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Hi. I'm translating PRC provinces articles in Italian. Does the Infobox PRC province template exist? I can't find it. Thank's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_PRC_province

found. sorry.

--vificunero

Hi, I am interested in taking part in this project. Do you have any external resources about some detailed information (population, area etc.) of the provinces? --Lorenzarius

The population can be gotten from the Fifth National Census (第五次全国人口普查) result from last year (here). The area can be old area since it mostly unchanged. Density can be calculated. Rest of data can't really be gotten from a single source. Some provinces have websites that describe itself to promote investment.

As of right now, anyone who wishs to participate can list their name on the project. --voidvector
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This project resembles Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. States and WikiProject French departements, ideas can be borrowed from them. --Kt2
National Bureau of Statistics of China - Some data that might be useful. The website is very incomplete like it does not even contain census results. --voidvector
http://www.cncn.com/ Another good source of information about the provinces, much numeric data can be found there. The page is in Simplified Chinese. --Lorenzarius 10:35 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

I think putting a conversion log on the project page maybe useful. --Lorenzarius

How do you guys (voidvector, Lorenzarius, Olivier) communicate with each other to agree upon a format of the province? Is it discussed on IRC, the newsgroup or other means?. The page is obviously lacking signs of communication among participants where other wikipedians can enter the discussion and contribute. -- User:kt2

hmmm... you're right, voidvecter started it and I joined, but I think the format by voidvector is very well-done already. Do you have any suggestions? --Lorenzarius
Well I can contribute to some histories of some provinces. Another question. Do we use the format for defunct Chinese provinces, like Rehe, Chahaer, Suiyuan, Fengtian, Xikang etc. ? kt2
Defunct provinces? Although the scope of the project is all the PRC provinces, I can see no reason that we shouldn't apply the template to those. Some parts of the template may not be applicable, though it is not a big problem. (However I would prefer to let those articles stay in their original form) --Lorenzarius

Questions: (see Hebei)

  • should the transportation paragraph be under "tourism", "economy" or "Miscellaneous topics". I would be more in favor of "economy".
  • where do we place the list of major cities? In the definition paragraph or in geography?

olivier 12:26 Jan 16, 2003 (UTC)


I would favor "economy" as well for "transportation".
I have been putting "cities" under "geography", even though I originally listed it under "demographics". (I forgot about it myself.) I originally put it under "demographics" because "demographics" is about human population. (WikiProject U.S. States puts "cities" under its own paragraph.)
My original template is just my brainstorm of things. Feel free to add, modify, and remove.
--voidvector
I would prefer transportation and cities get their own paragraphs. -- User:kt2
Transportation should get a paragraph on its own. Neither geography nor tourism can properly fit that well with transportation. We should be looking at major provincial air/seaports, roads, rail and expressways. --DF08 18:34, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I was wondering what constitutes a complete article. --voidvector

I would say everything comprises a successful article with degree of detail defined by readability. A section gets its won article if users add so much about it. All wikipedia articles are not and will never be considered finished with everyday contributions. User:kt2

Guys, mind if you check out my history section on Fujian. Is it too long, too concise or just about enough? I'm trying to write sections of similar length on other provinces and would like to have an idea if you are happy with it. Thanx. User:kt2

It is very well-done! Actually I think that the history section can be a seperate article and we can leave a brief summary on the main province page (just like the WikiProject Countries and US States etc.). --Lorenzarius

Contents

[edit] Municipalities

I am pasting below the conversation from Talk:Chongqing. It is probably applicable to other municipalities. olivier 07:29 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)

I think it would be better to use the title "Chongqing" for "Chongqing city" and add a link to "Chongqing Municipality" on the page. Since most of the other articles refer to "Chongqing city" as "Chongqing". (Please pardon my poor expressions.) --Lorenzarius 15:34 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

New articles mentioning the Municipality will probably simply call it "Chongqing" too. If we follow your suggestion, these links will lead to the City, and that might be confusing. Before changing the name of the "Chongqing city", I would suggest that we create the "Chongqing Municipality" article, and see how many articles link to each of them. If there is a big majority linking to the city, then it might be a good idea to make the change you are suggesting. olivier 15:41 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
You mean these? =) --Lorenzarius 15:46 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
Exactly. 12 for "Chongqing city" and 13 for "Chongqing Municipality". Maybe we should leave the article names like this for the moment and keep disambiguating at "Chongqing". olivier 15:49 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
Hmmmm then I guess the same thing should be done to the other three Municipalities right? ("municipality" is a hard word to spell =P) Lorenzarius 15:53 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
In the case of the other municipalities, is the territory covered different from the one covered by the city? olivier 17:02 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
Another possibility... What about merging the Municipality article and the City article into one? I think most people won't be able to distinguish between the two, but I may be wrong... Lorenzarius 16:06 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
That is an option. We could actually write 2 articles into one, in this case. But what would we do with the "Provinces" template? olivier 17:02 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
Does municipality articel much differ than the city one? IMO Merge them if they are same and explain the small differences in the article. Before they are done, just left them as it is for now. User:Kt2
I think that in the case of Chongqing, the city is quite different from the municipality (which is basically the size of a regular province). I am not sure about the other ones. olivier 07:24 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

Query: Is there anyway of making the Chinese provincial maps more "neutral" when it comes the to status of Taiwan. I don't want to get into a flame war about this, but I suspect that there is a way of doing the colors so that it doesn't take a position as far as the sovereignty of Taiwan.

Note: I do *not* want to get into a flame war about this, but I have seen very clever color schemes (especially from maps from Taiwan) that skirt the issue.

Roadrunner

My suggested answer to the question would be to simply add the island of Taiwan as an additional province on the map. My understanding is that most people in the PRC and in the ROC agree on the fact that china = mainland + island of taiwan. The debate tends to center around "who should rule this entity" rather than "what is the entity". olivier 13:04 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)
I would suggest that the problem does indeed go further than 'who should rule this entity', and is more centered around 'if Taiwan and China should be seen as being part of the same entity'. This is in no way a provocation or show of stances in either way, but rather just a suggestion that there perhaps indeed needs to be more recognition and discussion as to how this issue should be handled. User:jwcchen 18:01 Jun 18, 2006
As my map source did not include the Sichuan and Chongqing Municipality split I have to correct the maps anyway, so I just uploaded a new version of the Sichuan map which now also includes Taiwan in a light color (not sure if it's notable enough). If that's acceptable I will upload corrected versions of the other maps next days. andy 22:47 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Navigation Box

Currently there's a quick navigation box at the bottom of every province article -- except that the box contains only provinces -- no AR's, municipalities, or SAR's. The municipalities have their own box that links only to the other municipalities (no provinces and AR's), the AR's have no box at all, and the three provinces of the Northeast/Manchuria have a special "Manchurian provinces" box that links only to the other two provinces of Manchuria.

This is, to say the least, hugely counter-intuitive.

Perhaps we should have a single box that appears at the bottom of every province, AR, or municipality?

ran 21:12, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] English-language Database?

Is there an English-language database online - from where I can get information to take part in this project? --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 16:33, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Uh... I don't know actually. I assume that each of the provincial governments may have an English version of their official website? -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 02:56, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Questions + Translations

Hi everyone. I'd like to join this wikiproject.. ^^. I have, in front of me, a copy of 中国地图册 by 中国地图出版社. And since translations are considered original work, i was wondering if it was worth the effor to translate the entire atlas...province by province ofcourse

Precisely, it's 中国地图册（塑套本), 中国地图出版社编制出版. 1993年9月第8版河北第32次印刷。 It has the maps (which i'm only going to read) followed by detailed descriptions in the format of

  • Overview- includes ethnicities
  • Geography- VERY detailed
  • Climate- ditto with geo
  • Rivers & Lakes-ditto
  • Agriculture-IF translated, part of Economy section?
  • Industry- same as Agriculture
  • Transporation- outdated, not going to bother
  • Important Cities- good for overview?

So, should i go ahead and translate the useful sections and incorporate into the province articles? an example should be up soon on my userpage.
Thoughts? comments?
zeChinaman 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] template to put on talk page of articles?

This article is part of WikiProject Chinese Provinces, which aims primarily to standardize entries of the province-level divisions of the PRC. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.


yes? it's not a template yet...jsut my experiment so far

zeChinaman 17:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)