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[edit] disambig standard

We might want to come up with a standard disambiguation for American soccer players/footballs when they share names with other notable persons. For instance, should it be "Eddie Johnson (footballer)", "Eddie Johnson (soccer player)", "Eddie Johnson (soccer)", or something else? (In Eddie's case, it would be "American footballer", "American soccer player", etc., since there have been others of the same name. Ignore that here.) This has come up a number of times, and it would be nice to have a guideline for American soccer/football pages. Personally, I prefer "footballer" - as I grew up partly in England (though American born) and the term seems natural to me - but I realize it strikes some people as pretentious, europoseurish, etc. I mean, I generally like "soccer" for use in articles, but "footballer" over "soccer player" strikes me as less awkward while also being unambiguous. I don't care that much, though; as long as we have an agreed guideline, I'm happy. Bill Oaf 10:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The standard I've seen says footballer is the way to go... and I agree. Jazznutuva 10:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
When referring to players from nations where it's called "football," use footballer. If a player is from a nation where it is called "soccer," then use soccer player or soccer. Che84 17:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update?

Does anyone know if we'll get a wikiproject or not? Do we need more noms? м info 02:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creation of WikiProject Football task forces

A proposal to reorganise all football related projects has been made here. Input from members of this project is wanted. – Elisson • T • C • 20:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Some task forces are now up and running - it seems like this WikiProject is a little dormant right now, so I've earmarked it for moving over to a Taskforce. Unless there's any objections, I'll do this on/after 5th July. Paulbrock 10:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Norman

A Vancouver native, or a Glasgow native? --necronudist 15:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability: North America vs the World

Thanks to the recent attempt at deleting the Sons of Ben page, I've looking at WikiProject:Football. It seems there is a lot of discussion/argument of "notability" that pit US/Canadian views against European views. Soccer is such a global enterprise that establishing a single set of criteria for "notability" is either doomed to failure or will treat a region unfairly. Shouldn't this task force be the ones ruling on "notability" for pages that concern this region? Delmlsfan (talk) 03:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey,Delmlsfan,they did with the NHL All Star Game from 1980s-2002,it all started,because of the Challenge Cup: Soviet Union vs. the World in 1979,to get ready for the XII (or 12th) Winter Olympics! Also,soccer is okay to me,I think the game is too sissy,because there are any take downs,that's my opinon at least! Bye from User talk —Preceding comment was added at 03:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for bot assistance with tagging project

I thought it may be a good idea to use a bot (SatyrBot) to help improve the efficiency of our tagging and assessing operation of articles within our scope. However, I made the mistake of requesting the bot's services before discussing the idea with the task force. First of all, I want to apologize to you guys for doing that. Secondly, I would like to know your take on the idea. Here is the original request post I made for the bot a few days ago:

  • WikiProject Football/USA and Canada task force - This WikiProject is currently tagging articles within its scope. All articles in Category:Soccer in the United States (and all of its subcategories) need to be tagged with {{Football|USA=yes}}. Some of the work has already been done manually, but I am interested in increasing the Project's efficiency, and I thought SatyrBot might be the perfect solution. I would be very grateful if you could accommodate this request, but if it is not possible for whatever reason, I completely understand. Thank you! TFCforever (talk) 17:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for your feedback. TFCforever (talk) 02:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of teams and leagues

How notable does a team or league have to be to be notable? Are teams or leagues that only receive local media attention inherently notable or inherently non-notable? Leagues run the gamut from purely recreational to "elite" recreational to semi-pro to pro. There are also youth and developmental leagues to consider, plus the NCAA and high-school-based multi-sports leagues. Where does this project draw the line on notability? Obviously, some teams or leagues may be notable even if they are "below the line" if they get national press coverage for whatever reason, but I'm looking for general guidance here.

[edit] essay on American soccer on Wikipedia

I have developed and am still developing an essay that I hope can be adopted by a consensus within the task force, in the hopes of channeling influence on WikiProject Football. It is written to address the concerns that more than a few of us have with respect to reconciling Wikipedia's treatment of American soccer in the context of the world game. I invite everyone here to comment on the essay's discussion page; I look to revise and further polish the essay, ideally before it is taken up by all soccer editors. Thanks!

(I also apologize that this is a near copy and paste of what I said on the MLS talk page, but it would be frivolous to retype essentially the same things) --Roehl Sybing (talk) 13:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can we get an official W-L-T vs W-D-L vote?

There is a discussion and voting on Talk:2008 Major League Soccer season about the standings/tables format. Kingjeff (talk) 19:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

This is more of an issue for all american (canadian too?) soccer articles and should be addressed soon. W-L-T vs. W-D-L is basically the issue on all articles, and we should discuss this here to resolve the issues in other articles, like 2008 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup qualification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greecepwns (talk • contribs) 18:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a North American issue since the league is in Canada too now. Kingjeff (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

What I was referring to is whether or not Canadian news and other leagues use W-L-T format. Greecepwns (#1 Red Bulls Supporter) (talk) 20:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with an anonymous editor

I'm hoping someone can help me... I try to keep all the rosters and player details for USL1, USL2 and PDL squads up to date, and in my recent updates of the Austin Aztex U23 roster, I noticed that the player Jamie Watson (soccer) is playing for them this year... so, naturally I added these details to his bio page. However, some anonymous user persists in deleting all references to the Aztex on Watson's bio. Now I KNOW I am in the right here... he is shown on the USL website (http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2008/roster/8969453.html), the Aztex website confirms that this Jamie Watson is the same Jamie Watson that used to play for Real Salt Lake (http://www.austinaztex.com/u23/roster/index_E.html - he's #23, second row from the bottom), and an independent third party has provided further confirmation for me ([1])... but as this person is an anonymous user I can't contact him to tell him not to keep deleting the Aztex stats... so, basically, it's descended into an edit war where I keep undoing his deletion, then he undoes my deletion, and so on... Have you got any ideas on what I can do? --JonBroxton (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Empty userbox

I just noticed that the userbox name is posted twice. Once is in red. I think that's because it is set to display it, but it doesn't exist or something. Tyciol (talk) 01:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)