Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football (soccer) in Australia/Archive 1

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Suggestion

The WikiProject football page has a great way of listing members as club preference could be important eg I'll take most care of AUFC's page - shall i implement it ? Oliyoung 02:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Go for it (list me as Sydney while you're at it :-) ). AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 13:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project

Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores ^Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Oceania stubs

Should these {{Oceania-footybio-stub}.} be replaced with these {{Asia-footybio-stub}.} for Australian players given these represent the Football Confederations rather than the geographic regions?--Hack 07:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Since it's for a Wikiproject, perhaps we could propose an A-League specific stub? It might not succeed, but it would make it easier to organise the project. Veila 11:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Are there enough players to justify that?--Hack 01:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Australian football (soccer) clubs

Somehow I don't think that the div1 state league clubs meet the notability threshold on sporting merit. Also, I think the 2nd division state league clubs are definitely not at all sportingly notable.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 06:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

What I think

OK, I think that we have to get started on building on the players. Someone (not me, coz im not good with computers) has to make a infobox, eg. the one used on players of higher status, like the Christiano Ronaldo one here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasrocks (talk • contribs)

I think the plain template itself is fine for any players – we don't need a specific A-League one, since people will be interested in other clubs they've played for, or have a method to add clubs A-league players play for in the future. AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 05:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Football in Australia box

{{fb start}}

{{AUS fb general}}

{{AUS fb natteams}}

{{AUS fb A-League}}

{{AUS fb states}}

{{Fb end}}

What do people think of this as a new layout?

Note that one of the lists of A-League clubs (the row at the top, or the column at the right) will be going, of course - I'm not sure which one looks better.

User:Chuq/Sandbox/FootballAus

Note: When I try and include it like a template, it doesn't format, and when I add {{Fb start}} and {{Fb end}} before and after it, it is a lot thinner than it should be.

-- Chuq 06:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I quite like it. What do you mean by "it doesn't format"? – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 08:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

It certainly covers the required fields. I like it. Normy132 12:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

AlbinoMonkey - I mean it looks like this

[example removed for space reasons]

and when I put the Fb start and Fb end boxes above and below, it squashes it, like this:

[example removed for space reasons]

-- Chuq 13:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. It was because of the "noinclude" tags you had around the table start and ends. When you include it as a template, it doesn't include those bits and thus doesn't know it's a table, so just puts all that rubbish there. The {{Fb start}} standardises the width to 47em, so squashes it up. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 01:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, that was pretty obvious in hindsight :) Thanks for that - anyone have opinion on whether the A-League clubs should be across the top or down the side? -- Chuq 02:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to ask a pretty daft question, but where is it going to be used? ⁂veila# 10:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

It's okay. It will be used at the bottom of pages about football in Australia. It's basically just a box to show where to find more information on a directly related topic, if that makes sense. Normy132 10:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I've re-arranged the table a little to make it thinner, I think it is worthy of adding to articles now - again unless there are any other comments/suggestions? -- Chuq 07:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Round summary box

I have followed the lead of the 2006 AFL season article, and I have updated the A-League 2005-06 article with a summary of round 1 as a test - check it out at A-League 2005-06#Home and away season.

This has included the creation of the following templates:

• {{ALeague PG}}
• {{ALeague CCM}}
• {{ALeague NUJ}}
• {{ALeague AU}}
• {{ALeague QR}}
• {{ALeague NZK}}
• {{ALeague SFC}}
• {{ALeague MV}}
• {{ALeagueMatchSummaryLine}}

The first eight are shortcuts for listing the teams (may be useful in other articles as well). The last allows me to write the "rows" of the table with minimum effort and a standard layout. If people like it, I will complete the rest of the season in this manner. -- Chuq 15:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Tournament tables

I have used/modified some existing tournament templates on A-League 2005-06 for the Club championship qualifier, the Pre-season cup, and the finals series. The only one which is new is {{PagePlayoffBracket-2LegQF}} which has had minor additions to allow for the 2 legged semi-finals. -- Chuq 22:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I like it, good work! – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 12:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

2005-06_Season_Adelaide_United

What should we do with this lonely article? Unless we do an article on every team for every season, I think it should be merged with either Adelaide United or A-League 2005-06. -- Chuq 07:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I want to make an article for every season for the Central Coast Mariners, but mine was going to follow the pattern of naming as:

(Club Name) Season (Year)

eg. Central Coast Mariners FC Season 2005-06

Imagine in 5 years time how crowded the articles are going to be if we leave the seasons in there, and how lacking in detailed information they will be if they're not archived somewhere. I made this to make it easier:

(Template now deleted as redundant)

I'll make one for each team, if you like.  Killfest2  09:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Made one for 6/8 teams - see User:Daniel.Bryant/A-LeagueSeasonTemplate.

Update - made them for all teams.

(Templates now deleted as redundant)

I don't want to be a spoilsport, but is there much point of these when there are only two seasons? i suggest writing sections and adding them to the team's articles, and then splitting them off when they get large. -- Chuq 06:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I would reccomend splitting them off at the commencement of the following season. The CCM article would be well over the size if they left the 05-06 season in there, but now it appears more concise. That's just my opinion... Killfest2 ^(Talk) 02:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll put something together for Sydney FC once my trials are over next week. Would those pages be the sort of place where you include all the matches, results and so on? -[dM] 11:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

See the Central Coast Mariners FC 2006-07 page for the sort of stuff to add. Daniel.Bryant 12:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

rename 2005-06 players project?

Barnstar

John O'Neill

If anyone has some time the John O'Neill (sport administrator) page really needs fixing. I will be working on it over the weekend but could use some help Tancred 11:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I've done some formatting, reference formatting, categorising and cleanup - there's still some items that sound slightly POV though. -- Chuq 16:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Team article names

There doesn't seem to be much standarisation on the team names. The actual articles themselves are at:

• Queensland Roar FC
• Newcastle United Jets
• Central Coast Mariners FC
• Sydney FC
• New Zealand Knights FC
• Melbourne Victory
• Adelaide United FC
• Perth Glory F.C.

I personally use the names minus the "FC" (except for Sydney), and I use "Newcastle United Jets" for Newcastle (as opposed to "Newcastle Jets"). When abbreviations are used, I use: QR, NUJ, CCM, SFC, NZK, MV, AU and PG. Does anyone have any other preferences for articles names and abbreviation names? -- Chuq 13:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I will always use Newcastle Jets, Central Coast Mariners, Queensland Roar, Sydney FC, New Zealand Knights, Melbourne Victory, Adelaide United and Perth Glory. Every other team has their loaction then a distinguishing factor (except for Sydney FC, who don't have a mascot, and instead use FC), so I don't see why Newcastle should be called Newcastle United Jets instead of Newcastle Jets. Also, why aren't Adelaide United called Adelaide United Reds? I think we should make the NJ drop the United in their usage on pages, except for their own page (where the United takes the spot of the FC in other teams). Daniel.Bryant 03:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, all of the teams should have "FC" as the name of their page, whether it is used in general writing is probably optional apart from SFC. Secondly, Newcastle are called the Newcastle United Jets and I don't see what the problem with having the "United" there is... And no, "The Reds" is just a nickname for Adelaide, much like Liverpool F.C.. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 03:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

600px Daniel.Bryant 07:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I take it you've seen their logo, and read the second paragraph of our article on them? Not every team has to follow the same <Location> <"Mascot"> pattern... (ps what happened to the edit section links on this page?) – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 08:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thought I would point out that WikiProject Football is currently having this discussion as well - see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#F.C. or FC?. -- Chuq 04:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Section breaks

Has the orange formatting on this page done something to the section breaks? It doesn't appear to allow editing by section, or linking to the headings directly? -- Chuq 04:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on fixing it. Daniel.Bryant 11:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Daniel.Bryant 11:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Perth Glory FC Squad Template

Something is going on with the PG Squad template. For example, see Leo Bertos, and note the stub position. It's happening with every PG article with the stub tag. Can someone fix it please? Daniel.Bryant 11:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Player project updated

As requested, I've updated the 2005-06 project up to just the general player project. All current squad members are listed in 2006–07, and as you can see there is a load of stubs everywhere, hopefully we can get stuck in to some of it. I think I made all the necessary changes/page moves - there may be a few loose ends so just fix them if you see them. Cheers. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 12:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Daniel.Bryant/AUSeasonTemplate

Crowd figures

Hi guys,

Just a suggestion - now the season has started, when updating game details, don't forget to add crowd details to 2006 Australian football code crowds - both updating the average for the home team (first, smaller table) and adding the game to the list (the second, very large table) -- Chuq 23:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Chuq. Daniel.Bryant 03:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Changes to templates

Perth Glory F.C. -> Perth Glory FC

News:

Wow, some breaking news here. I think a paragraph has to be added to Sydney FC, A-League 2005-06 and maybe even A-League 2006-07 as well. Daniel.Bryant 06:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

External source 1, 2 (NZ) and 3. Should we make a separate article for this incident, as it is very large, and has at least 4 references. Daniel.Bryant 06:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha settle down... as a Sydney fan of course I will defend them but this fine is diddly-squat. It deserves perhaps a sentence in each article. As the first "external source" you provided explains, Sydney did not breach the salary cap, they paid players money for tasks they were unable to complete because they did not have as much spare time as originally scheduled. And Sydney were the ones who reported it to the league anyway, wondering what the situation was. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 06:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Daniel.Bryant 06:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

SeasonTemplate - second take

CCM A-League strip

Can someone who knows what they're doing with the "strip" fucntion in the team's userboxes please update the Central Coast Mariners FC away strip - it can be seen here, at the bottom of the page. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 06:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Transfers in team articles

I can sort of understand having them during the off-season. But now that we're two rounds into the season, I honestly don't see the point. I thought Wikipedia wasn't a news service.... surely the squad list adequately outlines who is in each team. Is it time that we remove the transfer section? (I'm asking instead of just going ahead and doing it because it was a part of the whole project thing) -[dM] 13:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No, please do not remove them, until we have a 2006-07 season page for every team. I'm working on this as an editing project, and I should have all of the season pages done by the end of November at the latest. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 07:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. That's why I put it here first. -[dM] 12:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

No problems. Thanks for putting it here first :D Daniel.Bryant 06:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Club article template

Hi all. The eight team articles are kind of all over the place in terms of similarity. Can we reorganise them to look like the template stated at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs? I'm happy to have a go at them. I managed to get Dundee United F.C. to Good Article status by sticking to the template, so there's no reason why we can't at least get close with these. Fedgin 14:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

We to need to make the pages organised because some have the season templates and some don't. Perth Glory is completly different to any other page, Newcastle have next to no written information. we NEED to make history areas and club records on all pages. this should be put under To-Do-List on wikiproject A-League. User:Boltonfan22

I'm doing a lot of work, starting about 30mins ago. Someone to complete the table for the A-League season in the Queensland Roar FC Season 2006-07 article would be great. Daniel.Bryant 08:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I've restructured New Zealand Knights FC and Perth Glory FC, as per the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs guidelines. Some content regarding 'supporters' could do with being added; I'm in Scotland, and while I try to follow action from websites, I just don't have the local knowledge to fill in the blanks. Fedgin 10:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice. Considering the A-League is all of two years old, maybe the "Notable players" and "Notable managers" can be excluded for a while. Thoughts?

That's a fair point. Perhaps the players could be used to show former players and the less-famous of these can be phased out once seasons go by? Managers can just be an exhaustive list, rather than 'Noted managers'. Fedgin 11:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm. So far, most A-League clubs have only had one, at the most two, managers. For the present, we could probably still have the title "Managers". With the "noted players", most clubs by now have had a marquee/other large-name signing or two (or four if it's Sydney FC :P), so maybe something like Central Coast Mariners FC#Noted players could be used. Your thoughts again would be welcomed greatly. Daniel.Bryant 11:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Again, a good point. I think 'Noted players' is supposed to refer to former players; however, as you say, one-and-a-bit seasons doesn't lend much weight to ex-players. OK - how about the bigger-named players (past and present)? A small number can be added and contributors can discuss who should be added/removed on tha appropriate talk page. This is good: we could have all eight team pages sorted quite quickly. If we can get them all to 'B'-class (as per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Assessment_FAQ#Quality_scale), it would be an achievement. Btw, I've done Queensland Roar FC too. Fedgin 12:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I'll FOOTBALLMOS the CCMFC article. Daniel.Bryant 10:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)