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[edit] Main image

Any ideas for a central project image to place on the project page and the project banner? I think we should go with either the flag (I have already added this, at least for the time being) or a skyline image. Cheers, Rai-me 22:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, if we are looking for something that truly is the symbol of Dubai, it would have to be the Burj Al Arab. But, I would be happy with the just the flag. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 01:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the choice of Burj Al Arab, although in time, Burj Dubai may become even more appropriate. I have changed the image for the project page, but perhaps for the banner we could incorporate both the flag and the Burj Al Arab? Cheers, Rai-me 02:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I do not want to be rude, but do you think that this image is used too many times? Although it is only used on seven mainspace articles, I feel as though I have seen it everywhere. A change in scenery would be nice. Also, if we can get an image that is not used anywhere else, it might become a symbol for the WikiProject Dubai. Whenever people see that image, they will know who maintains it. I do not know, it is just an idea. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 02:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
How about this image then? It only appears in two mainspace articles, and IMO is just as aesthetically pleasing. Cheers, Rai-me 14:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
After thinking about this for some time, I have decided that the best image to include would be the flag. I do not know why, but I do not want an image. I feel that the flag will suit this project better than an image. How does that sound? Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 02:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
How about the flag for the project banner and the sunset/Burj Al Arab image for the project page? Cheers, Rai-me 01:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
That sounds perfect. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 01:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quality of articles

I did a quick article tag yesterday and wow. It appears before the inauguration of this project, many Dubai articles were edited haphazardly (which may explain why many Dubai or Dubai-related articles go up for Afd). Although notability is not an issue in some articles, I saw too many articles that had one or more of the following issues: Unencyclopedic content (advertising, tone, linkspam), bad layout / messy (e.g. no sections, sprawling galleries, un-wikified content), laundry lists, neutrality (POV issues), out-of-date info, unreferenced / not enough citations, orphan (lack of internal links to article) and unchecked vandalism. It seems like the Dubai building list will be the only Dubai list / article that is Featured-status for a long timne. Just so every member knows. Cheers. Trance addict 02:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

An example, which is a disaster. Cheers. Trance addict 03:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

I have a question about which types of articles fall under the WP:DUBAI category. Would a company that is based in Abu Dhabi (i.e. Etisalat), but has a strong presence in Dubai (and the whole UAE), be apart of this Project? Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 19:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

And, I tagged certain templates and categories with {{WikiProject Dubai}}. Should I have done this, or is the template only for articles? Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 19:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I would say that if a company has a strong presence in Dubai, then it can be tagged as a part of this project. And I don't think templates and categories should be tagged with the current project banner, which should be reserved for articles; usually, new templates are created for tagging templates, images, and categories. Cheers, Rai-me 21:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 21:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dubai skyscrapers: merger proposals

Since there are so many articles which are under consideration for merging, I have decided to list them all here. Discussion can continue here rathere than one each building's indvidual page. Basically, the goal is to merge almost all building page that ends in a number or Roman numeral into an article about a larger complex. Some exceptions include Khalid Al Attar Tower 2 and Dubai Gate 1, which do not seem to be a part of larger complexes. Please feel free to add to the list oif you find any buildings that can be merged that I missed. Rai-me 14:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the merger of all these articles into their own complex. Since most of the buildings have the same features and the same height, it would be wise to condense them. Also, maintenance will be easier. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 18:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

One more:

I think a merger would be okay since all other buildings are being merged, and due to the status of WTC, Petronas, etc. But, if we did merge them, then we should have different sections for each building within the article. And for Jumeirah Emirates Towers Hotel, instead of just referring to the building, we can also add information about the hotel. It is considered one of Dubai's best hotels, so it deserves some attention. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 18:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

May I add one? I think all the articles dealing with the Burj Dubai complex should be merged:

Burj Dubai and Dubai Mall and Burj Dubai Lake Hotel & Serviced Apartments into either the Burj Dubai page or maybe a new page called Burj Dubai Complex. Stevv (talk) 03:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose: These three buildings (and many others) are a part of the same complex (Downtown Dubai). But, they are too notable to be merged. Also, they are not as similar to many of the buildings found above that deserve to be merged. They are completely different buildings that have different heights, look completely different, and do not share the same podium as many other buildings do. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 23:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
You are right... maybe have one big page for the whole complex and keep the seperate articles? Or would that not even be worth it? Stevv (talk) 13:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we should keep them separate pages, but an article on Downtown Dubai should definitely be created. The only building that may be worth merging into a Downtown Dubai article is Burj Dubai Lake Hotel & Serviced Apartments; it would be fine if that building were merged into an article about the larger complex. But the tallest building in the world and the world's largest mall should be kept separate. Cheers, Rai-me 14:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
All right, that sounds fair. Stevv (talk) 21:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Building article renovation

I think many Dubai building articles need to be renovated. Right now, many of them have just one link under external links and that link usually is to Emporis. Shouldn't we change this header to Reference and then properly format that 'external link' as a reference with footnotes. ({{Cite web}}, maybe, or {{Cite news}}?). It sure looks more professional like that. Cheers. Trance addict 08:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, this should be the case for all skyscraper articles. Cheers. Trance addict 08:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. It would also prevent them from becoming AFDs, because they would be clearly sourced. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 06:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, per this AFD, even if Emporis and SkyscraperPage are sourced as footnotes in a {{reflist}}, many editors still feel that they are "self-referencing skyscraper websites" and are therefore unveriable. I am concerned about this, as the majority of skyscraper articles rely heavily on these two sites, making several subject to deletion. As a side note, I definitely agree with changing the "External links" section to "References" (or "Notes", per some recent changes at MoS), but articles that are only a few sentences long with an infobox are not required to have inline citations; we could simply leave the links as general references. Cheers, Rai-me 13:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dubai Promenade

Is this mentioned in any articles already? If not, I'll try to make an article for it.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No, an article has not been created yet. I would advise that you wait. Since the project is by Nakheel, there is a major chance that it will be redesigned. You should probably wait until construction has progressed further. But, of course, here on Wikipedia you are free to create any article you want. Make sure you establish notability so that it is not deleted. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 01:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of companies of the United Arab Emirates

I have reformatted the list in order to improve it due to this Articles for deletion nomination. In compiling the list, I have firstly used the lists of companies which are listed on the Abu Dhabi Securities Market and the Dubai Financial Market, and have also added more well known privately owned companies which aren't listed on either stock exchange (Emirates for example). I have also attempted to add the Arabic names of these companies, however, due to not speaking Arabic, and not being able to read Arabic script, I am unsure whether the Arabic names are correct. Perhaps another editor/s who are fluent in Arabic could check the Arabic name and confirm they are correct and correct where necessary. For those companies listed on the Abu Dhabi market, I have used the official listing of companies from the AUH market, and for those companies listed on the Dubai market, I have used their list. Other companies, I have used the corresponding article on the Arabic WP, or their articles (if they exist).

Additionally, I have narrowed the scope of the list, as it was a spam magnet. As part of narrowing the scope, I have moved the page from List of companies in the United Arab Emirates to it's current location, List of companies of the United Arab Emirates; of the UAE denoting that these are companies which are domiciled in the UAE, meaning that the company is legally an UAE entity. An editor added Halliburton, as they have HQ in the UAE, however, Halliburton is domiciled in the USA, and is therefore not a company of the UAE, but rather of the USA. Additionally, companies listed on the UAE stock exchanges do not automatically gain entry onto this list, as some of these companies are domiciled in Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi, Oman, etc. I have also removed TV stations for the time being, as some of these stations were simply TV stations (particularly satellite ones), not companies, but feel free to add the owners of these companies, of course if they are UAE domiciled companies, and they are notable. Which leads to my last point, unless the company is notable, and is likely to obtain an article in the future, don't simply add it, without discussing on the talk page first, this will eliminate the spam links.

And lastly, if anyone has access to the Industry Classification Benchmark, perhaps they could fill in the missing gaps in the tables. --Russavia (talk) 15:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, great job! AreJay (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Project tagging

Has there ever been a comprehensive project tagging for WP Dubai? I know I tagged like a few hundred articles with the project banner, but I don't think anyone else has done much in terms of tagging. Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 04:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Your tagging of Dubai-related articles is the closest we have to a "tagging spree" for Dubai. No one else has done as much tagging as you. But, whenever I encounter an article that does not have a tag, I usually add one. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 00:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)