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Contents 1 Proposed deletion: Silver (color) 2 Template:Shades of color 3 Dog coat color category 4 Color swatches, color wheel colors, and other strange stuff 5 Harlequin (color) 6 Human_rainbow 7 List of color topics 8 Unnotable color article clean-up 9 Template:Infobox Color 10 Is there a color called "Camel"? 11 Can someone help me color a link? 12 Pink

[edit] Proposed deletion: Silver (color)

Silver (color) (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-28)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 06:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Shades of color

I created a Template:Shades of color designed to standardize the various shades of ... templates and make them easier to maintain. autocollaspe should probably be enabled by default, but I need to set up some template parameters so that for example on the List of colors page they don't collapse there. I converted all the shades of templates that I'm aware of to using this new base template. PaleAqua (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dog coat color category

The article Coat (dog) has a large section on colors. I don't know if/who/how it should be added to the purview of this project, as is the horse coat article. But I think it merits it. Best, Shlishke (talk) 02:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Color swatches, color wheel colors, and other strange stuff

The color articles remain a confusing mess. The biggest contributor, User:Keraunos, collects unsourced trivia, makes up names, measures RGB numbers out of an old book, acts like "color wheel" is a unique thing, and adds ugly little color swatch templates along with factoid-laden info boxes and comparison strip charts to lots of color articles. As far as I can tell, he seldom engages in discussion, but I hereby invite him again.

The trouble is that this stuff is all presented as if true or verifiable, when it's mostly not. Within certain systems like the X11 or HTML colors, I think it's fine to present a sample and the numbers; they come across on a web browser as perfect examples of how the use of those named colors in web pages will appear. For pretty much anything else, the numbers don't make so much sense. The use of terminology like "Green (color wheel)" for codes like 00FF00 is based on a certain logic of an HSV or HSL color wheel to represent an RGB space, but is this any kind of standard or sourced terminology? If so, what's the source? He cites verizon for "Violet (color wheel)", but there's no such name on the page.

And what about that Texas stamp collectors' site that he likes to cite as a source for "NBS" color names and values? Sure, they measured the RGB of their scans of a bunch of stamp colors; but does that make it a reliable source for color data? I'm skeptical. Or he'll use sources like BF2S Forum for "electric violet" even that that page calls it "violet"; or hexcode for "deep violet" even though the hexcodes page doesn't have color names on it.

I'd like to hear what others thinks, and what direction we should take to improve things. Dicklyon (talk) 01:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for a top-down approach. As we fix up our most important articles we'll be better able to see what sources are and aren't out there on color, which will make every article better. However, I can see that some articles just don't belong on wikipedia and need to be merged or deleted as soon as possible. We should pick one to delete as a precedent and then systematically move through them all. Wrad (talk) 02:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that the information boxes should move away from being RGB/HSV centric to be include stuff like symbolism, common pigments and dies, wavelengths and frequencies (or complementary ones) if possible etc. I don't think that most articles should have more than one color infobox. And I think swatches should be in general removed and pictures added. Too many of the sources for color coordinates are arbitary, original research or contradictory. For example colourlovers is a website I've seen referenced a bit. It allows user color coordinate submissions, and often has numerous different entries for names if searched.

I do like what Wrad and others have done with the article on green. Perhaps we should nominate articles to focus on, similar to how green was brought forward. The list of colors in Basic Color Terms: Their Universality and Evolution, or even just focusing on the main articles for each of the shades of series in some order might be a good way to start that.

As for deleting or merging articles and sections, we probably need to come up with some clear guidelines on what to include and what that should not be included. Colors beginning with "Pale ...", "Deep ...", "Light ...", "Pastel ...", "Dark ...", "Medium ...", etc.. in general don't need there own article or even section. Also colors named after objects or things probably should not have there own page unless the color is notable separately (Orange would be one such notable color). I think my creation of the page Ivory (color) was probably on the borderline of this distinction and may have been a mistake in hindsight... PaleAqua (talk) 04:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been harboring a secret wish to make Primary colors a featured topic including Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. Wrad (talk) 04:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How about we agree to work on removing all the sections and infoboxes on colors that don't have a reliable source? In some cases the name and history is sourced, but not the info. In others, the name and all are unsourced. I often just take them out, but if we had consensus that this is a good direction, we might keep ahead of them. Dicklyon (talk) 04:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. We need some way to keep each other posted on what's going on, though, by way of AfDs, at least. Wrad (talk) 04:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I definitely approve of this effort. I asked someone with lots of AfD experience a few months ago, and it was suggested that the best approach is to put articles up in batches of a few at a time, so that AfD commentators/voters aren't overwhelmed. There are dozens of unsourced stub color articles which should rightfully be merged or deleted, so this will take a while. A good start is Category:WikiProject Color articles needing infobox sources, but that isn't all of them (and some of those may be worth keeping). --jacobolus (t) 13:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Just as an aside, Category:WikiProject Color articles needing infobox sources is now a hidden category, see Category:Hidden_categories for a little more information. While there is not general consensus yet on this, it appears that it is being used on all the lacking sources categories. The "Misc" / "Show Hidden Categories" tab of my preferences may be used to always display such categories at the bottom of articles. PaleAqua (talk) 22:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Harlequin (color)

Harlequin (color) is up for deletion. I can't find sources on the net or I simply lack the expertise on color to do so. Perhaps you could help--Lenticel ^(talk) 08:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Amazingly, quite a few people are suggesting to keep it, even though the only thing we know about it is that it appears in one 1930 dictionary of color names. What's up with that? Dicklyon (talk) 01:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

There are no rules about what makes a color article notable. We need to fix that. Wrad (talk) 01:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Human_rainbow

I think its in your scope! Gaogier ^Chat! 02:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

What makes it notable? The GBR catalogs just about any feat that can be verified. --Adoniscik (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of color topics

Anyone maintaining this, or is it yet another useless list? --Adoniscik (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if anyone uses/maintains it, but such lists can be useful for their 'related changes' links, such as this one. --jacobolus (t) 21:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice, I learned something! Isn't this better? --Adoniscik (talk) 21:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I think there's a similar list somewhere under WikiProject Color, which is therefore not in the Article namespace, so the list in the article namespace is probably worth killing. --jacobolus (t) 02:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unnotable color article clean-up

I'm implementing a plan at the Variations of green article. I'm going to round up all articles on shades of green with sparse content and put them all into this article, and turn their current articles into redirects, then see if I can't organize the central article in a readable way. Help and support will be appreciated. Wrad (talk) 03:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I've begun the work, moving info from the article in the Shades of green category into the variations article. I'd like to move more of them in, but I'd like to see more support for the process on this page. Basically, I'm thinking we should move as much as is reasonable into the Variations article, and then determine what is actually notable, and then delete what isn't and expand what is and find a good way to present the information better with that article. Wrad (talk) 03:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Strong support. Especially working on one article at a time; an informal collaboration. Thanks for taking the initiative, I'll help out if I get a chance. -- Quiddity (talk) 04:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Aye, nice initiative. Started going through what's there and going to take a look at what sources I can find. PaleAqua (talk) 04:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Infobox Color

Sample Color
— Commonly represents —
Colorful

I've added a nocoords parameter to the infobox that prevents any of the coordinates from being displayed, but keeps the picture, symbolism, caveat etc. Might be useful alternative for unsourced color coordinates.PaleAqua (talk) 06:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The spelling parameter no longer works. All color infoboxes now use 'color' for the spelling. I'd fix it if I knew how. VMS Mosaic (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll look at fixing it. PaleAqua (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Fixed now. Sorry about that, lost a pair of braces when I was cleaning up the template as part of my changes. PaleAqua (talk) 02:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is there a color called "Camel"?

Template:Map caption (see example of its work here: Republic of Ireland, under the map of Europe in infobox) names some light shade of orange as "camel". Neither Wikipedia, nor Wiktionary mentions "camel" as a color. Can this word (in English) be a name of such color? 92.39.161.221 (talk) 19:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It's listed in the A Dictionary of Colour ISBN 1854183753 page 79 as "The fawn colour of the camel; beige". Whether it's a notable color name is another question. PaleAqua (talk) 01:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can someone help me color a link?

.01 Cabal <- I want to make that white, but font tags around it doesn't do a thing. It's a link, so it remains blue. Enigma ^message 17:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, when I removed the rename (|.01 Cabal), it was willing to color it. Not with it, though. Any idea? Enigma ^message 17:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I managed to fix it via testing. Seems separate font tags were needed. linky. Enigma ^message 18:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pink

Anyone considered protecting pink - it seems to get vandalized regularly. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 07:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)