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Bulgarian politician stubs

Greetings everybody.

User:Barbov has created a new stub template for Bulgarian politicians - {{Bulgaria-politician-stub}} - and listed it on the proposal page of WikiProject Stub Sorting WP:WSS (usually, it is the other way around.) The reason I am writing to you is that I could only find 57 stub articles relating to Bulgarian politicians, and our stardard requirement to approve a new stub template is that it is used on 60 stub articles. So if any of you could, say, create 5 new stubs articles, the template will be sure to be approved. It probably will be anyway, but reaching 60-65 stubs will make it certain. Any new articles don't have to contain much information - e.g. "XYZ is a Bulgarian politician. He / she has been a member of Parliament since ... representing the ... political party."

If any of you create these missing articles, please tag them with either {{Bulgaria-politician-stub}} or both {{Bulgaria-bio-stub}} and {{euro-politician-stub}}. (I've used the last solution myself.) If the template is approved, I will update all articles to use the new template. If any of you create the "missing" stubs, please tell us where the proposal is listed on [1] Best regards from WP:WSS. Valentinian (talk) 00:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The new template was approved. To use it, just type {{Bulgaria-politician-stub}} Again, good luck with your work from the guys at WP:WSS. Valentinian (talk) 22:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Great! Big thanks for the work and all the best to you too :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 07:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:TownBG

Hello! I've been recently trying to make the Bulgarian town template look better by making it a real infobox with optional parameters and so. I'd like to include some space for a coat of arms (герб) left of the map and a Cyrillic name for the town under the {{PAGENAME}} (the PAGENAME I feel should be only displayed when there's no, say, {{{NAME}}} specified), an optional parameter for the party of the mayor displaying it <small></small> and in parentheses (скоби) right of his name, a parameter for the municipality (община) and other optional parameters that one would include in an infobox. Could someone more experienced with wiki and HTML markup make these changes to Template:TownBG or give some hints. I've been looking at other templates' sources and could ultimately cope with the task, but it's not an easy job after all. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 14:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Could someone write here how to obtain location maps (the grey ones with red dot) for the town infobox (if not available from the Bulgarian Wikipedia or Commons)? Preslav 10:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, there are maps available for all towns in Commons (but they use a different transliteration — they use 'kh' instead of 'h' for Cyrillic 'х' and 'u' for Cyrillic 'ъ'), and the Bulgarian Wikipedia has maps for most villages.
Here are some instructions on Petko's website explaining how to make such a map if there isn't one available (unfortunately they're only in Bulgarian). Basically, you enter the name of the village above the map and a map would appear illustrating a village with the closest possible name (you can ignore it), then you check the coordinates in GoogleMaps or any other another similar service, enter them in the field below the sample map to the right, click on the button below the two coordinates fields, save the map and upload it. Todor→Bozhinov 10:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Featured content

The snow scene at Shipka Pass photograph by User:Psy guy is set to appear on the Main Page on 3 June (a Saturday). Greetings everyone!

Also, the Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria article is currently being peer reviewed and will soon be nominated to become a featured article. Everybody is welcome to express his opinion when that happens. Todor Bozhinov  → 18:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Categorisation and naming

I think some work should be done on categorisation and naming of Bulgaria-related subjects. I think for artificial lakes (яаэовири), "Dam" should be used for the barrier and "Reservoir" for the lake behind it. "Mountains of Bulgaria" should be renamed "Mountain Ranges of Bulgaria", containing the ranges (planini) and subcategories for each range that contain the mountain peaks of that range. Comments? Preslav 17:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, "reservoir" is the better word in my opinion too. As far as I know, only Australian English speakers use "dam" to mean the artificial lake and not the barrier. And Bulgaria is not Australia for sure :) That said, I'd support moving the pages to "_____ Reservoir" titles. As for the mountains, a mountain range is only a type of mountain, but there are also massifs and so on. "Mountains of Bulgaria" fits with "Mountains by country", but creating subcategories for the better known Bulgarian mountains may be useful. That's what I think, hope my opinion was useful! Todor Bozhinov  → 18:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Provinces of Bulgaria categories

I've now created a category for each province of Bulgaria (e.g. Burgas Province has Category:Burgas Province). Make sure you add any new articles you create to the category in case they have a relation to it. Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 22:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Request for help

Well aware this isn't Wikiproject Romania, but you guys are just over the border... could you please take a look at Transformations imposed by the Soviet Union in Romanian Education after the WW II.. needs some attention and comment. It's listed for AfD right now. Buckshot06 08:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Bulgarian monarchs

While creating Template:Bulgarian monarchs I discovered that articles on this subject are quite a mess in terms of naming and numbering of monarchs, particularly during the Second Kingdom, and there are discrepancies between the bg and en versions. They need to be taken care of by someone with relevant qualification in history. --DStoykov 20:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do you think they're a mess? User:Imladjov, a historian who works at the University of Michigan, took care of them not long time ago. If there are any discrepancies between EN and BG, then the problem is most likely in BG. Todor→Bozhinov 11:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, the article about Kaliman II is titled Kaliman II of Bulgaria, but the first paragraph starts with "Kaliman Asen II" and the Bulgarian page starts with "Калиман II Асен" ("Kaliman II Asen"). Michael Shishman of Bulgaria starts with "Michael Asen III" and the bg article is titled Михаил III Шишман Асен. This is very common, I'm not sure if there's a reason for that. Also, the 1246-1256 ruler is titled en:Michael Asen I of Bulgaria and bg:Михаил II Асен. I know history isn't maths and deals with vague information, but is it that bad? And I'm not talking about the content of the articles here - it seems to be quite good.

Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria FAC

I have (again) nominated the article Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria for featured article status at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. If you'd like to vote or comment, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria. Thanks in advance :) Todor→Bozhinov 20:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

And again... Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria FAC

The Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria article has been nominated for a featured article yet again :) If you'd like to voice your opinion, you're encouraged to do so on the nomination page. Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 18:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian movies

Hi folks, a few days ago I was asked to take part in Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Bulgarian Films. Never known there were so many BG movies and only 4 were done when I joined the initiative. I added "Orkestar bez ime" and "Opasen char" and will keep on adding. I have here "Toplo", "Lyubimec 13" and "Manevri na petia etaj" and will add them as well. So, if anyone would like to join the effort, the link is above.
Cheers, GGenov 22:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian Alternative Synod

I encountered several articles linking to Bulgarian Alternative Synod. Would anyone know what it is, and if yes, could anyone write its article? Nikola 21:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The Alternative Synod is (or was, dunno) a group of schismatics led by some Innocentius, which opposed the real Bulgarian Orthodox Church and was in control of some churches. Not sure what happened to it, I remember a police action which expelled the "alternative" priests and restored their property to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church some years ago.
After a brief search, it looks like this indeed happened, and in 2004.[2][3] Todor→Bozhinov 09:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

User:AlexNewArtBot - New Article Bot

Hi, I am in the trial runs of the User:AlexNewArtBot (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/AlexNewArtBot). The bot reads all the new articles for a day and puts suspected Bulgaria-related articles into User:AlexNewArtBot/BulgariaSearchResult, the articles are suppose to be manually put into the portal page and/or removed if irrelevant. Or whatever you want to do with them.

The list of rules are in User:AlexNewArtBot/Bulgaria, there is also the log on the User:AlexNewArtBot/BulgariaLog explaining the rules that sent an article to the search results (the log is cleared every day, so try to look into the history of the log). Please contact me if you are interested in the fine tuning of the rules

That is all. Any suggestions are welcome. Alex Bakharev 07:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 16:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Simeon I of Bulgaria FAC

I've just nominated the Simeon I of Bulgaria article, which I wrote, for a featured article. You can see the nomination at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Simeon I of Bulgaria, where you're all invited to vote and comment! Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 19:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

In case you haven't heard, the nomination has passed successfully! :)

Banat Bulgarians GAC

As part of Messedrocker's Contest, I've considerably improved the Banat Bulgarians article and I've nominated it for Good article status. If you'd like to review it, please do so according to the guidelines that you can find at Good article candidates. Thanks in advance! Todor→Bozhinov 16:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Featured picture nomination

I have nominated a map of Livingston Island and Greenwich Island by the Antarctic Place-names Commission of Bulgaria for featured picture status. The map is related to Bulgaria because the two islands are abundant in Bulgarian toponyms, and the Bulgarian St. Kliment Ohridski Base lies on Livingston Island. Please vote at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Map of Livingston Island and Greenwich Island. Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 19:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

I had created an invitation template for WPTR a while back at {{WPTR-Invitation}} and I thought a similar one could be used here. The code is {{WPBG-Invitation}}. Feel free to modify it to suit WPBG better if needed. Baristarim 21:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I was thinking that maybe you would like to join the WikiProject Bulgaria. There you can also find and contact users who are trying to improve Bulgaria-related articles. If you would like to get involved, just visit the participants page and/or inquire at the project's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Thanks! It's just great and certainly will be of use! Todor→Bozhinov 08:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Category missing

Hey,

I was just looking at an article in your WikiProject, and noticed a redlink to GA-Class Bulgaria articles. There was an errant mass-deletion of various categories some while back. You need to check all your cats and see if others are missing too!--Ling.Nut 19:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

project stats?

Didn't see your project stats on the project page. Maybe you don't want them there, because the table is kind of large. But if you do want them, then {{Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bulgaria articles by quality statistics}} gets you this:

Bulgaria
articles		 Importance
Top High Mid Low None Total
Quality
Featured article FA 4 4
Good article GA 2 2 4
B 15 27 23 10 3 78
Start 10 86 256 481 10 843
Stub 8 58 451 27 544
Assessed 25 127 339 942 40 1473
Unassessed 1 4 5
Total 25 127 339 943 44 1478
Actually, I just didn't know I could include the stats as a template. The table is very convenient and illustrative and by no means large. Thanks! :) Todor→Bozhinov 17:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Decare

I've noticed that in the many new articles about (a.o.) Sofia suburbs, the decare is used as an area unit. I would suggest to use hectares (=10 decares) instead, as this is a much more common unit in the English-speaking world. I've started to edit some of the articles already. Preslav 15:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, I will change decares to hectares : ) In fact I would much more prefer km², at least for the total municipal areas. --Gligan 20:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Banner nesting

Does anyone know how to make it work? Right now, it seems to just stick the full banner in the overarching nesting box, but doesn't get minimized like others I've seen. -Bbik 21:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I got it working. I don't think I broke anything else in the process (this time), but if I did, someone go ahead and yell at me and revert. -Bbik 15:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hadzhi Dimitar and Haiduti

I was surprised that the Hadzhi Dimitar and to lesser extent Haiduti (because it covers haiduti from several countries) didn't fall under the banner of the wikiproject bulgaria when they are clearly valid pieces of Bulgarian history. Is there any way to add them? VmanBG 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The only reason is that they haven't been added a tag... it's mostly me who does it, and I obviously can't put tags on all relevant articles that the project covers. Any help would be appreciated. It's simple — put {{WPBG}} on the top of the article talk page. You're also encouraged to rate the article, by adding:
{{WPBG|class=A/B/Start/Stub|importance=top/high/mid/low}}

Best, Todor→Bozhinov 16:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian involvment in the World Wars

After browsing trough the Wiki articles devoted to the World Wars and the seperate front it seems that the articles involving Bulgaria are in need of revision. The overall Balkan Theather of Operations (for WWI) article and the different fronts (Serbian, Romanian, Macedonian etc.) are severely lacking information about Bulgarian unit names, strenght, casualties, commanding officers, overall tactical and strategic situation of the army. Worst are the articles for the different battles (Ovche pole, Morava, Doiran, Tutrakan etc.) which baraly give any usefull info, with possibly the exception of the Tutrakan Epopee, though this could also be expanded.

Then roll up your sleeves and get to work! It's a wiki, be bold :) Todor→Bozhinov 12:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I would, but sadly my English isn't all that great. Still, I'll work on the articles, but I hope someone can check them after that?
Yep, you can count on me at least, and your English seems to be fine. If you'd like a specific article checked, you can notify me at my talk page :) Best, Todor→Bozhinov 18:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian football

As a member of WikiProject Football I'm naturally very interested in football. This interest also include Bulgarian football of wich my knowledge is regrettably poor. The 2006-07 season of the "A" group seem to have been rather less fortunate for Chernomorets Burgas Sofia with a points deduction and all losses except from one draw. This sparks a lot of interest, as well as the club's name and its connections to Chernomorets 919. As I understand, there are quite a few Chernomorets teams from different parts of Bulgaria, including a third Chernomorets Burgas team in the Amateur "V" Group. Unfortunatly it's difficult to get information on Bulgarian football for a non-Bulgarian. So, if a football-interested member of WikiProject Bulgaria would like to enlighten the Footballing community on Wikipedia and the rest of the world on any of these subjects I know I wouldn´t be the only one who would be very grateful. Sebisthlm 16:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian Scouting

Can someone help render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Bulgarian? Thanks! Chris 14:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Bulgaria featured nomination

Portal:Bulgaria has been nominated to become a featured portal after the recent significant improvement by Daniel and Riana. You can vote here :) Todor→Bozhinov 12:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

witch

can anyone translate the bulgarian (church slavonic?) words on this [4] (click 2-3x to enlarge) picture to english? -- 78.55.242.157 (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

“ Magicians and healers are devil's servants, that's why the devil often [...] and plays in front of those (that come to them). And what they (water) and feed is devil's vileness. Those who abandon God, the laws and the church and go to healers, they are not God's, but devil's servants. ”

The parts in round brackets I am not sure about. The [...] part contains two verbs that I cannot read well. Hope I was of help :) The language is Bulgarian, somewhat archaic though. Curious picture, by the way. Best, Todor→Bozhinov 18:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Merci, i put your translation to the image-description site on commons. -- 78.48.170.111 (talk) 10:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. It could well be that the missing words are "the devil often rejoices, jumps, and plays" ("дѧволъ о многосе радува, скача и играе"). The "р" and "а" in "радува" are very close together, the "к" in "скача" looks almost like a "в" because of the serifs, and the "ч" is somewhat tilted. --Cameltrader (talk) 22:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


Deciphering an inscription is an interesting challenge for me, so I had a go at this. Wikipedia has a different color photo of that painting plus two of its neighbors; I located another version of this that I like better (Creative Commons 2.5 licensing) and downloaded it. Then I set to work with Paint Shop Pro. I adjusted perspective, and uploaded that, I got brave and put it on Commons.

Then I extracted only the part of the photo that matches the Krankenbehandlung... image, and mega-tweaked color (have not uploaded this yet oops! I mistakenly uploaded that file first, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Detail_of_Rila_Monastery_wall_painting.jpg here), so if you want to have a look at it, you can!

Finally, I extracted the inscription only, and played with various parameters to make the writing as clear as I could. I've also upload this, but I not on Commons, because I don't think it's keeper-quality (correct me if I'm wrong) - but I want other people to see what my tweaking made of the inscription. Here is what I think it says (I can't seem to find the proper character for у):

“ Магесницыте и вражілицыте са дѧволски слуги за това и дѧволъ о

многосе радува, скача, и играе, предъ оніѧ, що идат при ни, и това
що запоѧват, и що захрануват, оно е дѧволски гнусотіи  ?кои? остават
бга, законъ (законите?) и церквата, и ходат при вражiлицыте они не
са бжiй, но дѧволски слуги..

 ”

Translation:

“ Magicians and healers are servants of the devil that's why the devil

rejoices greatly, jumps around (cavorts?), and plays in front of people who come to them, and
what they [the devils] give them to drink and eat [witness the picture!] is devils' filth ?people? who abandon God, the laws and the church and go to the healers, they are
servants not of God, but of the devil.

 ”

If this looks correct to people, then I can enter this info in the description(s) - but it'd be nice to have all the alphabet details correct including stress marks, and I'm not quite up to that, myself. — Martha (talk) 03:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

What you've done is amazing! Really, I didn't expect anyone to go this far with decoding the inscription. I'd only like to share some thoughts on minor details:
  • "вражілицыте" should be "вражалицыте"—plural feminine of an archaic word for "healer" ("вражалец"), with a definite article. The "A"-s in the text look very narrow, but can be told apart from an "I" by the the dot above. The "I"'s dot looks like an accent, but precisely vertical.
  • "скача и играе" probably has a connotation of "dances", I'm not sure to what extent "cavort" is a good match.
  • "законъ/законите" could be "законъ-а". Note, that in other words the suffixes representing the definite article are clearly marked with smaller letters. So are other suffixes, like the raised small "T" for third person plural. Therefore, I think the isolated "A" is a suffix, separated by a hyphen in order to preserve the mute "Ъ".
  • "кои" looks ok.
  • The tilde above a word ("бга", "бжiи") in archaic inscriptions used to denote an abbreviation—hence the missing "o". Apparently, they didn't want to "mention G-d's name in vain".
  • The "i" in "бжiй" might have a diaeresis, and the last letter is an accented "и" rather than being an "й", because the word is pronounced with two separate "i"-s. I'm not sure about this.
I'll try to produce a version with the correct Unicode characters later today. --Cameltrader (talk) 07:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I made , but I cannot guess which kind of Cyrillic accent to use, so I used &#768; (U+0300, combining grave accent) everywhere. --Cameltrader (talk) 11:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
In words "б҃га" and "б҃жiй" there should be used titlo ( ҃), and above the first letters of words "и҆", "о҆ни", "о҆ніѧ", "о҆но̀" should be put spiritus lenis. Grave accents should be replased by acute accents in other words, exept the cases, when grave is placed above the last letter of the word. ОйЛ (OiL) (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, Cameltrader and Ойл! (This is my trouble, though - I find some little thing that captures my fancy, and spend an entire evening on it! Long ago, I was a Slavic Lang & Lit major...so I've run across some of these things before.) I took a quick look at Cameltrader's attempt, looks good to me, but you experts should figure out what's really "right" about the accents. I'll be happy to carry this through, but need a little advice about how to name the images, which ones merit posting/deleting (and where), should they "replace" the original b/w image??, etc. I'm a bit new at this Wiki stuff, but I always seem to pick complex things to dive into! — Martha (talk) 17:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Ойл, some of the accents in the original text really look grave to me (e.g., the first one) - I don't understand the rationale of which should be grave/which acute - so someone with more knowledge of old Slavic languages should make those corrections please! — Martha (talk) 17:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
As a disclaimer, I am not an expert on this. I asked OiL for help at the Old Church Slavonic wikipedia, where he is active, so I trust his advice. --Cameltrader (talk) 19:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Grave accents (varia) are placed only above the last letters of words (but have the same meaning as a acute accents). It is a rule of the Church Slavonic language. If you understand Russian, you can read the article about it in Russian Wikipedia: ru:Вария. ОйЛ (OiL) (talk) 11:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

What's next, here?

So, User:Cameltrader/Rila monastery inscription is looking very good to me (I looked long and hard to find that lovely old "у" character, but I guess it must be considered simply a calligraphic variant). What's next, on this? Should I put both my earlier version of that panel, and the inscription-work, on Commons, and get them deleted from Wikipedia where they now are? If I do that, how can I link them to the larger picture? And...is it WORTH it? or is it just a curiosity? I can incorporate the text and/or translation into the "description", too. Advice? —Martha (talk) 23:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I edited the description of your enhanced image. I included the English translation with some small changes. If you think anything's wrong, don't hesitate to change it back.
The beautiful "у"-like character is, AFAIK, a rendering of "ѹ" (U+0479), presented as "Ѵ" (Izhitsa) on top of "о" (see it in various fonts). But that ligature must have been long gone (replaced by the plain "у") when the fresco was painted, so I'm confused about which is the correct one to use. --Cameltrader (talk) 08:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that uploading and fleshing out!
Did you look at the color-corrected version of the lower portion, which you can find as the "original version" of the inscription because I uploaded it by mistake! - at all? I let PSP "one-click correct" it and I thought the results were pretty spectacular! Maybe it's worth my uploading that too? Should ALL of these images be moved to Commons??
I checked more on ѹ, it's all explained on Early Cyrillic alphabet (Note 2) (why can't we find these things when we need them?? I have SO much trouble finding the things I need on Wikipedia!!!). But it's such a beautiful character....I guess it's not P.C. to use a "special" font? so I should let it go. —Martha (talk) 21:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)