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Chinese Civil War

I've been going through articles like Battle of Yijiangshan and Battle of Nanri Island, both conflicts between the PLA and the ROCA after 1950. I'm wondering if they can be considered part of the Chinese Civil War as well? The Chinese Civil War page states "full-scale war April 1927 — May 1950;" so I'm not sure. _dk 03:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

They are definitly considered as part of the Chinese Civil War. As noted, from 1927 - 1949 is the full scale war, but the war was not declared over until 1991 (when the cross-strait relations was temporally relaxed). AQu01rius (User • Talk) 17:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
There was no declaration of war per se so no declaration of um, war over either. -- 我♥中國 19:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I merely pointed out what's noted on the article page. It's very reasonable, as an official ending to the April 12 Incident, which is consider to be the starting point of the Civl War. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 20:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I think that in Taiwan the "Temporary Martial Law During the Communist Bandit Rebellion" or something like that was ended in 1991 so that's probably what the article is referring to. -- 我♥中國 00:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Sun Ji

May someone verify who is he? someone related to Sun Ce (孫策) and may be 孫紹.

Also please also disambiguation with the Chinese footballer. (孫吉) Matthew_hk tc 04:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

According to the information given, he is 左將軍孫冀. I cannot find him in the actual historical records however, and can only find one line related to him in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Most likely it's a fictional character. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 05:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
While we're on this topic, I suspect the article's copyright status, along with many other Three Kingdoms biography articles. Their creator, User:Darin_Fidika, doesn't really have a clean record in copyright infringements (as seen from his talk page) and he admits to have taken most of the info from the game Romance of the Three Kingdoms X. Most of these articles also confuse fact with fiction. Many of his creations concerning Japanese samurai has been deleted for the same reasons and I don't know whether we should nominate his Three Kingdoms articles for deletion as well. _dk 06:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Sandy (Talk) 00:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Chinese dragon robes

I have begun research into the kings of Ryukyu, and have come across the interesting bit of information that kings of Ryukyu and Korea were the only ones outside of China to wear a particular type of very special ceremonial "dragon" court robes, and in the case of Ryukyu they only wore them when receiving or meeting with Chinese officials. I'm afraid I do not know the Chinese name for these robes, or too much more about them. But, if an article exists describing them, I'd be curious to read it, and to know its title so I can properly link to it; if such an article does not exist, I'd like to propose its creation, though I'm afraid I cannot contribute much to that. Thank you for any help you can offer. LordAmeth 01:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Surprisingly (or not) there is no article on dragon robes in either the en or zh Wikipedia... Anyway, dragon robes were the special golden robes that only the emperor of China could wear (anyone else caught wearing gold-colored clothing would lose his head). For that reason, this is probably not the dragon robe worn by the Ryukuan and Korean emissaries you mentioned... -- 我♥中國 03:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. And I love how you sign your name differently on different WikiProjects and such; very cute. Just to clarify what I was talking about, in case you're interested. "Mongol precedents established that five-clawed-dragon designs were reserved for imperial robes, and four-clawed-mang-dragon designs were proper for nobles and high officials. Bolts of mang-dragon cloth were sent to foreign tributaries. Only the Kings of Korea and Ryukyu appear to have worn the 'dragon robes' in the Chinese style, and this only for the reception of Chinese imperial envoys." (George Kerr, Okinawa: the History of an Island People, p477.) LordAmeth 10:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I think that's how I'm gonna sign my name until I get bored of it. I'm not sure about the "Mongol precedents", but I assume it's saying that the Mongols/Yuan brought with them these Chinese dragon robes when they conquered Korea. But then I doubt I can argue with a published author, haha. -- 我♥中國 00:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Requesting help from this wikiproject

Hello. I've been working on List of haunted locations. One of the problems with that article is systemic bias. There are lots of entries for the U.S., several for places in Europe; but before yesterday there was only one for anyplace in Asia. WikiProject Japan was helpful, and there are now two entries for Japanese locations and one for someplace in Indonesia; but we still don't have any information on allegedly haunted places in China or Taiwan. If anyone has any information and wouldn't mind heading over to that article and adding sourced information on haunted locations in China or Taiwan (or anyplace else for that matter) it would be appreciated. Alternatively, you could do what WikiProject Japan did and just point me towards whatever Wikipedia article talks about the Chineese view of returning spirits and haunting and I'll at least know where to start looking. Thank you! ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs) 20:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

This is very interesting. I will do some research and help out on the "haunted locations" in Taiwan/China! (There should be a lot, because I recall some of them from books and TVs). AQu01rius (User • Talk) 19:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs) 17:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that pretty much every cemetery and HOUSE in CHINA??? You know, your ancestors will return some times to watch over your family. Offer them good food and stuff during the Ghost Festival, and they'll be at your house to chase away other ghosts when the gates of Hell open. That's the theory, at least. -- 我♥中國 00:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Goguryeo-Sui Wars

Full discussion in Talk:Goguryeo-China wars.

Yug has renamed Goguryeo-Sui Wars to Goguryeo-China Wars, because he wants to include later Tang-Silla invasions of Baekje-Goguryeo, which I think is really a separate war. It doesn't make sense, because if you call it Goguryeo-China Wars, the article should include all wars between Goguryeo and China, including the wars against the Four Han Colonies, all the way through Goguryeo's fall. The article as-is, is not about that, it's really about the war between Goguryeo and the Sui Dynasty, which itself is a major, specific topic that should have its own article. If he wants to create another article on the Tang-Silla invasions of Baekje-Goguryeo, that's fine, but don't hijack an existing article on a different topic. Please see and say what you think about it. Thank you. OpieNn 19:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I seen It. I suspect Pro-korean position but that also may be an user with more kwoledge than me. Please go to the main talk page. Every opinion are welcome. Yug (talk) 20:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

My article needs a rating from your project

A long while ago, someone from your project put your banner on my Jow Tong article. I know ratings up to "B-class" really don't need a vote like "GA" or above, but I'd rather someone other than myself rate the page's quality. Be truthful and leave a comment on the talk page of why you gave it the certain rating. I have also put in a request for it to be peer reviewed on your peer review page. Thanks. (Ghostexorcist 21:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

Amazing work! Wow...! I'll read the article and help on reviewing it. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 03:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)