Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Caves

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[edit] Re:stubs

Hi all - I've been asked to drop a note here to explain about stub categories for caving, from the point of view of the stub sorting WikiProject. For stubs on caving to be in line with similar stub types (and therefore keep Wikiproject Stub sorting happy), a comparison can be made with the stubs used for articles on mountaineering. With climbing stubs, there is one category, with the template {{climbing-stub}}. Articles on individual climbs are double-stubbed - that is, two different stub templates are added - with climbing-stub and whatever regional geo-stub is appropriate. This makes it possible for editors who know climbing to find articles, and also editors who know their own local areas. Some examples of this method of stubbing can be seen at Hillary Step, Haiku Stairs, and Horse Flats.

By analogy, stubs about individual caves should be marked with {{caving-stub}} and also with the relevant geo-stub. Every country in the world has its own geo-stub, of the form CountryName-geo-stub, and many subnational regions also have (such as individual English counties, for example).

{{Cave-stub}} has been nominated for deletion, as it is likely to cause problems for WikiProject Stub sorting, and is also likely to lead to the possibility of regional geo-stubs being removed from articles, which would result in less likelihood of the articles being edited. In any case, double-stubbing as described above will achieve a similar effect to having a separate cave-stub, whilst also providing extra sorting for editors on a region-by-region basis.

By the way, you might want to consider the idea of a WikiProject-specific talk-page assesment system, as used by many other WikiProjects (for example {{WPBeatles}}). These have the advantage that you can rate all articles related to your wikiproject, not just stubs, and furthermore the template would be dedicated specifically for your WikiProject (stub templates are for use by all WP editors, whether they are poart of your project or not, and can therefore lead to problems of usefulness and scope). Grutness...wha? 23:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The {{caving-stub}} template was broken, as I found when adding it to Kirkdale Cave (produced an extra blank line and stray ]]). After a lot of fiddling I think I've fixed it, although the template still files under "T" in the category listing which may be avoidable. Apologies if I've broken anything, but it looks as if it's better than it was! PamD 09:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First cave dive

I just spotted a conflict between two articles, Wookey Hole Caves and Jack Sheppard (cave diver). One claims "first successful cave dive in Britain" was in Wookey Hole 1935, the other "the world's first cave dive in Swildon's Hole on October 4, 1936". To me this doesn't compute, but I know nothing of this field. Maybe it is a simple matter of what equipment was used? If so, please clarify. If it is a case of there being no firm documentary evidence, the material should be rewritten or removed please. Derek Andrews (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paisley Caves

A recent news item says that evidence for the earliest humans in North America was found in Paisley Caves, Oregon. Not sure if this wikiproject would be interested, but the article was recently born and could use whatever perspectives apply. The article's infobox could really use someone more experienced with it. —EncMstr 19:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)