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Understanding Heaven and Hell

Hi guys, can you help with this article? It is currently on Afd and the sources are in Chinese so we cannot verify it.--Lenticel (talk) 13:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the WikiProject Taoism can help you better, if it's still active. _dk 07:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok thanks!--Lenticel (talk) 08:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Jutoupi

Hi, I'm trying to fulfill an article request for a pop singer called Jutoupi. I think this, 朱約信, is his Chinese wiki entry, but I speak no Chinese, so I am asking here. If I am right and this is the correct person, I will put in a translation request, but could someone here let me know if I have the right fellow? Thanks. Chubbles 03:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! I've been informed that it is. A request is up at WP:TRANSL, in case anyone's not busy... Chubbles 03:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar templates

Hi, there are efforts to delete several barnstar templates, I think you might be interested and add your opinion here [1]. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 08:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Book or journal reference for Jiang Shi

Hi all, a few of us are working up vampire for a crack at FAC sometime soon. There is a mention of a Chinese vampire called a Jiang Shi. Was wondering whether anyone had a folklore book which could be cited as a reference with it in, which'd be good for both the vampire page and the Jiang Shi page.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

See here and here. -- Ghostexorcist 11:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

New Barnstar of National Merit

The Zhonghua Barnstar of National Merit
This is a test. nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 21:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Code: {{subst:The Zhonghua Barnstar of National Merit|message ~~~~}}

That actually looks pretty cool!--Jerry 21:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Just make two versions and give the awarder the choice... Миборовский 00:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Why should there be two versions of this award...I designed the image for the sole purpose of avoiding a pro-PRC POV as well as as avoiding a pro-ROC POV. If someone wants to award something with just an ROC barnstar, there is an award for that, actually there's two. nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 01:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
But who is this award supposed to go to? It reads now as an award for ethnic Chinese users who contribute to China-related articles, kind of an overly exclusive category. --Danaman5 04:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
What you just said is like saying the Australian Barnstar of National Merit can only be awarded to Australian editors, but that is not the point of these awards. It can go to anyone who has made significant edit to any China-related article, not only ethic Chinese editors. nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 05:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It looks interesting, though the idea of "national merit" is a bit political in my view. Could you rename it to something a bit less political? John Smith's 18:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd recommend calling it just the Zhonghua Barnstar. Meanwhile, it may be too cluttering, but if there is a way to squeeze in a DPP green stripe and the Hong Kong bauhinia blakeana, it would be nice. --Nlu (talk) 23:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
There's no need to add DPP in it. It should only be the Chinese National and Communist Parties.--Jerry 23:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Which are not the only political parties in China. Миборовский 23:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Zhonghua Barnstar of Merit
Changed per John Smith's and also to allow this award to be given to those who make significant contributions to articles about the Chinese civilization around the world. nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 23:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Stop making it so political. The flag is suppose to be a flag showing the co-operation between both sides of the strait; merging both national flags together, not political parties.
I'm not trying to make anything political, but just so you know, the ROC flag is KMT-based, and the PRC flag is CPC-based.--Jerry 21:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I understand where Jerry is coming from. You say you don't want this to be political, but it is true that the barnstar brings politics into it by having two flags based around two particular political parties. It's a bit like saying the CCP is China and the KMT is Taiwan. If you don't want it to be political you have to take the politics out of it. It may be unfortunate that both the PRC and ROC flags are dominated by two political groups whereas most countries flags aren't, but that's the way it is. John Smith's 22:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually I don't think the KMT represents Taiwan. And for that matter, I don't think the ROC represents Taiwan either. So I have no objection on the design of this award.--Jerry 22:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind then. John Smith's 21:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, the PRC flag doesn't have any communist symbols on it, except the colours red and yellow... But then, the US flag also has the same colours as Republican emblems. I daresay it happens quite often in many countries that a political party's symbols resemble national symbols in some way. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 23:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
The US political parties are formed after the formation of the nation, the ROC and the PRC, on the other hand, are formed after the formation of political parties.--Jerry 00:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The revised design is fine with me. I wasn't intending to block this award, I just didn't want it to be too exclusive.--Danaman5 02:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Outstanding work - well done, Nat. -- Folic_Acid | talk  04:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

These two flags are "national flags"（国旗） not "party flags“（党旗）.So there is no need to add DPP or Hong Kong flags in it.It is true that "the ROC flag is (or was)KMT-based, and the PRC flag is CPC-based" once, but they are flags of ROC & PRC not flags of KMT or CPC.

Nat, I like the job you did, really.--东北虎(Manchurian Tiger) 17:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Chinese opera on radio

Hello everybody, I know this is not the place to ask questions for personal use, but my question is so specialized that I figured it was hopeless to try at the reference desk. Can anybody tell me if there is a radio that broadcasts Chinese opera (of any variety)? Thanks in advance, --91.148.159.4 21:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Try here. --Ghostexorcist 19:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, there is supposed to be a channel called "East radio Shanghai - folk opera" according to that list, but in practice I never hear anything like a folk opera on it. There is also a folk opera channel called CCTV-11, which is available online but, as with other CCTV channels, its streaming is almost always interrupted once per two seconds for me, so it's impossible to watch. Is it the same with you, or maybe it's different depending on where one lives? --91.148.159.4 20:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Opinion requested on Xiao Xi's categorization

I'd like people's opinion on this: should Xiao Xi be categorized in Category:Liang Dynasty emperors, and should related articles (e.g., Cen Wenben) be categorized in Category:Liang Dynasty? --Nlu (talk) 19:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Another request for outside views

I'm attempting to informally mediate a dispute between two users at Dano (Korean festival), but since I have limited factual knowledge of the subject, I wondered whether anyone here might be willing/able to add their perspective to things. Thanks! -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

If it was up to me, I would merge that article into Dragon Boat Festival. It's the same festival! Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
The main question up for discussion is whether Qu Yuan is included in the celebrations in Korea, as he is in China. Do you know whether this is the case? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Chinese character on Swiss International tailfin

What is the Chinese character on this Swiss International Airlines tailfin? [2] WhisperToMe 19:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It is the first character of the chinese translation of Switzerland "瑞士" Pojanji 20:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you :) WhisperToMe 21:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Ghettos and Chinatowns?

In this article Chinatowns are mentioned as a kind of "ghetto" ... I think someone who knows a lot about american Chinatowns should have a look at this article to see if it's making sense. I was going to remove it myself, but I don't know that much. futurebird 22:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Base on the first sentence of that article I think Chinatown fits the definition of ghetto, but that section certainly deserves some clean up. Pojanji 23:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Chinese government

I guess you finally got your way and we no longer have an article on the government of China, just this mess. So when I want to find the State Food and Drug Administration of China, no place to naturally find a link to it. There is no excuse. Fred Bauder 13:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I don't see Government of the People's Republic of China deleted. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are referring to. Could you be more specific?--Danaman5 23:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)