British English. You could certainly argue that Aquitaine, Brittany and the Pas de Calais have particularly "strong ties" to England in particular, and the invasion by Ryanair means that Britons heavily outnumber North Americans when it comes to numbers living or holidaying in France. Conversely in somewhere like Cancun you'll find many more North Americans (but still a surprising number of Brits), and you'd expect that article to be in US English. Just my view, anyhow. FlagSteward (talk) 18:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template change?

On behalf of Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes, I suggest that the template WikiProject France have an option for the French communes task force, even though it is a project. Tell me what you think... Basketball110 15:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Setting it up now. John Carter (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It is indeed best to add the subproject to the main template . Fully support this ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Basketball110 16:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It can be seen at User:John Carter/France banner, and seen in use on the talk page. Any objections to the current setup? John Carter (talk) 19:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Healthcare in France

Hi. I am not sure of the best place to post this request - please move it if this is not the correct location. There are a number of articles on the healthcare systems in various countries (Healthcare in the United States, Healthcare in the United Kingdom, Healthcare in Sweden, Healthcare in Canada, Health care in China and so on). There is no Healthcare in France article - this is just a redirect to Minister of Health (France), which is not the same topic. I have started an article at User:Neil/Healthcare in France, and intend to work on this article for a few weeks until it is ready to move into article space. The French-language article (fr:Système de santé français) is just a very short stub, so little help there. Any assistance (see also the talk page) would be welcome. Merci beaucoup. Neıl ☎ 19:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Neil - you might want to use Sécurité sociale en France. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - I have put in another translation request, as my French isn't good enough for accurate translation. Neıl ☎ 23:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment bot

Hi guys. I notice that you have one or two unassessed articles. :-))) I've just had User:FlagBot approved, which I wrote for the Italy Project. It works in two parts - first it reads in all the articles in a Project, and analyses them for how many headings, images, references etc they have. Then based on that it has a go at assessing them for Stub or Start-ness - it uses fairly tight criteria so the false positive rate is considerably less than 1%, but it leaves around 20% unassessed, either in the grey area between Stub and Start, or the one where something's heading towards a B. Then, if it can find a commune infobox with a population in it, it will try to assign an importance based on population - for the Italy Project it uses <15000 for Low, 25000<Mid<75000, High >125000. I note 100k is High here by definition, and I'd obviously have a trial run with the already assessed articles just to tweak the parameters for this Project. Also it obviously doesn't really cope well with "unnaturally" important villages and small towns, but in practice that doesn't seem to have been much of a problem for the Italy Project, and people can always review the list of assessed articles and promote the ones that deserve it - I eyeball the list myself before running it.
If nothing else it makes manual assessment a whole lot more interesting because it gets the no-brainer village stubs out of the way, :-)) but on the assumption that a big chunk of your Unassesseds are transwikied commune articles, FlagBot could make a serious dent in the amount to be assessed. Think about it anyhow - it won't be for a few weeks as I've got my hands full with the Italy Project right now (and haven't actually run FlagBot yet on the 1500-odd articles that are waiting for it), but I thought if I flagged it up now, then people might want to have a bit of a purge on adding infoboxes to any communes that haven't got them yet - I know I've seen a few around the place. And of course it assumes that people are interested in me running Flagbot on France? FlagSteward (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

There's other criteria for city importance than simple population numbers - Take Saint-Tropez for example, whose wee population (on a France-wide comparison standard) is by far outweighed by its fame as a summer resort. Rather, I think it would be a good idea to base article importance on the number of visits to the article itself - but I'm not sure that this sort of thing is easy to register on wikipedia... Jimmy? THEPROMENADER 18:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
It's a reasonable concern, but in practice it wasn't much of an issue in the Italy Project, there were something like 12 St Tropez-style underestimates out of 2300 articles. I can accept that there's maybe more places like that in France than Italy that are particularly notable to anglophone readers, but don't forget that I will be eyeballing the assessments manually before setting the bot in action. And anyone else is free to do the same - even if it takes an hour to scan 10,000 articles and tweak the assessments of the likes of St Tropez, it would take 100+ hours (and the loss of your will to live :-) )to assess 10,000 articles manually, so for the same effort you're 9900 assessments ahead of the game. :-)) I accept that there's an element of "trust me" here, but once I've done the Italy articles you can mebbe be reassured. FlagSteward (talk) 18:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Several articles in WP:FR are made up of lists, so they might be long, with several headings but still be a stub! So here something more needs to be done. Also number of links to the article could also be some hint to its importance, not sure how you can calculate that though. In general I feel your bot could be helpful in assessing between stub and start class. --STTW (talk) 19:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we may as well give it a try, it could only do good. Of course, like everything, it's not perfect and will get some wrong - yet that is grossly outweighed by all the work it will do. As for the criteria, 3 headers, 1 ref and 1 image is a bit small - how about 5 headers, 3 refs and 2 images? ChrisDHDR 21:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
PS: I would like to get the Newsletter up and running again - any help would be appreciated.
Picking up on a few points. Lists can't be Stubs - or Starts or B's or As or GAs or FAs for that matter, they should be assessed as either List or FL. The exact parameters would be fiddled with on a per-Project basis, just to try and get the best match with the already assessed articles. For instance, the Italy Project comuni articles tend to have demographic timelines which add 2kb to the article but don't affect stubbiness much, so I subtracted those, whereas I note that the fr.wiki guys tend to be quite free at adding empty sections, so yes I'd allow for that. Whatever is the best empirical match for the existing data - although bear in mind that the Start criteria allow for a Start with just one "gathered material" ie an image, certainly an article with 2 inline refs and an image would be close to a Start by most standards. I'll let the data decide though, no preconceptions. On the page hits thing, there is a limited service at http://stats.grok.se/en/200801/Nicolas%20Sarkozy - but it's not really intended for bulk use. Over on the Wine Project we've toyed with using it to at least decide priorities for things like Wine Improvement Drives, just on the really Top priority articles. It would be interesting to do a sweep of the Lows to find the unexpectedly popular ones, but I'm not sure that server is up to it yet. And it suffers from the "St Tropez" problem, only worse - by that metric Carla Bruni (296k hits in January) is more than twice as important as Nicolas Sarkozy (127k)!!! I think there's definitely scope to do something there in the future, to modify priorities, but I don't think it's ready for assessments with no human intervention. FlagSteward (talk) 01:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject France: Articles of unclear notability

Hello,

there are currently 56 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Names of country articles (Ireland)

This post does not directly concern French topics but might benefit from the fresh perspectives of editors of French articles getting involved.

I have proposed that the articles “foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland; civil service of the Republic of Ireland and public service of the Republic of Ireland" be renamed in each case by deleting the words “the Republic of”.

The main article concerning the Irish state is called Republic of Ireland because the island of Ireland already occupies the Ireland page. I do not propose to move this. However, the correct name of the Irish state is simply "Ireland". "Republic of Ireland" is not correct. This is discussed at length at an article I contributed to, Names of the Irish state.

If you are sufficiently interested, you may wish to read the Names of the Irish state article and then contribute your opinions, whatever they may be here. Irish contributors are always a small minority on WP and even the most rational edits often get 'voted down' for essentially political reasons. I think I've put forward pretty convincing reasons for the three moves (and only three moves - try not to be distracted by the smokescreens of those opposed to the moves).

I appreciate few French people are even likely to read this post so we will all still bring our English-speaking perspectives to the debate. However, I am desperate for the level of debate concerning this matter to improve (much of the discussion has consisted of stale rantings over Irish history and politics). Many thanks if you decide to get involved. Redking7 (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thierry Gilardi

Hey, I recently created an article on recently deceased football commentator Thierry Gilardi. I'd love to get the article to DYK status, and there seems to be some good references on the French page, in addition to just general information, to draw from. I, however, don't speak French. I was wondering if anybody can maybe help me put together a DYK-worthy article on him. matt91486 (talk) 00:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Peer review/Catherine de' Medici/archive1

I would very much appreciate any input from members of the project. Many thanks. qp10qp (talk) 00:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FA Review

TGV is now under FA Review, for anyone who wants to contribute to the review. Noble Story (talk) 02:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Franco-Provençal language

Salut ! Perhaps the Franco-Provençal language article is within the scope of WikiProject France and should be added. Someone other than myself should make this decision. Regards, Charvex (talk) 08:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I'm pretty sure Franco-Provencal is within the scope of WP France. It's been added to the project...Lazulilasher (talk) 19:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pied-noir nominated for FA

Hi All,

Just writing to let you know that I nominated Pied-noir for FA. Feel free to leave a note at the FAC page. Thanks! Lazulilasher (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Politics of French Polynesia

Please see my request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Polynesia#French Polynesian politics. Many of the articles on French Polynesian politics need to be updated and cleaned up as a result of frequent changes of government over the last few years.-gadfium 21:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, we're talking about you guys :)

Please join the conversation at WT:MoS#Appropriate use of capitalization in French titles and style from 1589 to 1830. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 21:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Laboratoire parole et langage

I suggest redirecting this to the University of Provence page. BTW it seems to have been created by one member of the centre [4].Zigzig20s (talk) 02:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] French Guiana in the Dutch Empire

Hello everyone! There is a discussion at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map, because user Red4tribe has made a map of the Dutch Empire (Image:Dutch Empire 4.png) that includes significative parts of French Guiana. Would you like to comment? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

New Map http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dutch_Empire_new.PNG http://www.colonialvoyage.com/ square=tradingpost (Red4tribe (talk) 16:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

Still OR, POV and unsourced (yours is not not a credible source). Please discuss stuff at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map. This was just a request for comment, not a discussion. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.colonialvoyage.com/
http://www.colonialvoyage.com/biblioDAfrica.html (credible source) (Red4tribe (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Wallis and Futuna

An anon edited this article to say that there was no current King of Alo. This presumably means that Soane Patita Maituku has died, but I can find no coverage of this. Most likely this is vandalism and I have reverted the edit, but could someone check French-language news sources for any mention? Thanks-gadfium 20:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems he has died (19th Feb 2008) see World statesman.org for more. Dickie (talk) 09:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks.-gadfium 19:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bordeaux

Hello, I've noticed by 'surfing' around a bit recently that many of the English pages related to Bordeaux are incomplete (stubs), or just missing altogether. Today, I translated the French page on the Tramway line A, but that's just a first step considering that the French wikipedia has an extensive coverage of Bordeaux transit, with pages for every tramway stop. There's a fair amount of other stuff, too, if you're looking for something to help with on this WikiProject. Detgfrsh (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vichy France's currency

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vichy_France#Currency

what sort of legal issues might be involved with me uploading a photo of a coin in my collection?--Marhawkman (talk) 08:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Since this currency is not in circulation, poses no possible interest for counter fitting, is no longer legal tender[5], and that the government that issued it has long since disappeared, I don't think there should be any problem. The best option would be to tag it with {{Non-free currency}}. ChrisDHDR 11:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thanks. :) But would non-free be appropriate for a photo I made myself? Or is it because of the subject of the photo?--Marhawkman (talk) 10:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
It is the object of the photo that is the most important. If you take a picture of Mickey Mouse, Warner Bros still has the copyright. ChrisDHDR 13:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. I guess it can't be free without the consent of whoever made the thing. (BTW Mickey Mouse is copyrighted by DISNEY not Warner Bros.. :P ) --Marhawkman (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It's rough around the edges

Somebody please work on List of basic France topics. The Transhumanist    01:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll try, but I don't exactly get what you mean. Any suggestions in particular? ChrisDHDR 13:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I too just took a look at it and compared the list to others in the same category. The list in question appears relatively comprehensive. Is there anything that you would like to see added? I'd be happy to work on it if you'd like. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grenelle

I cannot seem to get the Foot notes to line up as hyper-links on the Powder Magazine at Grenelle. I did add them again separately as references. I would appreciate if someone would help, as I have more things to add but I see no reason to continue at this time until it gets fixed. Please forgive me. I am a bit illiterate around here, but I am doing the best that I can. Thanks in advance.Bigjoe5216 (talk) 23:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I've made some minor changes. See if that is what you were looking for. Kiwipete (talk) 04:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

Hello folks,

The Philippine Wikipedia Community will be holding its 1st Meet-up in Cebu City (the fourth one in the Philippines) on June 23-24, 2008. This coincides with the first Philippine Open Source Summit, also to be held in Cebu. The Philippine Wikipedia Community is an Implementing Partner of the Open Source Summit. We invite you to join us in this event. If you are in the IT or IT-enabled services industry, this would be a great opportunity to meet people from the 4th best outsourcing city in the world. This is also a good excuse to visit our beautiful beaches :)

If you're interested in joining the Wikipedia meet-up, please join our discussion. You can register for the Open Source Summit here. If you would like some assistance with local accomodations, you may email User:Bentong Isles.

The Philippine Wikipedia Community
WP:PINOY

[edit] Louvre at FAC

Salut! I nominated the Louvre article at FAC today, so please feel free to come and take a look at the article or leave a comment on the [[6]]. Thanks! Lazulilasher (talk) 20:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested

Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rendundant templates

History of France
Ancient times
  Prehistoric France
  Celtic Gaul
  Roman Gaul (50 BC–486)
  The Franks
    Merovingians (481–751)
France in the Middle Ages
  Carolingians (751–987)
  Direct Capetians (987–1328)
  Valois (direct) (1328–1498)
Early Modern France (1492–1792)
  Valois-Orléans (1498–1515)
  Valois-Angoulême (1515–1589)
  House of Bourbon (1589–1792)
  French Revolution (1789)
France in the 19th century
  First Republic (1792–1804)
    National Convention (1792–1795)
    Directory (1795–1799)
    Consulate (1799–1804)
  First Empire (1804–1814)
  Restoration (1814–1830)
  July Revolution (1830)
  July Monarchy (1830–1848)
  1848 Revolution
  Second Republic (1848–1852)
  Second Empire (1852–1870)
  Third Republic (1870–1940)
    Paris Commune (1871)
France in the 20th century
  Vichy France (1940–1944)
  Provisional Government (1944–1946)
  Fourth Republic (1946–1958)
  Fifth Republic (1958–present)
Topical
  Historical French provinces
  Economic history
  Demographic history
  Military history
  Colonial history
  Art history
  Literary history
  French culture
Timeline of French history
French Portal
This box: view • talk • edit
Governments of
France series
Gaul
Franks
Valois Dynasty
Bourbon Dynasty
First Republic
First Empire
Bourbon Restoration
House of Orléans
Second Republic
Second Empire
Third Republic
Vichy France
Fourth Republic
Fifth Republic

Hello.

I think the template on the left (Governments of France) is unneeded. It is just a subset of the one on the right, so I can't see any reason why it would be used instead. May I propose they be merged?

Also, since almost everyone of those entries is going to have a dominant Template:Infobox Former Country (which is a long, right aligned column as well) in the top right, could I recommend converting the "History of France" template into a Template:Navbox, thus allowing it to be stacked with other templates at the bottom of the page? Oberiko (talk) 11:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)