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Location of Lumby in British Columbia

{{Location map British Columbia}} will add a map of British Columbia with a dot placed automatically using geo coordinates.

It can also be used with {{Infobox Settlement|pushpin_map=British Columbia}}, such as in Fraser Lake, British Columbia.

{{Location map
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|caption=Location of Lumby in [[British Columbia]]
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The preceding code will produce the map at right.--Qyd (talk) 19:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

British Columbia Treaty Process

Obviously needs lots of work. And I've only started it so there is a lot of referencing and citations needed, but it's a pretty strong issue for BC, and important once considering BC is illegal. (lol). Anyways, I'm asking for help from anyone willing to dive into something that is utterly complex (I'm a good salesman eh.) OldManRivers (talk) 10:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Pavilion Lake

No article yet, thought I'd started a stub but I guess not. I'm not sure but I think this karst-formation lake is a UNESCO World Heritage Site or something like that; it's a NASA exobiology research site, I do know that; because of its microbialites (freshwater coral); it's also adjancet to Hat Creek (British Columbia) and would be affected by the proposed coal project there, which maybe should also be an article (nb Hat Creek, British Columbia would be about the communities/locations by that name, not the creek per se; Hat Creek coal-thermal proposal would be more specific for the industrial thing. This is just a note for myself, but maybe someone else might want to investigate the article; either CBC or CTV science shows had a piece on it quite a while back, relating to the NASA research; CBC I think; when written there's some aboriginal content needed as well (the lake is overlooked by Chimney Rock aka Coyote's Penis).Skookum1 (talk) 17:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Canadian Cascade volcanoes

Obviously needs lots of work (e.x. Mount Garibaldi, Mount Cayley, Mount Meager, Mount Silverthrone). I have worked on geology and a lot of referening of these articles for quite a while but still need more info and detail other than geology (e.x. history, climbing, discovery, etc). Canadian Cascade volcanoes have produced major explosive eruptions and large landslides in the recent geological past, including The Barrier landslide in 1855-56, the major eruption of Mount Meager 2350 years ago, sending ash as far as Alberta. These observations are indications that Canada's major Cascade volcanoes are potentially active, and that their associated hazards may be significant. For this reason the Geological Survey of Canada are planning for developing hazard maps and emergency plains for Mount Cayley and Mount Meager volcanic complexes. They are closely related to the other Cascade volcanoes in the United States (i.e. Mount St. Helens, Mount Rainier, Mount Baker, etc).

In addition, volcanic disasters have occurred in Canada. During the 18th century, the Tseax River Cone eruption killed 2000 people. I'm asking for help from anyone willing to expend these articles into a GA and eventually an FA. Thanks. Black Tusk 23:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Tribal councils in British Columbia

Please see Category talk:First Nations governments in British Columbia, although simple enough I think there should be a t.c. cat as a subcat of the FNgov one; OK to proceed?Skookum1 (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

OK so now there's Category:First Nations Tribal Councils, but methinks, mebbe, it should be broken down by province; or is that too colonialist? by region? (British Columbia Coast, British Columbia Interior, Northern British Columbia?).Skookum1 (talk) 07:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Valleys of British Columbia

I guess there might be a metacategory Category:Valleys but I just noticed this on the relatively new article Slocan Valley, which I placed templates on and, if I'd gotten around to creating it, would probably have simply chosen "Slocan" as the title, like Kootenays, a stand-alone (obviously there's an eventual need for Slocan (disambiguation); "the Slocan" and "the Slocan Country" are just as common as "the Slocan Valley", or at least "the Slocan" is like all other BC valley/region names. I'm just uncertain as to the utility of this category, on the one hand, as it winds up being about regions but in a different way than in Category:Interior of British Columbia's subcategories. There's also instances where, as placed by Bearcat (in TO) Nemaia Valley, British Columbia is alongside Fraser Valley; the Nemaia Valley article is a community article, not a geographic one in the same way as Fraser Valley or Slocan Valley; Comox Valley may be in there, one supposes, but there's one hell of a lot of valleys in BC, with river articles already for each one, i.e. "a river is its watershed", quite literally; still Chilcotin District and Chilcotin River are different articles; but the Chilcotin District, y'see, is the Chilcotin Valley, or more properly put/spelled the valley of the Chilcotin. "Fraser Valley" gets used in eastern Canadian media/writing as well as in offshore accounts of BC as applying to the Fraser Canyon and Prince George area, with "the valley" as the whole watershed, but that's of course not how the usage works, does it? Anyway, I think the Valleys category is superfluous and creates a misappreciation of BC....all we are is valleys, ultimately, at least the settled parts. Thompson Valley? Shuswap Valley? Theoretically Okanagan should be in this category, maybe it should be; but then so should Fraser Canyon, Marble Canyon, Capilano Canyon, they're all valleys. Bulkley Valley yes is a region name; but its neighbours are simply the Omineca and "the Skeena" (aka Skeena Country, sometimes the Skeena Valley, but generally, like the Cariboo, just "the Skeena". Is there really a need for Bella Coola Valley, for example, if there's already Bella Coola River and Bella Coola, British Columbia? The existence of the category suggests its incompleteness unless all valley articles possible are created; but many will be indistinguishabler from region article "Kootenays" is really the basin/valley of the Kootenay River, afterr all...) BC nomenclature is tricky; it's why I held off creating the Slocan article myself; still not sure what to do about "the Shuswap" (Shuswap Country I guess, which doesn't include the valley of the Shuswap River, which is in the Monashees (Monashees as a region rather than a range...not sure what to call it, never heard "Monashee Country" except real old-fashioned; any ideas? Cherryville etc - not the whole range, Monashee Mountains, just the sort-of-inhabited area southwardes from hwy 1 to the border; another regiona article in need of creation, gbut a set of valleys, rather than a single one....). Input on this appreciated, I'm not in the mood to cross swords with Bearcat about it (he created the category), but I wish I'd gotten around to creating Slocan before I left on my wikibreak, and I think this category came out of nowhere without much relevance to existing BC cats, or because of the way it's already been applied, to BC........Skookum1 (talk) 07:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I looked in the category again; Loss Creek is in there, a watercourse; I note that there's a parent category Category:Valleys of Canada but I don't see the point in BC; Nicola Country is the Nicola River valley, the Nicola Valley; but if it's created under either name it's in the regions category by necessity; it's a valley, but also a "country" as we call 'em in BC, a regional community that people identify with as being from; Category:Nicola Country I believe exists; but if Nicola Country gets written or as Nicola Valley; should it also be in the valleys category, despite its really being a social/historical/cultural region here; and it's not as simple as valley-country, the Bridge River, Lillooet and Monasheee Countries aren't like that, likewise the Omineca Country and the Boundary Country (again more than one valley...).....the valleys category, if it survives, needs some rules or something; Nemaia Valley currently is a community article, not a valley article; should Nemaia Valley then exist to describe it geographically/geologically/climatologically/ecologically? Perhaps so, also with Slocan Valley and Slocan Country, aka the Silvery Slocan, which is as much a cultural/historical region concept, including towns not in the Slocan proper (Well, Retallack anyway; Sandon's in a Slocan tributary no?); a valley article should be about the geographic object, a community article about the community; and creeks and rivers shouldn't be in the category, like Loss Creek; Walbran River, Walbran Valley....so much redundancy, from the 49th parallel to the 60th, from the Rockies to the sea......Squamish River, Squamish Valley, Similkameen River, Similkameen Country, Similkameen Valley, Stave River and Stave Valley (I'm from there, as well as elsewhere), Bridge River Valley, Bridge River Country (which includes more than the Bridge River Valley per se) and three different communities/places over time that have gone by Bridge River, British Columbia, and there's no Bridge Valley, there is a Chilliwack River Valley that's a sort of suburb of Chilliwack, but there's also a Chilliwack River article, and maybe a Chilliwack River Road article even, so need there be a Chilliwack Valley article, or should the Valleys cat be put on the river article...or on the communty article, if there is or is to be one....Cowichan Valley and so on...Comox Valley, Sunshine Valley, British Columbia (which is rainy as hell), Paradise Valley (there's a few of those, one is up the Cheakamus above Brackendale), Whistler Valley (definitely a concept but indisstinguishable from teh Resort Municipality of Whistler and/or Whistler, British Columbia.....which calls itself "the valley" and definitely is a valley, just like Nemaia Valley.....where does it end? Robson Valley, Columbia Country/Columbia Valley (there's a difference...). Everything here has/is a valley; it's all rivers and mountains, and valleys where people live already have town/region articles/categories....Skookum1 (talk) 07:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Another example - Cowichan Valley. This term includes areas outside the Cowichan drainage basin, and as a region-name doesn't really mean Cowichan Lake or Youbou, which would be described as being at Cowichan Lake; both are in, however, "the Cowichan". So here's a case, like others, where capital-V Valley doesnn't mean the drainage basin or a valley in the orthodox sense (see below about Columbia Country/Valley). Cowichan Valley is a sort of neighbourhood, more than it is a valley...and it doesn't iunclude the whole Cowichan Valley in the geographic sense.....16:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The Chasm (geologic feature)

Please see [this and also Talk:Chasm re prov park articles as geographic feature articles; Chasm Provincial Park is just a stub but ther'es a locality/BCR/CNR siding Chasm, British Columbia and also the geologic feature itself; I won't repeat what I've said elsewhere, input desired.Skookum1 (talk) 07:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The correct name for The Chasm appears to be Chasm Formation. There's also another formation called the Deadman River Formation, see here. Black Tusk 20:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Columbia Valley vs. Columbia Country

OK, this is a perfect example of why the Category:Valleys of British Columbia has its problems relative to the way BC actually is. The Columbia Valley when used to mean a region refers to Golden through Canal Flats; in absolute geographic terms it includes the Big Bend, the Arrow Lakes and the Trail area, as well as what's south of the line. The Columbia Country as a term includes Revelstoke, the Big Bend, maybe Nakusp/Arrow Lakes, as well as the Columbia Valley in its Golden-Canal Flats sense; the Columbia Country is more or less the northern third or so of the Kootenay Land District, plus maybe the Arrow Lakes. The Invermere-Canal Flats area, though, is also part of the East Kootenay.....Category:Columbia Country exists and I was going to make Columbia Country as its main article; I hesitated thinking that maybe "Columbia Valley" could be extended to be the main article for the whole Columbia Country region, but it's the wrong title because it refers only to a portion of the Columbia Country, its uppermost part only. If it's not to be used in that limited sense, then it has to be used in its fully-broader sense, and should include Walla Walla, Portland and Astoria....which is just a no-go, no? Skookum1 (talk) 16:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

templates for defunct BC provincial ridings

Come to think of it the templates may not be on the defunct BC federal ridings either; I've just added it to those in "A" of Category:Defunct British Columbia provincial electoral districts but I don't have the stomach tonight, or anytime soon, to go through them all and add this to the talkpage:

{{WikiProject Canada|cangov=yes|riding=yes|bc=yes|class=Start|importance=Low}}

If someone else is looking for something mechanical to do, or can bot or parse that, please do; i created all those ridings, didn't occur to me to templatize them at the time....Skookum1 (talk) 05:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't put articles in both cangov=yes and riding=yes. The riding wikiproject is there to stop the government project from being clogged with the hundreds of electoral districts. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 19:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Parks with aboriginal significance?

Or List of parks with aboriginal significance or something of that kind....crossed my mind when adding to Marble Canyon Provincial Park, and recently editing Tsy?los Provincial Park and knowing of the Stein etc.....I'm sure OMR would agree that all parks are potentially aboriginally-signficant, but ones that have special significance or were created in response to native cultural importance issues, like the Stein and Ts?ylos, or contain important features like Marble Canyon.....should these maybe be a subcategory or parallel category to the BC parks cat?Skookum1 (talk) 18:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

  • How would you measure 'aboriginal significance'? And what is the breaking point for inclusion into the category? It seems like a judgement call, rather than a yes/no criteria for inclusion. Was Stein made a park because of 'native cultural importance' or intense media scutiny? --maclean 23:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Funny you should mention the Stein, as it's one of the big cases in point. Adn yes, it DID become a park because of native cutlural importance; native cultural importance that had the clout (and made enough phone calls) to get the intense media scrutiny - exposure is a better word - and it was because of that the park got preserved; ditto with Ts'ylos Provincial Park and certain others; not all others except in the most general way; but I think User:OldManRivers, who's Skwxwu7mesh, would agree that Stanley Park falls into the category (Siwash Rock, Chay-thoos, Qwhy-qwhy, Deadman's Island, and more...); Marble Canyon definitely qualifies, and while Mount Garibaldi does, Garibaldi Park doesn't (except, well, certain areas...). I think maybe "parks and protected areas" would be better, also, and part of what I was thinking of was some label could include native-designated areas/campaigns, as in the Skwxwu7mesh "Wild Spirit Places" (among which are the areas around the "homes of the thunderbird", Mounts Garibaldi and Cayley, the two volcanoes near Squamish); similarly the Tseax Lava Flow Park up in teh Nass, or whatever Ninstints is called now; other First Nations have similar designated preservationist/consecrative locations, either on a small scale as with Lost Valley Creek near Seton Portage or Siska Creek near Siska, which the local bands have designated as having "spiritual significance", or on the large scale as was the case with Clayoquot, Stein, Ts?ylos or the Great Bear Rainforest (so called, hate that name). Anyway, so it's not just whiteman-government parks/protected areas I'm meaning, but also those designated by the original, and some say still current, landowners (guess I should get around to writing the Xeni Decision...ref that on http://thetyee.ca). Anyway, about the Stein, although I didn't formalize the guest list I had a few things to do with getting the ball rolling on that, festival/concert-wise...it may have even been my foolish idea, long before it took place, to have the first festival up in the wild (didn't think they'd put it up that high....) and invite some movie stars and musicians and Suzuki or whomever (we had a short list), and I was at the 3rd Stein Festival, the big one held in Mount Currie (almost worth an article in fact.....the Stein Festival as a series certainly does....). And I can guarantee you that wihtout native cultural singificance, and so native political support, the Stein would have the same charming man-made landscape as the Cayoosh or Nahatlatch "with all the trees gone so you can see the mountains".Skookum1 (talk) 03:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, you can source it. For instance, Kosapsom Park here has sources for it's significance and cultural importance. --Haemo (talk) 00:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Yeah....hmmm...I see my title might be problematic because nearly any site in BC or Canada can, if necessary, be deemed to have some kind of significance/importance; I was more meaning "sacred" spaces, but wasn't sure how to word that. Because ultimately, the whole province (BC) has significance/importance aboriginally (not the least because it's the longest running symbol of illegal appropriation of resources by governments....) but it's the "special" ones; how to word that, I don't know; otherwise everything would be in the category/list or whatever it is. There's lots of sites in Wells Gray or Manning or Strathcona that have such significance, and like I said Garibaldi Park includes the sacred areas around Garibaldi and teh Tusk, and also over on the In-SHUCK-ch side of the Garibaldi Ranges, Gunsight Peak, Nes'kato, which is the Lil'wat Ararat; but Garibaldi Park wasn't created to enshrine native cultural/spiritual values; the Stein was; sure Marble Canyon wasn't created for said reason, but it coincices with major spiritual/cultural significance, so there's a grey area; the title needs to be tweaked to exclude less important or not-particularly-spiritual sites; wherever politics has played a part assertion of native cultural heritage will be on the agenda, as with Pacific Spirit Park or teh Great Bear Rainforest. Craigflower/Kosapsom or Pacific Rim National Park; but this even applies to nearly any land-use agenda in BC......so while I welcome the support, it (the cat title/definition) needs to be qualified/refined.....Skookum1 (talk) 04:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there a way to "bot-omate" template placement?

I just discovered in Category:British Columbia school stubs that most entries in the category have no template at all; I just worked my way through the 'A' section, but it's pretty laborious; does anyone know enough bot programming to maybe automate/bot the placement of templates globally across certain categories (excluding, in this case, 'A', and any others that have the same template already, as some will). It would take a couple of days to work my way through just this one category; template being placed is {{WikiProject Canada|bc=yes|education=yes}}.Skookum1 (talk) 18:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I got an answer and there's a bot admin who can run template-placements in whole directories, including switches like bc=yes, schools=yes etc; i.e. we have to custom-design the templates for each category; I'm starting a list somewhere in my sandboxes, or maybe on a project page here I guess is a better place, of which categories need which templates; if anyone else runs across whole bunches of stubs/articles in need of templating, like the schools stubs cat mentioned above, please add it to that list or comment here.Skookum1 (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Need direction on name for Jumbo ski area proposal article and others

I did a google search on the Jumbo ski area proposal, and Jumbo Pass and Jumbo Glacier showed up as well, and Jumbo Resort I think is the working DBA name; as with Cayoosh ski area proposal/Cayoosh Resort (see Cayoosh, a disambig page I just made), the contrast is between an abstract descriptive name and the DBA; the further alternative is the most common in the media; Jumbo Pass I hadn't heard before, Jumbo Glacier I've heard on Global; haven't browed the google results yet. The proposal's not yet listed on Jumbo (disambiguation), I wanted to wait to settle on a title for it first. What's the paradigm here? These are not completed resorts, although there are extant companies. Rail line articles tend towards being about the company, rather than the geography and issues surrounding the line (they also get "washed" by corporate non-entities, as also goes on with political party articles and bios...); considering this I'm leaning towards the "ski area proposal" format because it can be about the debate, rather than the cold hard corporate facts. Maybe. I don't know if there's a Wiki guideline about this, or if it's just "first come first served". Jumbo Glacier is the location of the resort, but would be a glacier article like Spearhead Glacier; Jumbo Glacier Resort may be in fact the official name, or the in-proposal one anyway if not the holding company (Whistler-Blackcomb for years was Intrawest, or rather Blackcomb was until Intrawest bought Whistler, then sold to the guys holding the bag now). It would help to come up wit h a paradigm for this now, as there's also Brohm Ridge ski area proposal, Powder Mountain ski area proposal/Powder Mountain Resort (Inc.), and others; likewise things like the Klappan River coal-bed methane proposal/Klappan Valley coal-bed methane proposal another decision I'd like some input on, or will do a google comparison of the more common term. I doubt if there's a Wikipedia:WikiProject Skiing but let's try that link to see ;-=) There's a host of hydro and other energy proposals, and Brittany Triangle and other logging proposal articles to yet get written; I'm big on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians for Local History which I see integrating well with community and FN articles, and see the potential for enlisting developoment of these articles simply by starting their stubs, such that when someone from one of the orgs or the interested public (or corporate world) googles the item in question, say the Jumbo resort, there's an extant wiki page which encourages input of information. Is this an agenda? I suppose so, but it's also the full extension of the principle of encyclopedism to the organizations of public information/debate and history and public affairs and environment et al ad nauseam; for now all I'm asking is a title format, but also for other proposals and such in need of articles (Quinsam Coal for instance) - and the stubbing up of anything that comes to mind; many articles such as Tahltan, where teh Klappan project is currently written up, could currently be split. Skookum1 (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Geohazard

It really surprised me that this doesn't have an article yet, nor is there a category; I've added some things to Category:Natural disasters in British Columbia (again including some things that could be split, eventually), but geohazards are Category:Natural hazards in British Columbia that haven't happened yet. See discussion on natural dams at Talk:List of reservoirs and dams in Canada (in need of table formatting btw, see List of dams and reservoirs in California, in the bottom of the discussion, where I list off various potential entries; forgot to add the potential/eventual liquefaction of Richmond but again need to find a title for the subject ;-). Geohazards in British Columbia is a grey area; Mount Baker's one of our geohazards, but it's in the States.....Anyway, again, if anyone knows of something that should be listed/articled/tagged with a category please list it here or stub it up; I gather Category:Geohazards can't just be launched. I put a request for Geohazard in at the Geography of Canada WikiProject's todo list but that's a pretty arcane looking list, I doubt it gets looked at much....Skookum1 (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of historical disasters, somewhere there's a List of Great Floods and Great Flood of 1894 (Fraser River) and Great Flood of 1948 (Fraser River) are both worthy topics, not sure what the titles could be. Also the M Creek Disaster comes to mind, whatever ya want to call it; 1982, not just limited to the fatalities at M Creek though. Anyway, gotta run....Skookum1 (talk) 22:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)