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Images for Banner and Userbox

I have one really hard question to deal with here. What images do all the members want to see on the userbox and the banner? I can't find any maps that are really visually striking, and I'm not sure whether we would want a photo of an island, or something like that, on the banner and box. So, I'm throwing the question out to the rest of you. Which images would you like to see on the banner and userbox(es)? Badbilltucker 22:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea :( Guettarda 23:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
The ones you picked are fine with me. Guettarda 17:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The best image would be something that is inclusive of all countries in the region and immediatly recognizable as "Caribbean". I don't know of any maps of the entire region that would still be recognizable at icon size, so I say stick with the generic beach scenes unless someone comes up with something better. - Jwillbur 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Of course, while all of the images below say "Caribbean" they aren't uniquely Caribbean. Guettarda 20:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

A few more generic Caribbean photos

Barbados

Haiti

Cuba

Martinique

Jamaica

Dominican Republic

Trinidad

St Lucia

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zleitzen (talk • contribs) 05:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Bermuda

Right now, Bermuda does not fall within the scope of any local or regional projects. Would the members of this project think it an acceptable idea to add Bermuda to this project? Badbilltucker 18:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it should, Bill. Though I believe it is not officially in the Caribbean, where else is it likely to fit in. --Zleitzen 19:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure - it's up to us to define the scope as we see useful (this isn't an article-space project, so we aren't constrained by WP:V or anything like that). Guettarda 20:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Aye, indeed. The more, the merrier. —Nightstallion (?) 22:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos are not geographicly in the Caribbean either, but they, like Bermuda, are ussually considered as within the same economic region as the antillies. I would suggest its inclusion. Russeasby 13:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

New user category

I have created a new category for wikipedians who are interested in the Caribbean: Category:Wikipedians interested in the Caribbean--Vivenot 15:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How about this user box? --Zleitzen 20:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

This user is a member of WikiProject Caribbean.

Ooops, I didn't realise that there was already a user box. Ignore me!--Zleitzen 05:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Guide for new users

I would like to joint the WikiProject Caribbean, is there an official way of joining? If there is maybeyou guys could expand on it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Budyhead (talk • contribs)

Just sign your name up on the main page...but you're right, we need to come up with a set of tasks, etc., and a To Do list. Right now the main thing people are doing is assessment (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Caribbean/Assessment). Guettarda 23:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Article improvement drive

Please vote for St. George's, Grenada at the wikipedia creation and improvement drive [1]--Zleitzen 15:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Open tasks

I added an open tasks section to the project page. Feel free to add any tasks or requested articles there. Jwillbur 04:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Scope should be expanded..

the scope of the project should be expanded to include, Belize, Guyana and Surinam. Those three counties while not geographically a part of the Caribbean, are culturally and politically considered a part of the caribbean. they are all a part of the caribbean equavelent of the EU; CSME. it is possible that in 20 years the entire CSME will be one country.

I have no objections to expanding the scope of the project to include those countries. Particularly as only one (Belize) is currently even being considered for inclusion in another project. On that basis, I am expanding the scope of the project to include them as per the above. If there are any objections, please feel free to voice them below. Badbilltucker 14:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. What about the Florida Keys, Isla Margarita and San Andres and Providencia? Guettarda 14:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
It should also include the caribbean areas of the continental countries such as Mexico, Colombia (Caribbean Region), Venezuela, etc.--((F3rn4nd0 ))(BLA BLA BLA) 17:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the Florida Keys, Isla Margarita (which is in Venezuela) and the continental Latin American regions fit the bill. This is a large project and to cover these areas, which should be well covered in other portals and projects related to the USA and Latin America, would add unneccessary work.--Zleitzen 19:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Anything which lies in the Category:Caribbean (which seems to include many coastal areas) or its subcategories can be seen as being legitimately within the scope of this project. However, I don't suggest that any existing articles related to areas like the Florida Keys be added to one of those categories simply to fall under the scope of this project. Certainly, many of those areas would generally fall within the scope of other projects as well. Badbilltucker 19:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't see the problem. It's probably better for an article to be within the scope of two or more wikiprojects... meaning more people helping to develop the article. Belize above is within the scope of the caribbean wikiproject it can also be under a Central America wikiproject... --((F3rn4nd0 ))(BLA BLA BLA) 15:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Considering AfD for Aruba D. A.

Hello. I found Aruban Democratic Alliance while looking through the list of orphaned articles, i.e. those without incoming links. There are less than 200 nonwiki Google hits about the party, which casts doubt on its notability. The article itself says it basically lost the election. Before I nominate it for WP:AFD, I wanted to give you folks a chance to clean it up. YechielMan 07:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC) i think it should be expanded.i mean like noones really being hurt--170.235.222.90 18:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[[Media:

Montserrat article

This article should be made into a disambiguation page, due to the fact there is another Montserrat, in Greater Manchester, United Kingdom, here.

Would anyone support/oppose this proposal?? --sunstar nettalk 11:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there an article on Montserrat in Manchester? If not, then there is no need to disambiguate. If so, a line at the top of the article on the island indicating other uses would suffice.-- Zleitzen (Talk) 12:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I created a dab page. Since a country is by far the most notable use, it should stay at Montserrat. Guettarda 19:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Haiti

Portal:Haiti is up and running. Please take a look and add anything which might improve the page.-- Zleitzen(talk) 17:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


Linking to Haiti

I tried to link to my own site which in the eyes of some I guess makes me a spammer, and the link was anyway removed. The site has lots of images from Haiti, recent, and of a decent quality, and some info as well. I find the link could be useful to people as it can be hard to find good visual impressions of the country. Would it be a problem if I try to link to it again?

Nana Bjørnlund 12:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Jamaica

Portal:Jamaica is also now up and running. Improvements needed.-- Zleitzen(talk) 17:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Good job on both of these. Guettarda 17:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Project scope

A quick question on project scope - should we include people who are of Caribbean descent but have never lived in the Caribbean, such as the people in Category:People of Puerto Rican descent? Jwillbur 00:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jwillbur, although that sounds like a decent move, I actually feel the work involved would be too much. There are simply 100s of biographies out there that would meet that criteria, and there are perhaps numerous time sapping ambiguities involved (is someone whose mother is Jamaican and father Welsh included etc?) The scope of this project is already vast, for instance; there are 1300 articles on Cuban subjects alone.-- Zleitzen(talk) 00:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but I figured I'd see what everyone else thought about it. Some such articles have already been tagged, if no one objects, then we should go through all the "People of X descent" categories and untag them. Jwillbur 01:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Basically the point of tagging is saying "we see this as being within the scope of this project", not "we can justify describing them as being of the Caribbean". If the coverage is uneven, so be it.
It's a judgement call. I don't see any advantage in a hard and fast rule. But I see no reason to un-tag. Guettarda 03:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

British African-Caribbean community

There's a guy making a mess of the detailed refs and content notes on one of our featured articles British African-Caribbean community, could other project members pay close attention please.-- Zleitzen(talk) 00:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


I am interested in linking resources from my book, Land of Dreams (which is identified in the text as useful further reading) to this article. Could Zleiten or someone contact me to talk me through this - I have no experience of Wikipedia! Simon Taylor englishprofessor4t@yahoo.co.uk

Writersblocked

Writersblocked 22:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)




Food and drink

I am wondering if caribbean specific food and drink articles should be in the scope of this project? Today I did a little fixing up to the Mauby article and thought perhaps articles like this should be within Project Caribbean. Russeasby 14:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I think they should be included in the WikiProject, it's part of the culture of the Caribbean. Jwillbur 17:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Agree. Also, I've been revamping the Portal:Caribbean to allow for random selections on arrival, and have included a random National Cuisine article on that page if anyone wants to take a look.-- Zleitzen(talk) 17:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

1833 0r 1834

The following message was left on my talk page (still there at top of page). It looks to me like it is correct about a consistent error but you are probably better qualified to track where it occurs--BozMo talk 18:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC):

Hello. Please pardon me if I'm in the wrong place to suggest needed edits (which I don't know how, nor feel qualified to make). The one needed is this: The link to the year 1834 includes a reference to the abolition of slavery in the British Empire. When you go to the Abolition Act link, you discover that slavery was abolished in the B.E. in 1833. (This coincides with the bio article on William Wilberforce.) Whenever there was a reference to this in country profiles of West Indies (Caribbean) nations, the date is wrong there too: they consistently use the year 1834, NOT the correct one: 1833. Thanks. CLC

I saw something different. The Nation News paper in Barbados (Region marks end of slavery) stated the "Slave Trade Act" was enacted on March 25, 1807, but did not abolish slavery in British territories until 1833. CaribDigita 19:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Rumba and Rhumba

Whoever has written the article Rumba, an afro Cuban form of music based on drumming and chants, has got it confused with Rhumba a 1950s Cuban American form of jazz that is not the same thing, (Check this to confirm). The article Rumba therefore mixes the two in a way that is too difficult to extract on first glance. It needs to be rectified fast because its a major error on the part of wikipedia. Help would be welcomed.-- Zleitzen(talk) 19:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Help with images, licences, wikipedia requirements etc.

Hi there. I have some questions as it relates to images. Some people had posts "requesting images for article(s)" on a few articles of Barbados and I thought "ok". I should contribute some photos. However wikipedia has a very confusing licensing thing that they've got online now and I wonder if anyone has a understanding of the thing? E.g. what's the best license to use? Is it "GFDL?", "C.C.?", "GPL?". Is there anyway I can licence my photos just for noncommercial use? e.g. so they don't end up on so photoshop CD or something and then *that* company tells me-- that I'm infringing on their copyrighted image CD some day or something like that. I'd like to preserve the right where I can use the photos as well on my own website one day (hence why I took them) but I don't want to get shafted by some large company over my own photos. I don't care if other people use them or trade them but I think it's best if I keep large companies off them if at all possible. P.s. Wikipedia has an image upload tool. Should I use that? Or should I use WikiCommons for article based photos? What's the difference between uploading to either spot? CaribDigita 22:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello CaribDigita. I recommend going onto the commons and uploading them under the creative commons sharealike license which you can read about here [2] . Take a look at the blurb attached to this image: Image:Ridley road market dalston 1.jpg. The option is on the drop down box of the upload page and will protect the image and yourself from any company attempting to do what you describe.-- Zleitzen(talk) 02:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Assessments

I think User:Jwillbur deserves special commendations for his/her tireless work assessing articles for the project. 1000s of edits involved. Good work.-- Zleitzen(talk) 02:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Latin cultures

Hello everyone! You may want to go to Latin cultures an participate in the article and discussion. There are a lot of disputed statements... The Ogre 12:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Saint-Martin

Because Dutch part and French part of island already gain separate status from Netherlands Antilles (will), Guadeloupe respectively, i think we should first started to re-cat the articles related to French half of Saint-Martin and Saint-Barthélemy, and leave the cat Category:Saint Martin empty or include the environment/Natural history only. Matthew_hk tc 09:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It looks like you've done most of the work for Saint Martin already, good job. A category still needs to be created for Saint-Barthélemy. I've started creating separate categories for the other islands of the Netherlands Antilles, in anticipation of its dissolution. jwillburtalk 23:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

FAR

Democratic Labour Party (Trinidad and Tobago) has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. DrKiernan 08:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: National Archives of Trinidad and Tobago

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether National Archives of Trinidad and Tobago is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 15:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Jamaica task force

I'm new to this project, but I've been editing on Wikipedia for about a year now, mostly with WP:AIR ariticles. I've done some editing on some Jamaica-related articles recently, and noticed that there wasn't a project to help co-ordinate such pages. It might be best to start out as a task force at first, especially if only a few members are interested in helping out. If the task force grows, we could expand to a full project at a later point. Comments? - BillCJ 03:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. I've left WIkipeida for the near future. - BillCJ 03:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC) Back. - BillCJ 00:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Please, Please, Please!

Please, Anybody that wants to join The force to make a better Santiago de los Caballeros article be pleased to join the article to make it more clear. Anybody with direct relation to the city and which has a lot of history of the city be please to add it up in the article. The article is very defficient in this topics:

  • Economy of Santiago
  • History of Santiago
  • Government Of Santiago
  • Culture Of Santiago
  • Growth and Development
  • Tranportation In Santiago

Please Help!I have a lot images to add into the article but i need help with the info!

I would Like to add to any fellow wikipedia that is of Dominican Descent to please help make the Dominican Republic article and the dominican Towns and cities much more comprehensive.EdwinCasadoBaez 02:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

image in need of copyright tag

Hi, anyone know whether parliament images in Jamaica are public domain? Image:070907191419brucegoldinga20060504rb.jpg John Vandenberg 05:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Loogaroo and Vampire

Hi all, a couple of us are working up vampire to FAC, and there's a stubby bit on loogaroo mentioned. I was wondering if anyone had a book on caribbean folklore which mentions them which could work as an inline ref. Also it'd be good to expand teh article at loogaroo too. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge of Tourist apartheid into Tourism in Cuba

Opinions are welcome. Thank you. --victor falk --victor falk 12:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

looking for assistance with NYC's Labor Day Carnival the West Indian-American Festival

It is my opinion that editor, Fodient is pushing a biased POV on the Crown Heights, Brooklyn Labor Day Carnival by consistently insisting that it is particularly "violent" event. CyntWorkStuff 06:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Cuba

Hello everyone. The Cuban Portal has not been edited since early June, and has only received main contributions from one user, User:Zleitzen, who has stated that he/she is inactive for the foreseeable future (last edit on September 29, 2007, after no edits since July 23, 2007). The News section is completely outdated, although articles, pictures, and quotes are in a random quotation, so those aren't affected much. We need a dedicated user(s) who will take a little time of his/her week and update the page, by adding current news every few days and presenting articles, pictures, and quotes when good ones are found.

If the Portal isn't updated regularly, it may be automatically de-featured, since it may fail the FPO criteria #3(4): Featured portals that require maintenance and are not updated for three or more months are summarily demoted.

I'd offer myself for the job, but I'm already maintaining the Portal:Puerto Rico, and I'll be working on featuring other Portals soon. So, any volunteers? - Mtmelendez (Talk) 02:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merger with WikiProject Dominican Republic

The above listed project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Dominican Republic is listed as being inactive. Propose merging the above project in as a work group of this project. John Carter 22:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject inactive?

Is this project still active? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review section?

I am a member of fellow Puerto Rico WikiProject, as part of my work in said project I recently created a peer review request and was unable to locate a link to a Peer Review section in this project's main page, so I posted a link to the request under the "Peer Review" header on the main page of this project, my question is if this is the standard in this project. -凶 19:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The 2nd paragraph in the Saint Martin entry is confusing: does the reference to British history in the island mean that english is the primary spoken language? Ahuimanu (talk) 07:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles tagged for notability issues

WikiProject Notability has sorted articles with notability tags by their relevant WikiProjects here. These are the Caribbean-related articles and the date they were tagged. All these articles already appear on the project to-do list, but these few are more likely to be deleted than the rest.

They need to be expanded by using reliable sources or tagged for deletion if they really are non-notable. jwillbur 01:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Bynoe is a test cricketer, so he meets the standards of notability set by that WikiProject. "Aunty Kay" and Denise Belfon meet any standard of notability. As for the J'can Conference of Trade Unions...I can't figure out what's missing in terms of notability there. The rest probably need some refs. Guettarda (talk) 14:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Anthony Ocaña is bringing back 44,000 Yahoo! hits, there are some potential references in there wich should be enough to establish notability. - Caribbean~H.Q. 14:15, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Theatre and actors in Saint Domingue

When was the first theatre founded in Haiti? It would be interesting to read about the first theatres and some of the actors and actresses in 18th century Haiti. The articles about the History of Haiti on Wikipedia neclects pre-revolutionary history. Perhaps understandebly, yes, but it does not give a very complete view. It would be interesting to read about known people in 17th and 18th century Haiti; now, there is very little outside the political figures. --85.226.235.178 (talk) 11:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You are right that there is not much on Wikipedia about pre-revolutionary Haiti, especially outside of politics and war. The closest thing we have on Wikipedia is Antoine Dupré, a playwright active during and immediately after the Revolution. I'm not an expert on the topic, but here's what I got from a few minutes of Google and JSTOR searching: This book talks about a theater in Cap-Français and says it was the oldest in Saint-Domingue, but doesn't give its name or when it was founded. There is an article in the Black Music Research Journal by David M. Powers which states that plays were performed in Saint Domingue as early as 1740, that there were at least eight theaters in Saint Domingue, and that the first one in Port au Prince was founded in 1762. As for theater people, two sisters named Lise and Minette were the most popular performers, according to the journal article. This book also mentions them. Both the book and the article also mention a producer and director named Labbé. If you can read French, Jean Fouchard wrote a couple books on the topic of early Haitian theater.
I'm sure there is more information out there, but it is not very prevalent on the web, so you will probably have to go to a library to find more answers. jwillbur 05:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for answering! I hope someone will write about this sometime- Haiti, all countrys, was and is more than politics and war. The tips you gave was much interesting. I'll try and search some more. Thanks again!--85.226.235.178 (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I have written some about Lise and Minette in the article Minette (actress), and about Jeanne-Marie Marsan, another popular actress in Saint Domingue. --Aciram (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Awesome, I somehow missed those articles when searching Wikipedia. If you add some inline citations, they might qualify for DYK. jwillbur 17:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Coat of arms of the Federation of the West Indies

[[:Does anyone know where to find a graphic depiction of the Coat of arms of the Federation of the West Indies? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Homophobia in Jamaican music

Related to our project, I just nominated Category:Homophobia in Jamaican music for deletion. Comments from members of the Caribbean community will be welcomed. Rasadam (talk) 22:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

West Indian cricket team in England in 1988

I thought you guys would like to know that this article will appear on Main Page on May 7th, the 20th anniversary of the start of the tour. It's been a while since the article was promoted, so the cricket WikiProject (WP:CRIC) is doing some renovation work on the article in time for the 7th, and you guys are warmly invited to come along and help out. And we anticipate bags of vandalism on the 7th, so definitely keep an eye out that day! Cheers, --Dweller (talk) 11:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)