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	This article is part of WikiProject Children's literature, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to children's and young adult literature on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit one of the articles mentioned below, or visit the project page, where you can join the project. Children and Young Adult Literature Portal
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Tasks you can do: WikiProject Children's Literature Open Tasks Here are some open tasks for WikiProject Children's literature, an attempt to create and standardize articles related to Children's literature. Feel free to help with any of the following tasks. Update: Author Biography articles and write about new books written for children Expand: articles in the Demonata series by Darren Shan Create new articles relating to Children's Literature Add this template ( {{Children'sLiteratureWikiProject}} ) to the talk pages of articles relating to Children's Literature. Expand and Edit Portal:Children and Young Adult Literature Cooperate with Wikipedians belonged to similar WikiProjects Discuss matters involving Children's literature on this wikiproject's talk page Cleanup the Philip Ardagh article. edit

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Archive up to December 2007

Contents 1 Notability check/possible merger 2 Alphabetizing participants list 3 Guestbook 4 Alba Bouwer 5 Assessment 6 Prioritizing, To Do List, and Collaboration 7 Proposed merger with WikiProject Shredderman 8 Children's Lit articles tagged as non-notable 9 Coretta Scott King Award 10 Children'sLiteratureWikiProject: Articles of unclear notability 11 Defunct template 12 Good article icon 13 Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up 14 Fictional children Categories up for deletion

[edit] Notability check/possible merger

Hi there WikiProject Children's literature. I stumbled across a group of related pages about a book series and related topics that are almost exclusively linked to from each other, somewhat like a walled garden. Perhaps the members of your project can give some advice on how notable the subjects are, and whether some merging is in order. (I do not think the whole group of articles should be deleted.)

• Kamira, The Sky Village (+Sky Village), Monk Ashland have incoming links only from each other
• Star Farm Productions, Rick Carton, Rare Beasts, Charles Ogden, Nod's Limbs (book), Nod's Limbs (town) link from the pages above and each other, but also from
• Edgar & Ellen, which is linked from Nicktoons and Template:Nicktoons.

It looks to me as if Edgar & Ellen deserves to have an article, but the rest may or may not. The articles don't show notability apart from the connection with the successful Edger & Ellen series. They should either be merged into Edgar & Ellen, or given some incoming links as appropriate. Thanks for your attention. --Reuben (talk) 04:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to mention, the whole group seems to have been many of the articles in the group were created in a short period of time by User:Master izzy, who has no other edits at all. This may indicate some conflict of interest / promotion issues. Several others were created by User:Rettstatt, who according to his user page is an employee of Star Farm Productions and has few unrelated edits. The editors involved were acting in good faith, and have been advised of COI guidelines, so the best thing to do now is just to decide which articles to keep and which to merge. We can sort out any promotion on the remaining articles afterward. Thanks. --Reuben (talk) 04:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetizing participants list

How about alphabetizing the list on user names? The only objection would be the loss of 'seniority' but this is retained by inserting a 'joined on ...' statement. Alphabetizing seems sensible. I'll do it if there is a consensus as I've done it at another projects participant list to good effect. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know whether it should be alphabetised, but I certainly think we ought to clean it up a bit. Some people have (talk • contribs • count) listed, some (talk • contribs), some none of these. I think perhaps we should also move people's comments on their expertise/areas of interest/current projects to a separate section; it looks a bit confusing mixed in there. Whether we alphabetise the list or not, I think we ought to keep a "joined on" statement: new people investigating the WikiProject may decide whether to join us or not based upon how active this WikiProject looks. (And, while obviously a lot of us are working on things, there's not much evidence of that on the front page.) -- KittyRainbow (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree with KittyRainbow (talk · contribs). I'll be bold and clean up the list. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 18:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guestbook

What is the point of the 'Guest book'? Either someone wishes to join the project or not; having a list of non-participants is strange. I'm going to be bold and eliminate it after inviting everyone on the list to join the project. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alba Bouwer

Created this article a couple of days ago, and it seems to fall under your remit. Any comments/criticisms/project tags to add? --Paularblaster (talk) 01:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does seem to be relevant. I've added the WikiProject tag to the talk page. :) -- KittyRainbow (talk) 16:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Here's another for you: Alba Bouwer Prize. --Paularblaster (talk) 21:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

Are we assessing our articles? Because one of the main projects is to tag articles, which I've been doing, but I've not had time to assess the articles I'm tagging, and once I've tagged them, I can't seem to find a list of tagged articles. Actually, that's my second question - is there a list of all the articles that have been tagged by this WikiProject? I am interested because I've also done some work on WikiProject Schools and they have a table which lists the articles they have by quality and importance (under statistics in the sidebar). Is this normal for a project, or specific to them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strdst grl (talk • contribs) 14:06, 31 January 2008

I believe we are supposed to be assessing our articles, but I could never get my head around what constitutes each class so I've likewise just been tagging them. And yes, there is indeed a list of all the articles: it's here, along with its accompanying statistics box. There's a bot that updates all of these pages and a WikiProject has to sign up to it, but otherwise it is normal. -- KittyRainbow (talk) 16:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, there is now an assessment page. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I just joined, but I've been tagging articles (mostly author biographies and individual novels nominated under prominent awards) right and left. I'd like to start using the assessment page to compare the different ratings of articles by subject. Is it possible for the unrated articles to get a page listing them too, so members can see which articles have yet to be assessed and then rate them according? --Mistsrider (talk) 08:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The articles which have had the banner placed on them but haven't received an assessment grade are automatically included in the Category:Unassessed children and young adult literature articles, if that's what you mean. John Carter (talk) 20:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah! Excellent, I see. Then perhaps on the main page, where the assessment table is, someone could remove the rating category of "None" from the list? (I don't understand how to edit tables yet so I can't do it). --Mistsrider (talk) 02:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I think 'None' is for things without an importance assessment, 'unassessed' is for things without a quality assessment. By the way, how often is that table updated? I've been assessing all weekend - alphabetically, I've reached the L's - but the numbers haven't changed since I started. Strdst grl (talk) 19:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The bot WP 1.0 bot (talk · contribs) is run every so often. The last three updates were 09 Feb 2008, 03 Feb 2008 and 01 Feb 2008. You can request the bot be run if you'd like to see a more recent update. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 20:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prioritizing, To Do List, and Collaboration

I have to say that it kind of bothers me that on the Wikipedia "Open Projects List", there are specific article links to Darren Shan / Demonata and Philip Ardagh. I'm not sure why these two authors are so notable that they get a prominent place in this location, whereas other much more notable, acclaimed, and awarded authors (e.g. Roald Dahl, Madeleine L'Engle, Ursula Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander etc.) are not? I would like to remove this preferential treatment. ;) Also, is there a way we can prioritize topics that need to be worked on (other than the priority assessment list) or collaborate on projects that we are working on? Going around haphazardly editing articles seems inefficient if you share interests with someone. --Mistsrider (talk) 03:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I just edited the Philip Ardagh article, thinking it was ultra-high priority, without checking here first. So...what's really high priority? Tem2 (talk) 19:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, we don't have the activity level necessary to see such administrative tasks to get off the ground. In short, priority level is chosen by a single interested editor. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 20:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merger with WikiProject Shredderman

[edit] Children's Lit articles tagged as non-notable

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Comment. I've gone through the entire list as an extreme inclusionist and either removed the notablilty tag or deleted the article. Feel free to look through the list; or even adopt one or two and bring it up to standard. In general, the articles are either stub-class or suffer from in-universe problems. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 06:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coretta Scott King Award

I've begun expanding Coretta Scott King Award to include Honor Books and Illustrators awards. See Talk:Coretta Scott King Award for more info. I left the books themselves as non-WikiLinks, but IMHO each of these award-winning books needs at least a stub with a book template and cover-jacket photo. If anyone wants to jump in and help, please do so. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 19:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Children'sLiteratureWikiProject: Articles of unclear notability

Hello,

there are currently 37 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment. I have already gone through the article. They are the ones above. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 00:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Defunct template

The {{Childrens-literature-WP}} template is now completely unused; should it be deleted?

It seems that it was superseded by {{Children'sLiteratureWikiProject}} a while ago as that can use the class and importance parameters, but some of the pages that had already been tagged with {{Childrens-literature-WP}} continued to use it. I've just gone and changed over all of those pages, so now it's not used at all and it's just floating around doing nothing.

What's the usual procedure in cases like this...? -- KittyRainbow (talk) 05:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I will delete {{Childrens-literature-WP}}! Thanks. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 13:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! :) -- KittyRainbow (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good article icon

A proposal to add a symbol identifying Good Articles in a similar manner to Featured ones is being discussed: see Wikipedia talk:Good articles#Proposal. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up

Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional children Categories up for deletion

Category:Fictional children has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page.

Category:Fictional child molestation victims has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page.

Both of these discussions have been under way since May 13, so if you wish to add your thoughts please do so ASAP. Cgingold (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)