Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Devon

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Nice to see the page up! Birddrz 20:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Now I've suddenly got more time, I can fill it with seeing to this (when not writing about obscure corners of Africa, that is). Totnesmartin 20:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Article tagging

Now that the article talk page template has been created, we need to tag all appropriate articles. User:Totnesmartin has already started doing this. We should probably tag all articles in Category:Devon and its subcategories. I'd recommend that we each do a subcategory at a time, and we announce here which categories have been done. Also, it'd be nice if when tagging articles we look through the article first to see if we have any suggestions for improvement to put in the talk page template's suggestions parameter. -Safalra 18:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

yes, I'm giving each article a quick butcher's to see what needs doing (although my knowledge of the north is rather limited I'm afraid!) Totnesmartin 18:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I've put a list of all relevant categories at Wikipedia:WikiProject Devon/Categories. As we tag the articles within the categories we should move the categories from the 'untagged' list to the 'tagged 'list. -Safalra 20:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who's in and who's out?

I was going to tag Beth Gibbons but realised that, apart from being born here, she has no other connection to Devon. Should we tag people whose Devon-ness is irrelevant to their achievements? Totnesmartin 19:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess that depends on whether we would regard improvement of that article as helping Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to Devon. Just to make things simple I'd tag any article in a category listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Devon/Categories, with the exceptions of the obviously Cornish articles in Category:Scenic railway lines in Devon and Cornwall. - Safalra 20:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
There are 20 categories on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Devon/Categories that are of the form People from [somewhere in Devon]. Tagging all these people will take a long time, and many of them are only linked to these places by being born there. Therefore, I'd now suggest we only tag people whose connection to Devon is stronger than just being born here. - Safalra 20:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parliament Street, Exeter

The Parliament Street, Exeter article needs some sort of picture, to show to fact that it is the narrowest street in the world. I would do it myself but I don't intend to go into Exeter anytime soon, so if anyone is in the area it would be handy to have some sort of picture. Birddrz 21:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

perhaps one of us could ask an Exeter-based friend to take a pic and email it. Actually that would be a good idea for any part of Devon. Totnesmartin 13:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Are we certain this is the narrowest street in the world? It's not the only street claiming that:
* http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/298895 "Another view of the narrowest street in the world. This street has a street name plaque on the left wall of this picture and also commands a post code. The records show that this is the narrowest street in the world to have an official name and street name plaque."
* http://gocentralamerica.about.com/od/belizeguide/a/Placencia.htm "Placencia’s Main Street sidewalk has earned the distinction as the World’s Narrowest Street in the Guinness Book of World Records!"
- Safalra 20:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

We should try to get this claim (Exeters) cited then Birddrz 12:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, today a friend of mine was visiting Exeter, and I asked her to photograph Parliament Street. Should get the pics tomorrow to put up. Totnesmartin 21:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh for ----! My friend asked Tourist Information in Exeter where Parliament Street is. They'd never heard of it. So, sorry, no pics. Totnesmartin 15:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wanted Images

This makes me wonder if it might be an idea to create a list of wanted images at Wikipedia:WikiProject Devon/Wanted images. We could group wanted photographs by area, and then a committed member of the project could take the photographs when they next happen to be in the appropriate area. --Safalra 21:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea. Perhaps we could ask people outside Wikipedia as well (although we'd have to explain about the copyright issue). Totnesmartin 21:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I've set up the wanted images page. Change it if you think it needs changing, I'm not precious about it. Totnesmartin 22:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on Commons quite a bit at present. I think there are quite a few more Devon images there than I had realised although not well cat'ed (which is what I am trying to do among other things). It is best to place images in Commons so that they are available for use widely. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 08:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
There are quite a few images in Commons that are Devon ones that were not/are not in the category. I've added quite a few today and will continue to do so. May be worth a while browsing that category on Commons (the sub categories are quite random at present but I'll work on that after I've got them into the Devon category at least so that they can found) - cheers --Herby talk thyme 17:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] William Bligh

Should we include him in the Project? As he was born in Plymouth, but from then on it seems his fame was more because of him being mutineered on the Bounty, what do you others think? Full article here Birddrz 23:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we really need people to have a stronger link to Devon than just having been born here. As I've mentioned above, there are about 20 categories of the form People from [place in Devon] (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Devon/Categories for the full category list), and many of these people have little connection to Devon other than it being their place of brith. --Safalra 12:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parliamentary constituencies in Devon

Greetings from the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies. I notice a constituency article has been tagged by your project. Looking at the Politics of Devon category I see that only a few Devon constituencies are currently included. I have been working on a series about the Parliamentary representation of the different historic counties which should (hopefully) provide a complete list of constituencies, with links to existing articles for them. When I do the Devon article I will include it in the Politics of Devon category so you can identify the other Devon seats for your project. --Gary J 21:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Parliamentary representation from Devon is now available, with listings of both current and historic constituencies. --Gary J 00:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inferiority complex

Just a little bit of sounding off from me - yet another 'Plymouth should direct to a disambiguation page' comment has appeared on the Plymouth talk page - obviously you can laugh it off, but it does make me go 'rrrrrrrrrr'. I'm afraid Plymouth is up against various obscure American Plymouths, and they think they're more important. For me, if London, Birmingham, Boston and Charlotte aren't disambiguations, Plymouth shouldn't be. When they are, Plymouth can be.172.209.84.63 21:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC) (Stevebritgimp - not signed in).

I couldn't agree more. I've just been reading the, er, North American perspective and quite frankly feel like tearing some hair out. I don't want to resort to shouting American stereotypes about them thinking they're the centre of the universe... but the attitudes expressed on that discussion page are biased to the point of being xenophobic. One American has stated 75% (yes, you read that right) of people clicking on the Plymouth page would not wanted to have gone there. Argh. Okay. Rant over. Suriel1981 07:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
This one continues to bubble - there's a related straw poll in the Worcester talk page. I almost don't want to be a part of something that insists that an important location has to be relegated to among all its namesakes basically because of a lack of imagination on the parts of the people who founded them. Also, more fundamentally I feel it comes down to a sort of isolationism that US citizens never have to learn about anywhere except their own country. There is no hard policy in this area - it just comes down to indefinite arguments about notability. Stevebritgimp 23:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Priority articles

I don't think WikiProject Devon is big enough yet to institute an assessment division, but I do think it would be a good idea to produce a list of high priority articles that we should try to get to Featured Article status (and at the very least Good Article status) as soon as possible. I would suggest the following list as a start:

Any other suggestions?

--Safalra 15:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

That should be enough, if we have too many it would go against the idea - to concentrate on a few articles. Totnesmartin 16:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've added them to the main project page under 'priority articles'. --Safalra 17:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox flag straw poll

Hello fellow editors. A straw poll has opened today (27th March 2007) regarding the use of flags on the United Kingdom place infoboxes. There are several potential options to use, and would like as many contrubutors to vote on which we should decide upon. The straw poll is found here. If joining the debate, please keep a cool head and remain civil. We look forward to seeing you there. Jhamez84 11:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Devon

Hello all. I just started Portal:Devon and I think I may need some help with it. This is the first time I have created a portal and I think I'm already abit over my head. If anyone would like to help I would welcome it greatly.--Lord Balin 05:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

please could someone cover mount edgecombe im surprized its not on wiki just about everyone in plymouth knows mount edgecombe though it is in cornwall

im going to start on mount edgecombe now if you want to join it will be called mount edgecombe (cornwall)

[edit] People from Categories

A discussion has been opened at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London#Category:People from Ealing by district about upmerging local area categories for People from... into current local government boundaries only. This could have implications across the whole of England if carried through. Your are invited to join the discussion. The proposer is planning a massive merge by 22nd June if no objections are received. --Regan123 11:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] South West Coast Path

There is a proposal that the South West Coast Path article should be rewritten. At present it is largely long lists of towns, villages, and places of interest. If you can help turn these lists into prose, could you join in at Talk:South West Coast Path. Thanks. Geof Sheppard 07:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Janner - article could be deleted

The Janner article, which is a sorry little specimen, is currently going through another bi-annual deletion event. I have said Keep on the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Janner page. There is also another possibility that it gets transwiki-ed to Wiktionary (I think I understand that).

This article, wherever it ends up, desperately needs some sources to show that it is a real term and not a neologism or other nonsense. However this does mean someone finding source material (maybe in a library or bookshop). I'm stuck for inspiration at present.

Stevebritgimp 16:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll check at the library tomo-- on Monday, but sadly Totnes libe is about the size of a cupboard. However, I'll ask, and take notes. Totnesmartin 17:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that the article has survived (Just - No consensus is nowt to celebrate) we shouldn't be complacent; some articles get the AfD process a second time because no improvements were made. If anyone is in, or visiting, Plymouth (you poor souls), a visit to the library would seem to be in order. Totnesmartin 18:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] River Otter

I've been adding facts and photos to the River Otter page which could, I suggest, have the Tumbling Weir page brought in to form part of it rather than being separate. What does anyone else think? - Tony in Devon 15:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

  • 5 September - expires 10 September
    • North Devon Show (PROD by User:B. Wolterding; "The North Devon Show is an agricultural show in North Devon that has been around since 1966.") --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lundy

Hi, Lundy is currently up for GA & has receieved the reviewers comments which means it needs some work this week if anyone has any time to help?— Rod talk 08:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Lundy has just passed its GA assessment.— Rod talk 20:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plymouth

There's much indignation in Talk:Drake Circus and Talk:Drake Circus Shopping Centre: a lot more heat than light. Both articles have been sprotected (not by me), but when one username emerges from a three-day block and another becomes four days old (was it?), more excited edits are likely. Perhaps somebody with access to back issues of regional newspapers, etc., could help. (Me, I'm a very long way away. And I'm pretty ignorant: I hadn't even known that Plymouth was in Devon.)

Sorry but I shan't be watching this project discussion page. I leave this issue or non-issue in your hands. -- Hoary 06:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinhay Bay & Pinhay Cliffs

Hi, Way back in Dec 2005 stubs were created for Pinhay Bay & Pinhay Cliffs stating they are in Somerset. I was trying to do some clean up for WikiProject Somerset & was going to merge them (I put merge tags on a couple of months ago) but I can't find any record, map or whatever for Pinhay Bay or Pinhay in Somerset - the only ones I can find are in Devon near the border with Dorset, just west of Lyme Regis & the village of Pinhay - can anyone on this project confirm they are in Devon rather than Somerset & then we can edit them & you can decide whether to merge them or whatever?— Rod talk 20:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guidelines

Hello WikiProject Devon,

Just a note that I've added the WP:UKCITIES standard under the heading "Guidelines" to bring this project inline with the rest of the UK's county projects. It's a style guide developed at UK geography WikiProject in partnership with WP:CITIES (and endorssed by all the major county projects) for use on facilitating the development and standard layout of British settlements. Hope it helps! -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] South West Coast Path (again)

Just to let you know South West Coast Path is now a good article candidate - please help to improve it if you can.— Rod talk 08:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

That's excellent, considering the complaint about it further up this page! Totnesmartin (talk) 10:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dartmouth Station

Having just started this article, Dartmouth railway station, on the grounds that a railway station which has never had any tracks has to be notable, I draw it to the attention of your project for possible further work from those more knowledgeable than me. Britmax (talk) 12:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Devon Flag

Hello people - just mentioning ongoing Devon Flag issue, which we must have heard of given as it's our project symbol. There is a low level edit war of sorts occurring on the issue of whether the Devon Flag is dedicated to St Petroc. Given that this flag is an unofficial one, it could be said it can have no dedication. But then these things grow up through custom - there may not have been an actual meeting dedicating the yellow and black flag to St David, or the red and white to St George. So I'm not going to revert edits removing this factoid, but at the same time I can accept the dedication. However it would be good if there was some reasoning or citation to it, at least to dissuade the continuous deletions. As a starting point I know the poem written in honour of the flag included mention of St Petroc. The poem was taken out of the article as it is effectively copyright material. However mentioning the fact wouldn't be. Is there any other background to the flag? As an aside I have restored the flag to the Devon page. This was also deleted by an IP editor. Dydh da ;) Stevebritgimp (talk) 21:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The Flag Institute dot org list it as St Petroc's Cross - which is good enough for me - I'll try adding that as a cite, but I'm sure this one will run and run. Stevebritgimp (talk) 22:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I say Broadclyst, you say Broad Clyst

Someone has (rightly) proposed merging Broadclyst and Broad Clyst. Which one should survive? That is, which spelling is the commonest? Totnesmartin (talk) 19:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Google gives many more matches for the spelling without the space. In addition, those matches include Broadclyst Community Primary School, the Broadclyst community page at devon.gov.uk, Broadclyst Baptist Church. —Safalra (talk) 18:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
I've done the merge, Broadclyst wins. Totnesmartin (talk) 20:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exmoor FAC & Grand Western Canal GAC

Exmoor is now a FA candidate. If anyone has any comments please add them at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Exmoor . Also Grand Western Canal is now a GA candidate.— Rod talk 12:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of editing the project page to show Exmoor is now a featured article.— Rod talk 21:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photographs of courts

If any Devon-based photographers could take snaps of courts in their neck of the woods (e.g. Plymouth Crown & County Court, Barnstaple County Court (the Civic Centre), local magistrates courts - there's a photo of Exeter Combined Court Centre already) and add them to commons:Category:Courthouses in the United Kingdom, the photographs would be very much appreciated for List of courts in England and Wales and List of county courts in England and Wales. I'm also working on a list of closed courts, so photographs of former court buildings would be useful too. Thanks, BencherliteTalk 22:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Plymouth now added, thanks to Smalljim. BencherliteTalk 10:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of Torquay

Basically I've been working on this over the past year (aside from the Early Torquay bit which is essentially a total rip from the Devon History page, with a Torbay slant) on and off whenever I've been bored, if anyone has any comments to improve it, it would be great and also proof reading, as I'm sure it'll have it's fair share of grammatical and spelling mistakes due to myself typing too fast! Ajp100688 (talk) 18:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Union Street, Plymouth

Have added the project tag to the Union Street, Plymouth page. Something for someone with a relevant book and a couple of hours to spare - I was thinking it needed a decent bit of history putting into it. Apart from that I will continue to be slopey-shouldered until I find my library card. Stevebritgimp (talk) 22:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Museums in Devon

Could I ask for some help accessing local knowledge, from members of this wikiproject, on the behalf of the new WikiProject Museums? We are currently trying to identify articles within the Museum projects scope (& develop guidelines to help improve them etc). There is a List of museums in Devon. Could you take a look at the list for your local area and see if any are missing or create articles for any red links. Could you also add the new project banner "{{WikiProject Museums}}" to the Talk pages of the articles, so that we can identify those in need of work etc. Any help appreciated &, if anyone is interested you are welcome to join the project or discuss Museum related articles on the Project Talk Page.— Rod talk 14:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Devon navigation template

Would it be possible for this team to create and roll out a Template:Devon inline with the rest of England (as per this link)? Something like Template:Greater Manchester or Template:Oxfordshire would be great! --Jza84 |  Talk  12:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I make it about 63 towns excluding Plymouth and Exeter. I'll try and see if I can contact someone who knows how to make templates or if it's not too difficult I'll try myself! Bsrboy (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I've deleted ones which were villages from Category:Towns in Devon and added Plymstock and Sherford (there are 51 towns and 2 cities). I'm going to start work on the template! Bsrboy (talk) 15:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Finished! It can be seen here. I've started work on adding it to all the towns and cities in Devon. Bsrboy (talk) 16:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed Plymstock, because it's a parish and suburb of Plymouth - not a town. Bsrboy (talk) 16:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Removed Plympton, because it's a suburb of Plymouth - not a town. Bsrboy (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I've added it to all the unitary authorities, districts, towns and cities in Devon now. I hope it's what you requested, if you have any queries don't hesitate to ask! Bsrboy (talk) 17:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It looks great! I hope it serves its purpose of navigation well. Thanks Bsrboy. --Jza84 |  Talk  14:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Devon Portal

Hey guys. I think the Devon portal needs some work and it would be a great help if someone could help me. Im trying my best on there ;p. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 21:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of shipwrecks in 1982

I added this entry a while back -

Date Operator Ship Class Cause Location Notes
December 31 Flag of Panama Panama MS Johanna Hartland Point, Devon. Shipwrecked at Hartland Point, Devon.

But it has been deleted as unreferenced. The incident must have made the local papers at the time, is there anyone who can provide a reference for this? If enough info can be found, maybe even an article can be written about the ship. Does anyone know the IMO Number of the ship? (disussion copied at Ships Wikiproject) Mjroots (talk) 09:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How to eat a cream tea

There is an ongoing dispute(!) at Cream tea over the "proper" Devon way of eating it - cream first, or jam first. As you can imagine, this issue arouses strong passions. I (resident in Devon for 15 years but admittedly not "local") was always told that it was essential that the cream be put on the scone first, and the jam on top. The article reflected that doctrine until the last couple of days, when a "local" editor changed it round the other way. Can the massed ranks of Devon editors come to a consensus on this? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Culm Valley Light Railway

Having written an article on the above railway I would bring it to the attention of the project. I thank you. Britmax (talk) 09:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Devon/Assessment

Just thought I should let you all know that I've started an assessment page for this project. It's a big task and any help would be much appreciated! Meaty♠Weenies (talk) 19:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)