Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Derbyshire/Archive 1
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Introduction
Well I'd add the 7 or so names you have in the order they were. There are others around. A good logo would be good. We could use the Flag for now until we get a stronger one. Victuallers 17:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yeh. I was basically going to do a slightky modified version of that until i had more time, which will be next week sometime. A userbox will appear soon, as it is the simplest thing to do! Bluegoblin7 17:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
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Here's Mk. 1 of the Userbox. What do you think? Bluegoblin7 17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
In fact, I can do a bit of editing now, so I will pad out the page a bit, and then move it across when it's got enough info on it. It needs to be done sooner rather than later, because i can't create any more templates etc until that's done - i need a main WP page to link to! Bluegoblin7 17:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Well that'll be the two of us - is anyone else watching this page? ... Oh Allestree asked for an assessment. They are in the WikiProject England queue... anyone fancy doing it? Victuallers 09:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yeh ill tackle it! Bluegoblin7 10:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi
Hi all, I came to this page from Allestree and was wondering what i could do to help. Obviously this is just starting and still has a way to go to get functional. I'm relatively new and just wondering what I could do to help. Dommccas 00:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you can do whatever you want! There is still loads to do to get the project fully up and running - I'm working on most of the templates, but what would be really useful atm would be to make a list of all related articles and/or categories, and list them on the main page! Thanks, Bluegoblin7 10:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I am very active in the Cheshire Project (being the founding member of it), and have created a few of the templates we use in it. Please feel free to steal, adapt, and improve on any we have for the project. I've slipped into paying more attention to civil parishes than other matters, and, if people feel this would be a useful area for this Derbyshire project, I'll contribute in that way. I'm in the middle of doing some important editing and article creation on articles concerned with the History of Cheshire, and so I won't be able to devote all my wikipedia time to this. DDStretch (talk) 10:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- I am happy for you to do whatever you feel nesecary for the project! If it's radical, just mention it, if not, feel free to do it! By the way, the talk page banner is
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The article on WikipediaWikiProject Derbyshire/Archive 1 is supported by the Derbyshire WikiProject, which is an attempt to improve the quality and coverage of Derbyshire-related articles on Wikipedia. |
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or {{Project Derbyshire|class=??|Importance=??}}
Tagging, etc
(section created to help editing, etc)
Well i'll start listing pages. i'll also start tagging things as well. Is there anyway of listing all articles that are tagged as that would make everything a little easier. Also is there anywhere to put the listed articles. i'll whack them on the main page and go from there. The banner above looks very pretty but does seem to promote trams and such i would change it but i have no idea how to. Dommccas 14:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Try adding [[Category:Derbyshire]] to the article pages you want flagging up as being associated with Derbyshire. If you do this, then go to the page (just type Category:Derbyshire into the search bar and press "go"), you should eventually start seeing all pages which have been categorized as being in Derbyshire appear. You can produce sub-pages to this to separately categorize, say, "Towns in Derbyshire", "Villages in Derbyshire", etc etc. The categories should also appear when you view the articles. To see how we categorize things and where we place them in Cheshire, try looking at the source (as if you are going to edit) Chester, Haslington, Macclesfield, to get some ideas. Try going to Category:Cheshire to see how we've arranged the hierarchy of categories, too. (Is that what you meant, or is it something to do with the project template placed on the talk pages that you were thinking of?) DDStretch (talk) 14:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- I will start doing that but i was just wondering if you can access all articles that have been tagged with {{Project Derbyshire}}
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- You can, but it can be a bit tricky to set up. We've done it on Cheshire things. go to the page: Template:WikiProject Cheshire and look at the source (press edit, but don't actually edit anything, please). You can see that there is a lot of stuff added there that will categorize articles based on their quality and their importance (we actually use "Priority" in the names of the importance categories to let us know what priority to assign to the ones that are in most need of improvement). You end up with a set of categories that display articles according to their quality and priority, and there are default values for these if no assessment has been carried out. If people don't object, I could copy over that template and edit it to make it a Derbyshire one. There may be some tinkering around with it to get it to work, but let me know, and I'll try to do it if people think that would help. DDStretch (talk) 15:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Well that looks incredibly complicated so i think i'll leave it to you. i'm off to start tagging things which is much more simple.
Dommccas 15:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I think I've done it now. It needs to be used a bit to see whether it works well. So, assessments of the class and importance should be given to tagged articles like this: {{Project Derbyshire|class=start|importance=low}} (using the appropriate value for the class and importance fields.) Please note, it is important that "class" and "importance" are entered in small letters (no capital initial letter), or else the assessment of quality or importance won't be registered. I don't know how or whether it can be made so that either small or capital initial letters would be acceptable. DDStretch (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Just one thing. I have tagged all the categories because they are easy, yet when i try and tag something like Talk:Allestree there are a couple of lines of code generated at the bottom of the banner which read
[[Category: Derbyshire|Allestree]][[Category:Derbyshire|Allestree]]
This doesn't happen for categories but it does for others and unnrated ones (Talk:Allenton, Derbyshire). I would fix it but as i have already stated i know nothing :-) Dommccas 17:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok - I can see what you mean, and I've now seen it on, I think, other pages. What I've done is to to re-write the project banner. I think its functionality is identical to the old one, but it should now not cause any problems. The extra stuff already added will have to be removed by hand, but I hope that won't be too big a job. I hope that is satisfactory to people! DDStretch (talk) 12:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- Ah! I think it has removed the extra stuff automatically! DDStretch (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
What to do?
I saw that one of the first additions of our template brought in a new editor asking "What to do? I guess if we want more interest then adding templates to Derbyshire related articles is a good idea. EDitors can also have a go at assessment, but on other projects we ask that people discuss anything higher than a Start or higher than Mid .... hope that helps
- Can I also suggest that we REMOVE Project England templates. We need to do this or articles will get double counted.... and we are a sub-project of theirs. Victuallers 13:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- I enquired about this with respect to the Cheshire project, as on some of those articles, there are three templates: Cheshire, England, and UK geography. The general consensus was that multiple templates/assessments were no bad thing, but I must admit, the problem of mis-matches, and, as you have stated, double-counting did concern me. If you want to do it, perhaps it would be best if you were also a member of those projects so that it could be done by a member of the removed project? Just an idea, and not a requirement, though. DDStretch (talk) 13:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Hi i just added a to do list which i think looks cool. I added some of them off the top of my head a couple i stole from the to do list from Talk:Derbyshire. These all seem good ideas to start with but maybe need some way of cheecking if the've been done for specific articles (the infobox especially). Thinking about it i'll highlight the tagging one as that is the most important one at the mo. Dommccas 13:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Importance and quality
Thgis should probably go on the assessment talk page but i though i'd put it here for the moment. As is mentioned by ddstretch above other projects discuss anything higher than a mid or start for importance and class. Class is very nicely set out in the assessment page but importance is still based on UK Trams. I was wondering if we could have some kind of outline for importance. I'll outline a few here.
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Derbyshire, Chesterfield, Derby
- High
All districts of Derbyshire and suburbs of Derby
- Mid
All towns
I don't know if i'm stating the obvious. Dommccas 10:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
That's a good idea, I think. The list so far deals with the county itself (which should be Top priority) and cities/towns. Are there other geographical features, important estates, parks, and houses (Chatsworth, for example), rivers that should be given some importance criteria as well? How about History of Derbyshire? My thoughts are that Chatsworth House should be made at least mid importance (possibly at least a high importance), given its significance (it isn't tagged at all at the moment, I recall.) Peak District could also be given a Derbyshire tag, and I think its national importance would justify giving it at least a high importance. I also think History of Derbyshire should be given high importance as it deals with the entire county and tells about its founding, and important events in its history. Those are my thoughts for now. DDStretch (talk) 10:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm now working through Category:Buildings and structures in Derbyshire for something to do and i was thinking of aome general guidlines for importance.
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Most people in England will have heard of this eg Derbyshire and it has significant worldwide or nationwide importance
- High
Most people in Derbyshire will have heard of this. Or has wider national or worldwide significance such as Belper North Mill‎ as its a world heritage site.
- Mid
An area which is important on a local scale with countywide or national significance
- Low
Not many people will have heard of this outside of its sphere of interest with small local significance.
- None
A very specified area of interest with no local, countywide or national significance
This is just a start if anyone has any ideas on a more methodic way of specifying importance please amend that above. 12:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Portal:Derbyshire
On request of Bluegoblin7 I worked on the portal:Derbyshire I findished it as far as I could do without any knowledge about the subject. Because I did not get any feedback from the user, I made it as I thought it should be. If you want to be any technical changes, feel free to ask me. For the rest: Have much fun. --Thw1309 10:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry. I have just been really busy: It looks really good though - thanks loads for making it brilliant! =]! And, to everyone else, please continue to tag, expand and help with WikiProject Derbyshire! Bluegoblin7 10:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Portal is started thanks Victuallers 14:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
