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Constitution of Estonia

I object to the choice of the source for the constitution (see Talk:Constitution of Estonia). The other source is better as to the terminology. Andres 10:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

  • If the other source is better for terminology, it probably makes no difference - I cannot copy and paste or use identical words in any case. Additionally, the format of the constitution article will probably be changing; I'm laying out a skeleton now, and will be changing it to resemble the United States Constitution, as this is a featured article. I will look at your source, though. I didn't get a chance to yesterday; parts of the US lost power and I have a 100 page paper to do. Srose (talk) 13:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Question

Does anyone know of any Estonian news sources? I have a google news alert sent to me every time they list a story on Estonia, but google is somewhat biased towards US and British news. Srose (talk) 14:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

www.baltictimes.com is a good source. Martintg 10:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

http://www.topix.net/world/estonia is a source, but I can't yet say how good it is. There is also http://www.estoniatimes.com/ -- the content seems to be almost the same. Eesti Elu ( http://www.eesti.ca/ ) - an Estonian newspaper in Toronto - has some pages in English.

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Romeo

Hello, Estonia!

Why was Romeo, a disambiguation page, given one of your project templates? I've removed it, but if there's a reason for it, perhaps you could explain at the talk page? AndyJones 12:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad - apparently script got the wrong page. Thanks for removing it. DLX 12:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Super, thanks. AndyJones 12:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WP-EE awards for best contributors...

Since we have recently had some great contributions from some users I felt it would be great if we had a some sort of (semi)official recognition award for them. so I drew this:

Please let me know what you think... --Alexia Death 12:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I like the look of the award. Andres 10:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
So do I. How does it scale? Typical barnstars are smaller.
Aga Suur Papist Kuldauraha kuluks ka ära. Tegelikult vist isegi kaks; Vesipruule leiab Wikipediast Tatikaist rohkem. Digwuren 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
It is a svg. It scales perfectly by nature:) example:
--Alexia Death 17:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
BTW: Size can be made to indicate rank.
I like it. Tipp-topp. biggins 02:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
The image looks very nice and the idea of the WPE barnstar is great. However, to avoid confusion, only one size should be used - for example, some editors with many barnstars keep them in a table, displaying only a small image and link. Most used size for barnstar images seems to be around 110x110 to 128x128. Alexia, would you design rest of the barnstar template as well?
And Digwuren: no. Wikipedia does not work that way.

DLX 06:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Digwurren: honey not vinegar ;)
DLX: I can do it if you pont my nose to the right direction in making templates... Ive never done one...--Alexia Death 10:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I've never done any as well, except minor changes - but Help:Template is what you need, I think. DLX 15:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Looking good! the only thought I have is regarding possible symbolism. The way Hirundo is heading down-backwards from-right-to-left direction might symbolize pessimism even though the line of action is vertically upwards, the head is directed lower and down. There is directional symbolism in every culture and in the western tradition as we read from right to left, every picture has a meaning how silhouettes are directed according to it. it might look weird though in case the head was directed up-right. But I'd play around with it and see if you could get it saying, we going forward and higher instead of back&down like the silhouette of the bird is telling me now.--Termer 16:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it better now?--Alexia Death 18:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
this is my template making test

moved below

--Alexia Death 19:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
This template making is easyer than I thought. feel free to improve ;)
Template:Wp-ee contrib award , heres a shortcut to the template for you.--Alexia Death 19:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Wou, flying upwards looks much better then I expected. I love it! There are 2 little things that I'm not too sure of. I'd try how it looks if the wings had some air between the circle. Now they are just about touching it. Usually you'd leave some space there or vice versa, overlap the shapes I think. The distance should be perhaps similar to the white spaces between the leaves for ex of a third or 2 thirds of it. And perhaps, the flag up there, if it wasnt as wide as the circle itself maybe wouldn't feel that “heavy” up there and would make a nice offset perhaps if it was a little narrower. See if you have time to play around with those 2 things if you think it's worth it. Otherwise looking much better i think.--Termer 07:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I know I am too fond of shadows, and I am designer with bad taste, but here are my mods: :)

The look of the award is very good! good job! but the scales could maybe also tell what are the differences of the different sizes and why one person gets bigger size award than the other. i think it could be explained within the award. Also, i think the different sizes are good. they just need explanations. Avjoska 08:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I like the shadows on the lower part but I tend to to agree with Digwurren on the flag. Ill do something with it and lets see how that goes. --Alexia Death 21:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Thats looking good indeed! maybe the swallow ended up a bit too small, I might scale it up just a bit but other than that, very nice! Shadows and highlights are also nicely added!--Termer 09:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I like the shadow effect on the round part, but it looks somehow "dirty" on the upper, flag part. Digwuren 17:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

..But then again, instead of scaling the swallow up a bit , you might choose to do something with this plain white circle now, anyway, I'm sure you know what I mean. Good Work!--Termer 09:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC) ...OK, just one more idea. What if the shadows and highlights were added horizontally to the flag part. Now the blue and white are curving separately. If horizontal then it would simplify it a bit the flag would remain more like a one shape. Anyway, just a thought...--Termer 09:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

How about this?--Alexia Death 21:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Hi Alexia, if it was up to me, out of the last 2 versions, I'd choose the previous one.-Termer

I prefer the latter one; largely due to the 'dirty look' issue I moaned about above. Digwuren 08:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Alexia, there must be thousands of Barn-star designs, so I wouldn't agonise over the design of one award. I like them all. Martintg 23:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alexia, once you're on it, I'd request another one from you. "Outstanding Soviet Censor Barn-star" for editors that have pushed the Soviet POV the most on articles related to the Baltic countries. I have a coupler of editors on my list already that I think have earned it big time...--Termer 08:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I think I know who you mean... But, alas, someone can take that the wrong way... Like as an encouragement to keep going :P...--Alexia Death 18:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

So lets declare this current form of the image final? Any suggestions for template or is it time to give it out to people?--Alexia Death 18:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

WP-EE award template discussion

Sample:

Award of the Soaring Swallow

to {{{recipient}}} for outstanding contributions to Estonia-related articles
{{{date}}}

{{{signatures}}}
I think that barnstar should have a fixed width and somewhat more informative message - perhaps also separate image and text part of the barnstar? I'd like to fool around with the layout a bit tomorrow, if you don't mind? DLX 20:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
the template is yours to mess with:)--Alexia Death 10:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, did some changes... used (crappy) HTML, though. I am most definitely not dead set on this design, especially colors - but it does stand out better, imho. DLX 11:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Ill take a look at it too.--Alexia Death 12:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
What do you think of the changes?--Alexia Death 12:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Looks very nice, the rounding was a bit overkill - and would have been visible only on Mozilla-based browsers anyway. DLX 13:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


Reviving Effort of the Month

While cleaning up the project page, I thought about Effort of the Month section. I think it would be a good idea to start doing those again - with the goal of getting one article every month to featured article status, or, if that is perhaps an overkill, at least try to get one article every month to be listed as good article. Also, perhaps we could do an "Effort of the Week" type things where we try to get newly created articles to Did you know section - and, I do think we should try to get some Estonia-related pictures to featured status as well.

Now, as for current (July 2007) candidate - Estonia in World War II by Termer (talk · contribs) - that seems to be perhaps best candidate for WP:DYK (we have until 8th July to nominate it) and later it has a good chance for WP:GA or WP:FA. It needs cleaning up and expanding a bit (especially wikifying), but Termer has done an excellent work with it.

And as for the month of August - I noticed that we don't have an article Culture of Estonia, which, imho, is badly needed - as a sort of main article about all the stubs/articles about theaters, movies, bands etc, but also giving a historical overview of Estonian culture.

DLX 06:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Translation of vald

The Estonian vald should be translated as Municipality. Commune is not justified. Andres 21:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If I am right then the titles and mentions should be changed. Andres 21:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not a native speaker (my grandfather is); I only speak a little Estonian, so I think I'll take you at your word. If no one has any objections, I think I'll turn all of the "communes" into "municipalities". Srose (talk) 13:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
In fact, "vald" translates in this context as "rural municipality". There are two types of "local goverments" in Estonia: "rural municipalities" and "cities" (in the constitution translation you are using: "districts" and "towns"). However, it's seems to be more natural to use "Municipality" instead of "Rural Municipality" in the names of the rural municipalities.
Earlier, here in the English Wikipedia, "Parish" was used, but "parish" is the counterpart of "kihelkond", a traditional unit. "Commune" is a unit of local government in general.
So, it's my opinion that "Municipality" is better. This a translation problem for English speakers, not for Estonian speakers. In the web, there are instances of both "municipality", "rural municipality", "commune" and "parish". Andres 18:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Probably the variants (except for "parish", which is ambiguous between "vald" and "kihelkond") should be redirects. Andres 18:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably the best nomenclature would have it as: Valjala Rural Municipality. It's the most unambiguous way, as sometimes a rural municipality and a city have coinciding names. Andres 10:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Shire is the correct English term for Rural Muncipality. Martintg 10:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I believe Avjoska is taking care of the commune-to-municipality changes. Srose (talk) 13:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it would be best to use the Estonian word "vald" untranslated? Rain74 21:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The official translation (see for example English translation of Local Government Organisation Act) is Rural Municipality. Local government in Estonia consists of Rural Municipalities and Cities. Kevin Ehaver 194.126.101.135 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

(Discussion moved from project page)

Perhaps the translator of the Local Government organisation Act had a Canadian connection, some provinces call them Rural municipality, apparently. Another online dictionary has vald<->parish [1], [2] Martintg 11:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
According to my Estonian-English Dictionary by Paul F. Saagpakk:
  • vald 1.parish (= civil parish); (suure kihelkonna alajaotus) township; commune; 2. (võim) power;
Some say that Saagpakk's dictionary is a little outdated, but I believe other dictionaries have similar entries too. Legal definitions and common use definitions may not coincide. Martintg 02:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

"Parish" as a description of a civil administrative unit is archaic. The only correct term here is "rural municipality" because we are not dealing with a legal term as such. The term "vald" belongs to the Estonian state administration and they have decided on the English translation. For example, the only translation in English of "Eesti Päästeamet" is "Estonian Rescue Board" despite the fact that a more sensible word to replace "Board" would be "Agency" or "Authority". If the official translation used is unclear an explanatory sentence can be added but, in the case of "Rural Municipality", this is in my view not necessary. Kevin Ehaver 84.50.91.222 13:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've corresponded with an linguist based at Helsinki University and he basically confirms we must stick with the official translation regardless if the words are being used unusually in standard english. He cites a similar situation in Finnish, where the official translation of "kunta" as municipality and rural municipalities are thus officially translated as "non-urban municipalities". So what in your view be preferable as an article title: Xxxxxx Rural Municipality or Rural Municipality of Xxxxxx, or can we just name it Xxxxxx Municipality and add "Rural" as a qualifier if there is also an urban municipaility of the same name? Martintg 02:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Kummalisel kombel on kõik Lääne-Viru vallad commune'ideks tõlgitud. Artiklid paistavad olemas olevat ainult Kadrina Commune'i ja Tapa Commune'i jaoks. Seda tõlketava ei paista muudes maakondades järgitavat; võimalik, et Lääne-Viru artikliseeria autor on saanud olulisi mõjutusi Rootsi administratiivjaotusest.
Ilmselgelt on niimoodi paha. Tuleks välja töötada üks ilus terminisüsteem ja seda konsistentselt kasutada. Praegu paistab domineeriv 'valla' tõlge olevat rural municipality, mis on omamoodi jabur, aga võrdlemisi täpne. Kadrina Commune ja Tapa Commune paistab olevat mõistlik ümber nimetada / mergeda Kadrina'ks ja Tapa'ks; teine on natuke problemaatilisem, kui esimene. Edasise diskussiooni jaoks on tõenäoliselt kõige mõistlikum koht Talk:Lääne-Viru County. Digwuren 17:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Ma olen kusakilt kuulnud ka tõlget "vald"="parish".--Staberinde 15:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Iseenesest pole paha, aga kas see pigem et:kihelkond ei ole?
Teine tore alternatiiv, aga vist mitte eriti populaarne, on townland. Digwuren 15:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Outside view, taken from Talk:Vaivara Commune, I hope that Martintg has not anything aganist being quoted by me:

I think "parish" is the correct english word for "vald" [3] [4], "parish" is certainly used in England and Australia in the context of a rural municipality. Martintg 05:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

--.Staberinde 16:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll take parish as the concensus, and will over time systematically change all the different variants accordingly. I'll keep the existing "Foovara Commune" pages as redirects. Digwuren 12:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The official translation (see for example English translation of Local Government Organisation Act) is Rural Municipality. Local government in Estonia consists of Rural Municipalities and Cities. As an Estonian Civil Servant I always used "municipality" because it is shorter, specifying "rural" where the context demanded it. Kevin Ehaver 194.126.101.134 07:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Moved to talk page. Martintg 02:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

yep, I've heard that Commune is a dirty word in Estonian that makes people's faces flashing red, so it's not such a good idea to used it.--Termer 09:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, on a big public map on the island of Muhu it said Muhu parish. Parish is a word that implies, that the municipal unit is formed around a church, witch may be untrue in some cases, but i believe its a better translation than anything else...--Alexia Death 20:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

More formal approach giving out WP-EE awards?

Ive had an idea that perhaps we should take a bit more formal approach to giving out our award. I was thinking that having an official list of people who have been awarded with it along with the reason and a formal procedure for nominating a person for an award and requiring at least two more support votes from within the project would give the award more weight and value... What do you think? --Alexia Death 21:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It's an interesting idea. I especially like that such a system, unlike the common practice of barnstars, would promote these awards as a community consensus process. Hopefully, this would avoid award cheapening that has been somewhat of a problem with the common barnstars.
In interests of symmetry, I would also propose a countering process: a project member can oppose any such award, and the awarding will not be done unless there are at least twice as many supporters as there are opponents. Digwuren 21:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I would go for at least three supporters. Also, users should be listed somewhere - probably section on main project page, with name and short explanation? Sander Säde 06:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
It might get long there(hopefully). I think a subpage of project page with all the nominees over time would do. That page can then be linked along with last three award recipients on the main page and also linked from the award template allowing quick reference for official status of the award.--Alexia Death 06:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
As no one disagrees with these rules - perhaps it is time to write them "formally" down - barnstar template talk might be a good idea - and give Colchicum his barnstar? Sander Säde 18:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Ive set up the holders page here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Estonia\Award_of_the_Soaring_Swallow_holders. Now template needs to be adjusted with this link.

Notice of Estonia-related RfD

This is a courtesy notice that there is an RfD discussion going on right now; Republic of Estonia (1918-1940) currently points at History of Estonia, and is the redirect up for discussion. See the 10 July 2007 RfD page, specifically the Republic of Estonia (1918-1940) → History of Estonia section. BigNate37(T) 19:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

President/State Elder

According to [[5]], it was determined in 1922 that the official translation of "Riigivanem" is "President". Therefore shouldn't we merge State Elder of Estonia into President of Estonia and have State Elder of Estonia as a redirect? Martintg 02:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Taking requests for photos of objects in Estonia

I like to take weekend car trips and have a decent camera so if you need pictures of birthplaces, buildings, natural phenomena or anything else please ask. As I'm based in southern Estonia Those requests will get filled first.--Alexia Death 12:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

  • I added appropriate heading to the main project page. Everyone who finds some image missing could report it there. Suva 12:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Tallinn

It would be great if a speaker of Estonian would translate et:Tallinna vapp into English. Based on the images I've seen, the lions (or leopards) of Tallinn seem to be crowned while the similar figures in the coat of arms of Estonia don't wear crowns. Has this distinction always existed? There is more information on http://www.tallinn.ee/est/g2673 Thanks in advance for any help. Valentinian T / C 16:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Ive translated it as Coat of arms of Tallinn, but I dont know how to move the pictures...--Alexia Death 19:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Download and upload. We also need SVG version of that. The PNG version is not sufficient. Anyone up for some tracing? :) Suva 19:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Aren't the images already on Commons? In that case we can link directly to those images from here, but yes, SVGs would be nice. I've tried to copyedit the text, and I hope the meaning survived. :) Valentinian T / C 20:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Estonian Football

Can someone please have a look at Special:Contributions/Akqj? This new user has produced articles on a number of Estonian football teams and I have no desire to see them deleted (I'm about to decline a speedy on HK Talinna) but the articles themselves can't survive in the state they are in. Is it possible for some kind soul to help Akqj work through this? I'll also cross post this at wikiproject football. Thanks. Spartaz Humbug! 22:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the articles are actually about ice hockey, not football. I saw them and tagged them as well, however, I have no knowledge whatsoever about ice hockey, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable can assess the notability of those articles? Sander Säde 23:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Award nomination: Colchicum (talk · contribs)

I would like to nominate Colchicum for the Soaring Swallow Award for his excellent work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Estonia. Obviously, the awarding itself would be pending until the rules get worked out. This should be a case so obvious I hope finding two (and perhaps more) seconders won't be hard. Digwuren 21:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Supported. Sander Säde 04:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Supported :) --Alexia Death 05:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Supported E.J. 07:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Supported Suva 05:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

This has been delayed for almost three weeks. I'll hand the award now, on behalf of WikiProject Estonia. Digwuren 15:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It has been done: User talk:Colchicum#Award of the Soaring Swallow. I tweaked the template a bit, too, to fit more information. Digwuren 15:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Estonian language translations

Hello WP-EE! I edit several language Wikipedia and also trade translation services on Cucumis.org, where I translate from several European languages into English, and I obtain high-quality translations by others for use on Wikipedia. Cucumis.org needs translators fluent in Estonian. Particularly Estonian -> English and English -> Estonian. (Most translators can work well in only one direction.) If you want to help us, or obtain our help, please join us here. Thanks! --Una Smith 14:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Estonian-Italian speaking users?

Hello, everybody. I'm a user from the Italian Wikipedia. I'm here to ask whether there are users who are able to speak in Estonian and Italian. If not, maybe you can still help us writing, in english, in my user page or in the deletion page of the voice Valle Kutsherla, the page we are trying to save. It's about a vallery called Kutsherla or Kucerla or... we-don't-know ^^ We can't find infos using google, maybe you could tell us something more about it. Thank you, --Ginosal 23:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Followup: I identified the valley in question as that of the river Kucherla (Russian: Кучерла, Estonian: Kutšerla) in the mountains of Altai. Apparently, the confusion on Italian Wikipedia was caused by a critical source being transliterated through Estonian. I do not know if it helped, but I suspect not, as it:Valle Kutsherla appears to be deleted. Digwuren 10:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Might be useful...

Itching for Eestimaa: Let's Change the Topic, Shall We? How to talk with Russian nationalists. Might be useful for discussions here in WP.... Sander Säde 17:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The two templates?

Hi! How are the two different templates meant to be used? The one linked to from under "Tasks", and the one described under "Templates". I wanted to label Bernhard Schmidt as part of WikiProject Estonia, and got confused. Which template to use when? Reimgild 07:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello -- you should always use {{WikiProject_Estonia}} template, the other is an old template, adding that won't include the article to WP:E article list. I changed the link under "Tasks" and also replaced the template on Bernhard Schmidt.
BTW, we are getting very close to 1700 articles tagged with WP:E. Sander Säde 08:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Reimgild 10:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Terminology of administrative units — suitable to discuss here?

A central, authoritative table of English terminology to use (here in Wikipedia) for administrative units of Estonia would be a useful thing.

Some time ago, I made quite many changes — corrections, I thought — from "Commune" to "Parish", according to the mentioned consensus on Talk:Municipalities of Estonia. Today, when doing a few more such changes, I happened to look at Talk:Municipalities of Estonia again, and found that the consensus was lately disputed (by two anonymous users, but referring to an authoritative body). The main problem raised there was that "Parish" might be more useful for kihelkond, and that vald would then need some other translation, perhaps "Municipality", which would be in line with using e.g. Sollentuna Municipality for what in Swedish is called Sollentuna kommun (where Commune would actually also sound natural). At about the same time, I found another pretty large set of articles — Category:Villages in Estonia — where the word "Commune" is used frequently. Before going on with correcting them, I would like to feel assured that Parish is the consensus. I have not really found any discussion leading up to the consensus, but only the mention of "consensus" on Talk:Municipalities of Estonia.

Perhaps here — the Talk page of WikiProject Estonia — would be a good place to discuss not only "Parish", but all administrative units at once? Then this would be the place to refer to (from other talk pages, and in edit comments later on). Or would this discussion be too big to keep at one place? Subdiscussions on different terms could well arise and be quite long. However, to keep at least the results of the discussions here (or somewhere), as a central table of terms, would be useful.

Let's perhaps first meta-discuss the topic here in this section — i.e. let's discuss here whether it is suitable to discuss the terminology of all administrative units here. If the answer seems to become "yes", then the actual discussion could be under a new header, for example simply "Terminology of administrative units". Reimgild 06:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Some pages that relate to this discussion:
While "kihelkond" is the translation for "parish", so is "vald" [6] [7]
Another online dictionary has vald<->parish [8], [9] Martintg 11:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
According to my Estonian-English Dictionary by Paul F. Saagpakk:
  • vald 1.parish (= civil parish); (suure kihelkonna alajaotus) township; commune; 2. (võim) power;
Martintg 10:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Laulev revolutsioon

Laulev revolutsioon on ühest küljest Eesti ajaloo seisukohalt väga oluline sündmus, teisest küljest multidistsiplinaarne ja sadu, kui mitte tuhandeid artikleid hõlmav ning kolmandast küljest puudutab ka teisi Balti riike. Kas nende kriteeriumite põhjal on mõistlik eraldi WikiProjekt sisse seada? Digwuren 14:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Project tags on categories

See all WP:E articles. We have quite a lot of categories tagged with WP:E tag (easy to see, as thanks to the script they have redlink talk pages), but I am unsure if these should be included to project or not. Any ideas, comments or suggestions? Sander Säde 11:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Resolved by tagging them as Category-Class Estonia articles. -- Sander Säde 08:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Question

An editor posed a question at Talk:Long_and_short_scales#Estonia about your country's choice of numbering systems. Thoughts? MrZaiustalk 11:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Answered the question in the article.H2ppyme 20:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Award nomination: Termer (talk · contribs)

I am hereby nominating Termer for the Soaring Swallow Award for his excellent work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Estonia. Digwuren 14:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Supported His always sourced contributions sorely need recognition.--Alexia Death the Grey 15:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Support to be honest, he is one of the few editors in wikipedia who really cares about sources. Suva 10:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Support, he deserves recognition for his excellent efforts. Martintg 12:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Support per above. More than month has passed, isn't it high time someone presented the award? Oth 11:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Awarded the barnstar, apparently it was just forgotten due to the ArbCom mess. Sorry! -- Sander Säde 06:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narova

Is there such a people? Thanks--victor falk 23:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Bloomfield articles and the Signpost

Per SEWilco's prompting on my talk page, I thought I'd note here, for the benefit of those who may not be aware of it, that the Wikipedia Signpost has been tipped about a number of recent and ongoing AfD debates regarding Estonia-related articles created by Bloomfield and his sockpuppets. It's possible that something on the subject might appear in an upcoming issue of the Signpost. If you have some information that you feel might be useful to the Signpost editors, you can mention it on the page linked to above. (Disclaimer: I'm not in any way connected with the Signpost, and in fact I'm only tangentially involved in the whole issue here.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Vanatühi

There's an ongoing discussion on the deletion of the Vabatühi article, and your input would be of value. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 11:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Estonia

Hi everyone, just to let you know I've been working on the Estonian Portal and introduced lots of new sections. Hopefully this will draw in editors to the WikiProject and showcase off some of the good work being done by its members. If anyone has any suggestions for the selected article, selected picture or ''selected biography then feel free to bring it up on the relevant section of the portal. Many thanks, Seaserpent85 16:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

House of Representatives of Ethnic Minorities of Estonia

Hey, there seems to be some sort of group named like that which makes strong claims and publishes long essays in russian language media. What is the legal status of this organisation? I can't find any references on it in business registers or even a decent homepage. How can "House of Representatives" be not registered anywhere, who does it actually represent that way? Either way RJ CG seems to know a lot about it. Maybe he can answer the question. Suva Чего? 10:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Flag of Governorate of Estonia ??

Flag of Eastland???

I have noticed that recently the flag was [10] removed from the article Governorate of Estonia with the summary A bogus flag?. Still the flag is present on both Commons commons:Image:Eestimaa värvid.svg and Estonian wiki et:Pilt:Eestimaa värvid.svg. I was not able to find references to that flag outside the wiki space. AFAIK governorates of Russian Empire did not have official flags.

Can somebody research the topic. If it is a hoax the images should be deleted from commons and et-wiki. If the image is historical it probably desrves a few words in the Governorate of Estonia article (even if not the official flag of the governorate) Alex Bakharev (talk) 10:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Resurrected articles

Estonia 1990-1991, Soviet Republic of Soldiers and Fortress-Builders of Nargen -- weren't these deleted some time ago? First one created originally by Petri Krohn or both? Oth (talk) 19:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I placed a speedy delete template for the first article, it is a recreation of the one deleted in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Republic_of_Estonia_(1990-1991) and redirected the second to Naissaar, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soviet Republic of Naissaar Martintg (talk) 20:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)