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[edit] FCI classifications
Any thoughts? -- sannse 11:46 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)
- I have no fundamental problem with using the FCI groups as our structure, but to be fair to North Americans, we should be sure to map the US/UK to their FCI equivalents. This means that the group list should become a table, e.g.
| FCI group | AKC Group | CKC Group | UKKC(?) Group | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pointing Dogs | Sporting Group | Sporting Group | Gundog |
Do you mean the list of groups should be a table, or that each of the group pages should include a table? The only problem I see is that the groups are not always equivalent. As well as there being more groups in the FCI, there are discrepancies between the groups dogs are in. The Little Lion Dog for example is in the Toy group for the FCI and the UK but the Non-sporting/Utility for the US (I haven't found info on the groups in Canada yet.)
Maybe we need to have pages for each of the classification systems. With the tables on the individual breed pages (which would list the groups) the comparisons should be easy to make. This seems to be a long-term job though, the alphabetical listing is enough work for now! -- sannse 20:53 Feb 7, 2003 (UTC)
- I was originally suggesting that we form a table with the leftmost column containing the FCI taxonomy, and the other columns containing the closest match from the other taxonomy. I figured this would roughly work, seeing as the FCI taxonomy has more meat to it than the others.
- The bottom line is that I don't care how it is formatted, as long as its clear. I do, however, want to allow people to navigate by the (possibly) more familiar group names from AKC, CKC and the UKKC(?).
- As far as the individual dog pages, I say we colaborate in your sandbox on a template, then start propagating it.
- matt 02:04 Feb 8, 2003 (UTC)
Yes, a table of comparisons in that way should work well, good idea. You're right that we need to make it easy for people to find the more familiar groups.
[edit] Breeds table
Play away on the table in my sandbox, let me know when you think it works. It looks like Dante hasn't been around for a couple of weeks but hopefully he'll be in soon and have a look too.
BTW, I think the best abbreviation for the UK Kennel Club is going to be "KC(UK)". Otherwise it will be too easily confused with the United Kennel Club in America.
sannse 11:02 Feb 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll play with the table offline in a HTML editor and come up with a prototype. I also took some dog pictures today, to start filling in articles :-)
- matt 02:06 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
How do you see the link to the standards working? Should we link directly to the standard for the respective breed on each kennel club page? Can we do that? Or were you thinking of linking to the breed list pages for each club, rather than the specific page for each breed? (as you have for the AKC)
Thanks for catching the mistake in the HTML, one day I'll get these table thingies right ;)
sannse 21:18 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
- I've put how I am seeing it work on Vizsla. I was thinking that the link to the standard residing on the official site is the best plan. If we don't, we'll simply end up with a "external links" section at the bottom of each page. I think this a good thing to do.
- matt 00:52 Feb 11, 2003 (UTC)
Looks good! I think that will work really well. I've added (external links) after the heading on that section of the table. I know the link colour is different but I think we need to warn people they are going off site. That's a very beautiful dog you have BTW :)
sannse 13:17 Feb 11, 2003 (UTC)
- How should we warn people of offsite links without consuming too much space? Thanks for the compliment :-) I know he is a good representation of his breed because I got him from a very reputable breeder. I hope to update the picture with an adult shot in about 6 months. matt 05:57 Feb 12, 2003 (UTC)
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- Oh...I see how you dealt with the external link problem. That works - good catch! matt 05:59 Feb 12, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Capitalisation of breed names
I'm confused about the capitalisation of dog breeds. The book I have capitalises all words for some breeds (e.g. Great Dane), the first only for others (Karelian bear dog) and none for others (otterhound). Any idea how this should work? sannse 08:31 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)
- I think the breed name should at least have the first letter of the name capitalized, e.g. Otterhound, but for cases like Karelian bear dog I think you need to look around at a couple sources and see if the bear dog part is a normative part of the name. If it is indeed normative, I say capitalize each word. matt 20:17 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Adding new breeds
Discussion moved to Talk:List of dog breeds
sannse 22:13 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Article style: pronouns
I've noticed that some articles use male pronouns (he, his etc) when refering to both sexes of the breed. I relise that this is common practice among kennel clubs and the like, but is this correct form for Wikipedia?
