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Contents 1 Issues 1.1 Wikify Maps 1.2 Main game pages ready for Good Article status? 1.2.1 Final Fantasy VII 1.2.2 Final Fantasy X 1.2.2.1 Developer info added 1.2.3 Final Fantasy X-2 1.3 Final Fantasy VI referencing 1.4 The new Final Fantasy VI template 1.5 Another new template for Final Fantasy VI 1.6 Recent surge of GAs 1.7 Ultimania 1.8 Aesthetic issues with inline citations 1.9 Authenticity of FFVII-FFX/X-2 connection reinforced 1.10 Collaboration of the Fortnight 1.11 X-2 Ultimanias translations 1.12 Removing certain infobox fields 1.13 Final Fantasy XIII 1.14 Merge of {{Square Enix-stub}} and {{FinalFantasy-stub}} 1.15 Merge of FF XI expansion packs

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[edit] Issues

[edit] Wikify Maps

I had an idea about the world maps and that is what if we wikify them and sho locations of continents like they do on the map of earth for location of countries etc etc. Im sorry i dont have a wikipedia account so ill just give you my email harri.morrow@blueyonder.co.uk 21:31 GMT

[edit] Main game pages ready for Good Article status?

[edit] Final Fantasy VII

I went through the whole page today and have adjusted the wording throughout, and am now going through to adjust the screenshots somewhat. I've also added some references to it. Does anyone think it's ready? Ryu Kaze 17:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

New screenshots are up. Ryu Kaze 18:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy X

I've gone through this one now. See what you all think. Final Fantasy X-2 is next. Ryu Kaze 15:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Developer info added

I managed to luck out and find interviews with the creators and voice actors in an old bookmarks file of mine (be aware that the pages sometimes take a while to load; this is something still hosted on SE's servers that they've since blocked anything but direct access to), and I think that the Final Fantasy X page just might be able to make Featured Article status with these new additions. Ryu Kaze 21:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy X-2

I think this one's ready if anyone wants to look at it. Deckiller and I have been working on it today. Ryu Kaze 00:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy VI referencing

All right, now that Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy X/X-2 have been completed, it's now time to start on Final Fantasy VI, methinks. I will use the Cloud article as an example and begin to work on Terra and Celes's pages, see if we can bring them up to good status. I'd like help from User:Ryu Kaze if I could, since he seems to be the most knowledgeable about the topic. I have begun to make a few minor changes to Terra's page, but I'd like a few suggestions before I do anything major. Crazyswordsman 04:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Terra's article then and Terra's article now. The work is far from complete, but I just want to alert everyone to the progress I'm making on this. Crazyswordsman 06:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll probably give it a look once I finish working on the Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 pages themselves. I'm not sure how involved I'll be as, like I said previously, I'm a bit burned out, but I will give you any advice I think might be helpful. Ryu Kaze 14:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll handle all the gruntwork. I just want some advice. Crazyswordsman 21:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that I still haven't looked at it. My mind works in a direct way, such that I have to finish the current train of thought before I'm willing to trust that I can effectively divert my focus elsewhere. Ryu Kaze 21:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I just gave it a look. You're doing fine as far as the references go (though it's my personal preference to use one ' ' set for quotes within referenced lines), so I've got no particular advice in that area. You seem to be quoting the things that I probably would have if I were doing it myself (those things that deal with the fundamentals of the character throughout the plot). Like you said, the page has a ways to go, but I'm sure you can handle it fine since you're already aware of its issues. I'd strike out the reference to her Zodiac sign, though, and replace it with something like the quote from Celes' or Locke's page. That's about all the advice I have. I'm sorry. Good luck to you, CS. Ryu Kaze 00:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I took your suggestions, and also added a piece about the mythological significance (with a reference, of course), of Terra and Celes' namesake, similarities, and contrasts. Crazyswordsman 01:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, I think I may add some more references to the FF6 main article as well. Somehow, I think these references are the gap between GA and FA. Crazyswordsman 02:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I've started working on Locke's article now. The story section here needs lots of expansion. I'd appreciate it if someone took a look and helped me find things to add that are appropriate but not crufty. Key plot elements are what I'm thinking of adding, such as Locke and the Opera Scene, Locke's doubts on Celes' loyalty etc. The references in Terra's article are almost finished, I still need the exact quote from the ending said by Maduin. Also, I plan on working bringing up Final Fantasy's sister game, Chrono Trigger, to GA. Crazyswordsman 16:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The new Final Fantasy VI template

Following Ryu Kaze's model, I redid the FFVI template:

v • d • e Final Fantasy VI Characters • Music Anthology

Crazyswordsman 04:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

It looks good, CS. Though I think it was Deckiller who came up with that wonderful template. Ryu Kaze 14:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another new template for Final Fantasy VI

This one is for character external links. One is to the FFWiki page on Wikicities (written by me), one to the FF Online page (because that is what was there in the first place), and one to the character profile on Caves of Narshe (because it's the most respected FFVI site on the internet). Crazyswordsman 05:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent surge of GAs

In the last day or so, Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy X have been listed as Good Articles. Additionally, Final Fantasy X-2 is nominated for Good Article status. Perhaps we can use this time to our advantage even more and get Final Fantasy magic, Final Fantasy Tactics, and the other main FF titles to GA status! :) — Deckiller 00:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's shoot for FA status! I really think we might be able to make it with the Final Fantasy X page now. Ryu Kaze 01:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I've put Final Fantasy X in for a Peer Review so that we can maybe get additional advice on how to turn it into an FA. Anyone think it might be ready for that nomination? Ryu Kaze 00:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I've added more info to the page, as well as references. Like I told Deckiller, this thing is going to make FA status if it kills me. Ryu Kaze 01:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to my research, I've been able to add additional information to the Final Fantasy VII page, as well, and will be able to add some to its character pages and the Final Fantasy VIII page. I've also been distribute information across various Final Fantasy X pages, including Tidus, Yuna, Lulu and Spira. Ryu Kaze 04:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I've now added lots of new info to the Final Fantasy VIII page, as well as new images. It's funny how I was supposed to be taking a WikiVacation, and yet I'm still just as involved as I was before. Ryu Kaze 06:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Wow, 10 GA's !! kudos to all involved. You guys did good! Renmiri 00:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

PS: I'm trying to get Blitzball to at least doesn't reek page stage so if y'all can drop in and have a look see it will be appreciated Renmiri 00:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimania

I've started an Ultimania page, does anyone want to help me out with it? I could also use some help linking references to it. --Shimei 05:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I know that Ultimania pages used to exist for Final Fantasy X. There was a much debate about their inclusion in Wikipedia, and have since been merged into their respective installments in the game series. Refer to User_talk:Renmiri/Archive1#Final_Fantasy_X_.2F_X-2_articles. If you're proposing an article on the actual game guide series of books and not the individual strategy guides for each of the games, it might be acceptable. ~ Flooch 06:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

::I personally don't think that the Ultimania books warrant their own page, even when taken as a series. Any discussion of those books is automatically a discussion of their respective games, and details concerning them are most at home on their respective games' pages. See the Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 pages for examples. Ryu Kaze 06:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

After thinking about it a little bit, it might not be a bad idea to have the page just to serve as a disambiguation hub for the various Ultimanias, with a slight description of what they are, and then links to each game's section on them (not that every game that has one has its own section for its Ultimania). Ryu Kaze 15:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. There was no original Ultimania for FFVII. It got a Kaitai Shinsho (published by Famitsu and licensed by Square), but its first Ultimania was the Ultimania Omega from last year. Ryu Kaze 15:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I have to retract my original conclusion. After looking at the page and adding more info to it and correcting some other info, I think the page staying would be a good idea. It could not only inform readers of what the books are and who makes them (I've noticed on Internet forums that a lot of people are unfamiliar with Ultimania), but it also informs them of which books have an Ultimania. I change my vote. This thing should stay as long as it doesn't start getting individual entries for the games that are trying to describe what they're all about. I still think that info should remain on the game pages. Ryu Kaze 15:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aesthetic issues with inline citations

I've noticed that the inline citations (such as those on Final Fantasy X) can cause an entire line to be pushed down a few pixels, resulting in a sort of mini-paragraph. I still think that the inline citations should be kept as superscript, but is it possible to either:

1. move the superscripted text down a few pixels, or,
2. make line spacing a fixed amount, so that inline citations don't cause this bug

Anybody else notice this when using Mozilla Firefox? Should I bring this up at Wikipedia:Citing sources? ~ Flooch 08:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I've not noticed any issues with it. This particular reference style is also the one used for the Wikipedia page itself, so I doubt that anyone who grades things for FA status or otherwise judges articles for quality considers it a poor method. Ryu Kaze 15:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not that I'm criticising the referencing style, it's their appearance in my browser that's a little off. Do you seriously not notice that lines with ^superscript get pushed down by a few pixels? In any case, I think I should bring this up at the Citing sources page rather than here. Sorry to make a fuss. :P ~ Flooch 15:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Authenticity of FFVII-FFX/X-2 connection reinforced

I thought I'd let you guys know that I've discovered that the FFVII-FFX/X-2 connection has more to reinforce it than we previously thought: Check it out here. Ryu Kaze 16:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• We should add it to Wikipedia someday... But not now. I dread the edit wars by us and irate ffvii fanboys.. Renmiri 00:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• I don't know if it's just me, but I hadn't heard about the connection from somebody else. But, I myself always thought there was some kind of link between FFVII and FFX. I'm not talking just of the fact that there is a kid named Shinra which might seem at first glimpse like an hommage or something, but some deeper links like the cutscene with Rin and the machina from FFX-2. I'm not gonna spoil it to everyone, anyway you can find this on the net if you want to, but those who know FFVII should see the link with ShinRa Inc right away. Now, to see if we can add that somewhere without getting accused of fancruft is another story.--DarkEvil 21:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

See this already present discussion: Talk:Final Fantasy VII#FFX Connection ~ Hibana 00:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

DarkEvil: I think it was probably the similarities in the world physics that made you feel like they were connected. The spheres-materia and pyreflies-Lifestream stuff kind of makes itself apparent even without somebody pointing it out to you, doesn't it? As far as adding it goes, it's certainly not Original Research since it was an interview; now, whether or not the conclusions we can draw from that are OR is another story altogether. Inserting this very relevant info somewhere without pointing out its implications is the only way we could add it. We'd just have to mention it and the fact that it exists. I think we can probably add it to those pages that already make mention of the concept fairly easily. I'll do it tomorrow. Ryu Kaze 05:13, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right about the world physics, they probably must've pointed me to the connection a little bit, but the thing that made me more aware of the connection at first was the speech Shinra made in X-2 about the energy of the farplane. And then, I played again a second time and got Rin guilty, so I had really no doubt about the connection anymore.--DarkEvil 23:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'll go ahead and do it now. One less thing to do tomorrow. Ryu Kaze 05:13, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it's now on the Final Fantasy X-2, Materia, Shin-Ra and Mythology of Final Fantasy X pages. I just added it to the passages that were already on each and previously mentioned it, so I only had to rearrange the wording. It's been done in such a way that's it not fancrufty or anything resembling OR. Ryu Kaze 05:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I can't login to that page. Care to transcribe? --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 15:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe the password there is "Aerith," but I'll go ahead and put everything here in a handy show/hide box:

Ryu Kaze 05:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. But I don't see anything new here. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 18:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The interview with Kitase and Nojima from the Ultimania Omega for X is new, as is the stuff from the Ultimania Omega for VII. Ryu Kaze 19:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I meant that there is no new solid evidence that the worlds are the same. Just more hinting that the worlds are 'connected' somehow. But that could mean anything. Intresting stuff, though.--JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 00:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Well they aren't the same world. Like Nojima said, Shinra's descendants go to VII's world. Anyway, the new solid evidence is that Yoshinori Kitase (lead developer of FF, director and lead developer of FFVII -- because Sakaguchi was away at the time making the FF movie -- the Producer of its Compilation, as well as the Producer of X and X-2) not only gave Nojima the freedom to connect VII with X however he pleased, but also expressed that he knew what Nojima had planned and approved it. At this point, it's undeniably official (though it was clearly official before too). In that last interview, they even asked Kitase about the possibility of making a game to portray what happens between X-2 and VII, though he said that their schedule is too packed for it right now. Ryu Kaze 01:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there are enough evidence about the connection, but I'd really like a game set between X-2 and VII, it would make our job a lot easier since there would be no doubt about the fact for anyone. By the way, thanks for the ultimania translations, this is very interesting stuff, I like your work.--DarkEvil 23:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome, and I'm glad you like it. Totally agree about how much easier an actual game would make this for us; alas, "too busy" they say. Ryu Kaze 12:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration of the Fortnight

As some of you may know already, List of Final Fantasy armor has been nominated as our collaboration. I have begun reworking it. I know the article is a mess right now (before and after I made changes), and I know it looks blanked a bit, but the fact is that most armor is not notable. We certainly don't need to list all the Final Fantasy X armors. In fact, I can't think of any FFX-specific armor that is notable. I cleaned up and restubbed the sections for FFIV, FFVI, and FFVII as well. I also began elaborating a little. Any suggestions or help will be appreciated. Thanks. Crazyswordsman 23:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

In terms of design, FFX has some pretty nifty armor. Yuna's rings. Kimahri's arm thingies... (we don't need to list all but a mention should be there). I actually have all the most important FFX armor & Weapon scanned in from my The Art of Final Fantasy X book from SE Image:WeaponsFFX6.jpg

Weapons are one thing. Armor isn't. There pretty much is all there needs to be about FFX armor. Wait, I take that back. The Customization thing could be added, then again, WP:NOT GameFAQs. Maybe just a brief mention? Crazyswordsman 02:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Brief mention is fine by me. Let me know if you guys think my armor pics are needed. The List of Final Fantasy armor looks pretty dry without it, not at all up to the Races of Final Fantasy level. But if we only have pics for FFX (only ones I can provide) then we need more... Renmiri 02:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

The pictures are not only fine, they're lovely. I'd also like to get pictures of the icons used for the FFI-VI armor and the FFIX armor. Crazyswordsman 23:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] X-2 Ultimanias translations

Thought there might be some of you here interested in this. I'd promised Renmiri to let her know when it was ready, but I thought some of you others might have an interest too.

I've been translating some stuff from the Ultimania guidebooks for Final Fantasy X-2 and you can read that here. Also, to those of you interested in VII, I've added lots of new stuff in the last month to the Ultimania Omega translations FAQ for it. Enjoy guys. Ryu Kaze 02:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removing certain infobox fields

I'm removing the {{preceded by}} and {{followed by}} fields from the infoboxes of the main series Final Fantasy games. I find them useless because this is not always the case for neither the release times nor storyline continuity: Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 are debately the only direct prequel-sequel pair with at least one game in the main series (aside from Compilation of Final Fantasy VII). Saying things like Final Fantasy XI follows Final Fantasy X-2 denotes major complications as well. It's also fairly obvious to most readers that II follows I and III follows II and so on. If you find something wrong with my edits, please revert me and explain your reasons here. ~ Hibana 02:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Good catch! Renmiri 13:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

No objections on my part. Ryu Kaze 16:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy XIII

Hi, I just happened to be passing by and thought you should know that I changed Final Fantasy XIII from a redirect into its own page, now that it has finally been acknowledged by respectable sources as being worked on - although to what extent it is not yet known, but I think that given how many people would go around looking for information on such a thing, it would be good that the article is kept both up to date and informative, even if it is to let people know that little about the game is yet known. {subst:unsigned|Loony BoB}}

Cool! --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 20:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of {{Square Enix-stub}} and {{FinalFantasy-stub}}

It has been proposed that {{Square Enix-stub}} be merged with {{FinalFantasy-stub}}. Please see the proposal if you are so inclined. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 22:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Heads up. Square Enix-stub was renamed, and Final Fantasy stubs upmerged:

{{Square Enix-stub}} was renamed to {{SquareEnix-stub}}. This tag will point to Category:Square Enix stubs.

{{FinalFantasy-stub}} was unchanged, but now points to Category:Square Enix stubs.

Basically what this means for us is that we carry on as before. See the stub deletion log for the archive of this discussion. ~ Flooch 01:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of FF XI expansion packs

Given the nature of the articles, might it not be a good idea to merge the three stub articles about the three expansion packs into a single article? Caerwine Caerwhine 22:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I think so. I meant to suggest that a while back and forgot. Ryu Kaze 14:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. Crazyswordsman 16:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually not for this plan (suprise, suprise). Simply because these expansion pack articles could be expanded so much more than what they currently detail. It does become unclear after a certain point about what was in the original game and what was in earlier expansion packs, but with the release of the latest one Treasures of Aht Urhgan I'm certain there is going to more the write. Also details on the sales/popularity and various changes that occured between the two expansion packs. I'm actually on a little bit of a wiki-break at the moment but if I take these under my view, can we leave them as it atm? Also I'd be a little unclear as what you would title such a merged article as... Final Fantasy XI expansion packs? Not many people are going to search for such articles with that phrase. Cheers -- CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 05:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Note: Sorry. I would also like to point out that this template shows all the FFXI related articles.

Template:FFXI Now, I'm not saying that simply the small number of articles means that we should keep them but I think it would be better to Expand and Improve the current articles then to Merge them, especially considering the number articles relating to other Final Fantasy titles. Final Fantasy XI titles aren't covered as much in this WikiProject (which I am working ... slowly to change) but the changes that happened in the Vana'diel should give you an indication on the amount of additional information that can be included in these articles (but not fancruft or anything) -- CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 05:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)