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Proposal: photo contests challenges

Bristol is a fantastic city to photograph, and there are several Wikipedians, and loads of non-Wikipedian photographers in Bristol. This is a proposal to use the Bristol Wikiproject to improve the already high-quality collection of Bristol photos and give all us Bristolian photographers some fun challenges. The proposal is to set up a series of photo contests, where we pick a different subject (either a specific article that needs illustrating, or a specific shot that we currently have a suboptimal image of) and give e.g. four weeks for people to shoot their entry followed by a week of peer review and voting for the best (several contests can overlap so there is always one in the voting stage). As far as I know no other Wikiprojects (yet) have anything similar to this proposal. I think it would be fun and good for Wikipedia, what do you think? How many people would be interested in taking part? I'm cross-posting this to flickr, if you know of anybody/group else who might be interested, please cross-post. Joe D (t) 03:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC) (ps: Since I'm out of the country until Aug 9 I don't plan on getting it running right away.)

I've just modified the title because I think challenges fits the idea better. Joe D (t) 03:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
It might be better to say all photos added to Bristol articles in a month reather than making everyone travel to a specific location which might be difficult. I've added a new photo of the church in Bishopsworth - can I submit that even though know it's not a very good photo (I'm a point and click photographer with an old camera)? — Rod talk 19:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think such a setup would be quite as useful -- it would end up just being a montly award for the nicest photo. It may be that my idea appeals much more to the photographers than to the wikipedians (I got a positive response on flickr) because they like the idea of competing with other photographers to get the most interesting shot of a particular subject. Additionally I doubt it would have as much an effect on improving the comprehensiveness and quality of Wikipedia's Bristol photos.
I intend to give at least four weeks notice of each topic, so there should be a reasonable chance to get out and shoot. Joe D (t) 20:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be a nomination section for this so can I suggest Temple Church, Bristol as needing some illustrations.— Rod talk 22:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I've put some pics in of Temple Church & Industrial Museum but the layout is wrong on the page - should we use the gallery otion to make them line up across the page under the entry number?— Rod talk 20:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

ranking 1,2,3,4 etc

I've done an article for Bishopsworth but wasn't sure how to rank it on your 1,2,3,4, scale as it has a photo of the church etc, but can't do the ward map etc. — Rod talk 08:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Museums etc

Can you help to imrpove the listing of Bristol museums at List of museums in England? Only 2 were listed when I looked - I've added British Empire and Commonwealth Museum & SS Great Britain but there must be others that should be included, although I couldn't see many on Category:Visitor attractions in Bristol. Should we have an entry for the Maritime Heritage Centre next to the Great Western Dockyard/SS Great Britain? — Rod talk 20:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Project list of achievements

Would it be appropriate to have a project "list of achievements" or similar on the project page. Bristol & Avon Gorge have made GA status, and the harbour could probably make it before long. The Council House and Exchange have both featured recently on the front page in the "Did you know" section. List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Avon is now a featured list. Shouldn't we celebrate that lot somewhere on the project page? — Rod talk 10:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

list of members

You might add a list of project participants to the project page, too. Badbilltucker 18:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Clay Hill & Crofts End

I've just come accross the articles for Crofts End, Bristol & Clay Hill, Bristol & they seem to refer to the same place & focus on Crofts End Church (they all need a bit of tidying/wikifying). I've put a marge tag on them & wondered if anyone had any comments about the suitability of this?— Rod talk 08:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Userbox for this project

While I was creating some template for the Nursing wikiproject I put together some userboxes so that members could add them to their user pages. While I was at it I did one for the Bristol wikiproject. If you want to add it insert {{User Bristol project}} & it will show as:

This user is a member of the Bristol WikiProject - You can help!

It will also automatically add you to Category:WikiProject Bristol members. This may help to know who is working on Brizzle pages - as I believe one of the previous suggestions was a list of members on the project page. If anyone wants changes to it let me know. — Rod talk 14:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposal: Inviting editors to join this WikiProject

I recently received an invitation to join WikiProject Munich after I edited the Munich article, which I thought was quite a clever idea. Things are a bit quiet around here at the moment, so I thought that it might be good to copy this idea to try and get some more users involved here.

Whenever anyone edits a page related to Munich, Template:WP Munich Invitation is posted to their user talk page informing them of the existence of the WikiProject. I've made a version of that template for our purposes, which is in my sandbox at the moment, but will be moved to Template:WP Bristol invite, that can be posted on the talk page of anyone that edits a Bristol-related page. What does everyone else think? Gasheadsteve 14:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC) Edit: Template moved to Template:WP Bristol invite 09:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea - but perhaps the invite template could be made a little smaller - may I point out your template as an idea on another wikiproject I participate in?— Rod talk 17:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I think it could do with being a bit smaller, I'll have a fiddle around with it and see what I can do. Feel free to suggest it to any other WikiProjects, like I said, I stole the idea from the Munich WikiProject. Gasheadsteve 17:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I've made the template a bit smaller by removing the text that I duplicated from the project page. Gasheadsteve 18:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks better - how does the code "{{#if:{{{1|}}}|Thank you for editing the article [[:{{{1}}}]].}}" work? can the page that they have edited be identified automatically or does the person adding the template need to fill something in here?— Rod talk 19:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
That is an optional parameter so that we can let people know why they are being invited. You can either use {{WP Bristol invite}} for the generic version, or you can use, for example, {{WP Bristol invite|Horfield}} to include the line "Thank you for editing the article Horfield". Gasheadsteve 09:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Members list & photo challenge

I like the idea of having the invite/welcome template above to encourage others to participate in this wikiproject & I was going to use it when Fig wright edited Politics of Bristol. I then realised I didn't really know who was aware of, or involed in, the Bristol Wikiproject & I didn't want to send it to those that are already involved! Most other projects have a list of "members" so I've started one on the WikiProject Bristol page. If people could add themselves & interests then we could avoid using the invite template to those who are already on board.

While doing this I noticed all the dates on the photo challenge have long past & it seems inactive - but I'm loath to delete it if others are still actively working on it or interested in getting it going again. What do others think?— Rod talk 20:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not averse to the idea of competitions as such, but I think if we want to 'fill in the holes' as quickly as possible we would be best not to encourage people to all photograph the same thing. And January ain't the best time for photography here. I would welcome some general debate on what makes a good subject for a photo to accompany an article on an undistinguished place (I have added all too many pictures of churches myself); and specific ideas for what to photograph as landmarks for various localities around Bristol. William Avery 19:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I've archived the photo challenge at Wikipedia:WikiProject Bristol/Photo challenge, seeing as it has been inactive for some time. It can be restored to the project page if it is decided to restart it in the future. Gasheadsteve 17:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Spam on Bristol-related articles

A bunch of linkspam has been added to Bristol-related articles by Bristolhistorybuff (talk • contribs) and 82.45.2.76 (talk • contribs), they very kindly added over 2kb of advertising for their website to the Bristol article, which I have since reverted. I could do with some help going through all the other pages that they've added stuff to and either revert what they've done or tidy it up. Some interesting information has been added to Longwell Green, but it seriously needs tidying up. The only article which should have an external link to this website is, IMHO, History of Bristol. I'm at work at the moment, so I can't really sit here fixing it all myself. Gasheadsteve 09:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

After posting several warnings on the user talk page, I've reported them on Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. There's plenty of work to be done removing all of these edits... Gasheadsteve 11:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Update:User has been banned and all spam has been reverted by the administrators. Everything is bright and fluffy again :) Gasheadsteve 12:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject Bristol Invite

Hey Guys, Got an invite from Gasheadsteve to join the WikiProject, but I figure I may as well post my response here. I'd be happy to give a hand, but at the moment my own personal computer isn't working so I have to use my brother's PC which I only get fairly limited time on. However, I do plan to buy myself a new PC soon (hopefully) and I'll keep you guys posted on that.

I'm also still a bit of a newbie when it comes to most things on Wikipedia, I tend to just add little bits of info here and there.

I look forward to working with you guys once I get my PC sorted

—Gasheaduk 20:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to the project. Things are a bit quiet here at the moment, which is why we've been inviting new members. Feel free to add yourself to the member list on the project page, and to invite anyone else that you think might be interested. Gasheadsteve 09:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Transport

I thing there needs to be some list of all the roads, statons, ect in bristol because otherwise its gona be hard to know what we have and dont have. mark999

I think a list of all the roads in Bristol would be overkill :) As for the others, that sounds pretty useful. I'm planning on having a tidyup of the project page at some point (unless some nice person reading this wants to do it), and I'll add that to the to do list. I've created a navigation template called Template:Areas of Bristol which I've added to the bottom of the appropriate articles. We could also do with a template to go on the talk page of all articles that come under the WP:Bristol umbrella, similar to Template:Bio or Template:Football, to advertise the existence of the project and to help with keeping track of the status of all 'our' articles. Basically, there's a lot to be done in every area of the Bristol WikiProject. Gasheadsteve 12:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

On areas of Bristol, we can put what bus services serve there, I can do this and all the transport stuff, mark999 17:32 16:02:07

Talk page template

I've made a rough version of a template to be added to the talk page of Bristol articles, based on the ones used by other wikiprojects. It's not very pretty at the moment, but the functionality is there.

It has five optional arguments:

  • class, which is the standard of the article as it stands. The valid responses are those listed at Template:Grading scheme, i.e. FA, A, GA, B, Start, Stub or NA.
  • photo - whether or not the article contains or needs a photo
  • map - whether or not the article needs a map
  • ibox - does the article need an infobox?
  • stats - states whether the article needs statistical information, e.g. population, visitor numbers etc.

The last four arguments all have the same possible values:

  • yes - this information is already contained in the article
  • needs - this information is needed by the article
  • na - this information is not required by the article

If you don't enter any value then that piece of information is not displayed on the screen.

At the moment the template is at User:Gasheadsteve/Sandbox2, and it is transcluded on User:Gasheadsteve/Sandbox3, so if you go to Sandbox3, you can try different values and see what happens. An example of valid symtax is:

{{User:Gasheadsteve/Sandbox2
| class=stub
| photo=
| map=needs
| ibox=na
| stats=needs
}}

It also puts articles into categories based on the values entered, for example photo = needs would put the article into Category:Bristol articles needing photos. This means that we can lose the very large table on the project page with the status of each article listed on it, this will be replaced by categories. If there's any other information that anyone thinks needs to be added, let me know. Any thoughts or comments will be welcome. Gasheadsteve 11:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this could be useful (& yet again I might nick & adapt for other projects) but the layout on User:Gasheadsteve/Sandbox3 seems to give the map value left aligned & infobox & stats alligned differently which looks "funny".— Rod talk 15:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I think I've fixed that now. This is mainly to check for functionality rather than beauty, I'll try and make it a bit better looking with a border and some colour later on. Gasheadsteve 15:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've moved the project banner to Template:Bristol. If anyone creates a new article, could you add {{Bristol}} to the talk page so that it shows up in the new categories that I'm going to create. It also needs to be added to the talk pages of all existing Bristol-related articles, preferably with a rating. If you don't have time to fill in all the arguments, just adding the template is better than nothing. Thanks. Gasheadsteve 11:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Stats

What stats would be required, other than those covered in the infobox? Simply south 15:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Some articles don't have infoboxes (& there may be some that don't need one or there isn't a suitable infobox available). For areas of the city this would be population data, but for museums, footbal grounds, concert halls etc this may well be capacity or attendance figures. For buildings & structures could be height, diameter, year of construction etc. For ships it's length, beam, displacement etc for schools it might be number of students on the roll etc - so it really depends on the sort of article.— Rod talk 15:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I think some info boxes would be really good for i) areas of the city eg. Montpelier, Stapleton road etc and also a box for the Severn Beach Railway line - but as i said in the pgph above, i've no clue how to do one of those! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gazzelle (talk • contribs) 19:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
However, some articles have been tagged as not having stats, even if there are some in the infobox (railway stations for now). Simply south 18:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Areas of Bristol

As a resident of Bristol i'm a bit confused about all the area names, confounded by the fact that they're always referred to differently by different people, organisations and government. An example is perhaps Ashley Ward which is a govt. designated Ward, with a census count and lots of data about it but on Wikipedia it's referred to as Ashley Down (and in most of my real-life experience also), but in fact the area, or parts of the area are variously referred to as Montpelier, St Andrews, St Pauls and so on.

Is there a way for WikiProject Bristol to clarify all of these - i'm not sure how exactly, perhaps the officially designated wards could have priority and then have something on those pages that links to the areas that are included in that ward - for example??? I'm primarily concerned that we don't end up duplicating data for example parts of Gloucester Road are in St Andrews, and also in Bishopston so both those articles are likely to have something on Gloucester Road but that's a bit confusing perhaps for the reader. I realise area names are very wishy washy anyway, but it might be worth a try... Any thoughts? Gazzelle 14:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I've lived in Bristol all my life and this confuses the hell out of me too. There's loads of places on the list in Template:Areas of Bristol that I've never heard of before. The problem with the areas/districts/suburbs/divisions or whatever else you want to call them is that the boundaries all seem to be fairly flexible, and new names for places seem to be invented all the time, usually at the whim of estate agents trying to make the location of a house sound better. Perhaps it would be better to either divide the template Areas of Bristol in two, with council wards in the top section and other areas in the bottom, or have two separate templates with this information. I think it would also be a good idea to start a new article called Areas of Bristol or something similar to explain the status of the areas fully. I haven't really got time to do this myself at the moment, so I'll add it to the to-do list on the project page. Gasheadsteve 18:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I've also been very confused by this with trying to do the infoboxes etc. I've also not heard of some of the areas which means I don't know where to start looking on my map sources etc. Iused to live in Lockleaze but estate agents called in Horfield ! (I now live in Somerset). A suggestion for a way forward which could be explained in the article Areas of Bristol and reflected in Template:Areas of Bristol.
Wards of Bristol (to include all those on Ward finder - probably using the same title) ie Ashley, Avonmouth, Bedminster, Bishopston, Bishopsworth, Brislington East, Brislington West, Cabot, Clifton, Clifton East, Cotham, Easton, Eastville, Filwood, Frome Vale, Hartcliffe, Henbury, Hengrove, Henleaze, Hillfields, Horfield, Kingsweston, Knowle, Lawrence Hill, Lockleaze, Redland, Southmead, Southville, St. George East, St. George West, Stockwood, Stoke Bishop, Westbury-on-Trym, Whitchurch Park & Windmill Hill. (NB I don't recognise some of them & not sure about East & West descriptors) - each of these would include a list of the other areas we have articles for which are contained within them. The smaller areas should include reference to the ward within which they are contained.
I don't know how we could deal with articles like: Bristol city centre & Canons Marsh which don't relate to wards.
I have some major problems with articles which were added to the template & 1 line articles created - which I think may be put up for deletion unless we want to expand them ie: Ashton Vale, Baptist Mills, Bristol, Botany Bay, Bristol, Burchells Green, Bristol, Chesterfield Park, Hillfields, Bristol, Kingsdown, Bristol, Newtown, Bristol, Ridgeway, Bristol, Rookery Farm, Rose Green, Bristol, St James Barton (I thought that was just the name of the roundabout), St Philips Marsh, Bristol, Two Mile Hill, Bristol, Victoria Park, Bristol and Whiteway, Bristol. What does everyone think we should do with them?— Rod talk 19:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree that we could do with a purge of some of the sillier places from the list. When I created the template I included all areas that were mentioned in as many articles and categories as I could find. I didn't want to make the mistake of leaving out a 'good' area just because I hadn't heard of it, but on the other hand perhaps I should have been a bit more selective. All of the single-sentence artices may meet Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion (A1 - Very short articles providing little or no context), so we need to decide which to expand and which to get rid of.
Like I said before, I don't want to delete stuff just because I haven't heard of it, but I'm going to prod St James Barton and remove it from the template. As far as I can tell it only applies to the roundabout and the flats where Avon House North used to be. Gasheadsteve 20:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I've also prodded Chesterfield Park. I can't find any information about the place anywhere. Someone questioned it's existence way back in August 2005 on Talk:Bristol, and nobody posted a message confirming its existence. Gasheadsteve 20:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I've now had a go at creating the Areas of Bristol article, as mentioned above. It needs a bit of padding out, but the basic idea is there. Gasheadsteve 21:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Greater Bristol & Avon (county)

I've put a merge tag on Greater Bristol & Avon (county) - has anybody got any thoughts about whether both of these articles are needed?— Rod talk 20:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that some of it should be merged into Avon (county), but perhaps some of it could be moved to Bristol urban area or into a new section of Bristol? It would be useful to have a definition of the Bristol urban area somewhere on Wikipedia. Gasheadsteve 20:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Unassesed Articles

I have spent the last 3 hours asessing over 70 Bristol articles they are not all asessed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mark999 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

History & buildings

I also added a few more assessment boxes to Bristol articles. I've done a bit of editing on Bristol Blitz and Bristol Riots as one was replaced with (relevant) copyright material & the other had an "expand" tag on it since January. I've also just come across Churches in Bristol and List of Buildings in Bristol, which I didn't know existed until today. Does anyone know if these are accurate & should we have articles for all the buildings listed? Any help with any of these appreciated.— Rod talk 16:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 ? Bristol main page for peer review

The main article for Bristol has undergone several edits recently & I think is approaching a comprehensive state with good quality writing, pictures etc. Do you think it would be worth putting it up for Wikipedia:Peer review to get other suggestions for improvements which could be made to it? This is one of the normal stages before nominating an article for Featured Article status. I don't think I can do this as I already have Mendip Hills going through a peer review prior to an FA nomination. If someone is willing to put Bristol up for review, it does mean that we need to monitor the comments and suggestions & be prepared to make the necessary edits. What does everyone think?— Rod talk 20:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea to try it. Unfortunately I'm a bit busy with other commitments at the moment to monitor the feedback, so I can't do it myself, but if anyone else out there wants to sort this out then go for it. Gasheadsteve 18:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

New infobox

A new infobox has been developed for use on UK places articles. If you have any concerns or appraisals, please make them at Template talk:Infobox UK place. Regards, Jhamez84 02:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Ideas and comments

Can there be sport info on the Bristol page?

There is sport info on the Bristol page. Joe D (t) 14:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Architecture

This discussion has been moved to Talk:Buildings and architecture of Bristol.

Infobox flag straw poll

Hello fellow editors. A straw poll has opened today (27th March 2007) regarding the use of flags on the United Kingdom place infoboxes. There are several potential options to use, and would like as many contrubutors to vote on which we should decide upon. The straw poll is found here. If joining the debate, please keep a cool head and remain civil. We look forward to seeing you there. Jhamez84 11:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Weclome to new members & work to do

There seem to be quite few new members of this wikiproject over the last couple of weeks & this seems like the best place to say welcome.

Activity does seem to have increased as well & I don't think Gasheadsteve's comment on 18th Jan that "Things are a bit quiet here at the moment" applies any longer.

The use of the Template:Bristol on a lot of the Bristol related articles means we have a much better idea of where we are at & what needs to be done. There are still 114 articles which are unassessed, which need to be rated with the scale at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ, and we have 90 stubs, 61 start class, 18 B class, 1 Good article, and 2 A class. Of these 91 need an infobox, 100 need maps, 127 need statistics and 72 need photos.

Obviously one of the main purposes of the project is to get the main Bristol article to meet the featured article criteria and any edits/suggestions for this would be welcome. We could put it up for Peer review to get more suggestions of how it could be improved, if you think that is a good idea?

It can be more fun to work together to improve an article & many projects have a "Collaboration of the Month" (or week if there is enough interest) - do you think this would be a good idea, would you participate & which articles would you nominate for this?

I'm sure there are also Bristol related topics which don't yet have an article - these could be included in a "requests" section on the project page.

How do you feel about these ideas & what other suggestions do you you have for the WikiProject Bristol?— Rod talk 14:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I've just popped along in response to the invite i recieved after modifying the public transport page. I've just had a go with St Andrews page, i'll get together some photos in the near future too. I can probably contribute in Montpelier, St Andrews, Transport, UWE but i'm relatively new to Wikipedia so i'm not too confident about creating boxes and fancy things like that. Thanks Gazzelle 19:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Apologies for missing this message when it was posted, I only noticed it when I was archiving all of the old threads. I think that a Collaboration of the Month is a good idea, we've got loads of articles of stub and start status, but very few high quality articles, so an improvement drive would be good.
I suppose the obvious first article to collaborate on would be Bristol, to bring it up to FA status. After that I would suggest picking a B-class article to improve, or one of the more important start- or stub-class articles. Gasheadsteve 16:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Grade I listed buildings in Bristol - featured list candidate

I've put Grade I listed buildings in Bristol up as a candidate for Featured list. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Grade I listed buildings in Bristol. It is sure to attract comments about formatting & other issues so if anyone fancies making any comments or expressing support (or opposition) or helping to address any comments or objections made that would be great.— Rod talk 22:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting the list promoted, that was great work. Gasheadsteve 06:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Good article candidate

I've just listed Bristol Rovers F.C. as a possible good article. Feel free to add your comments to the discussion. Gasheadsteve 21:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Bristol article peer review

I've put the main Bristol article up for peer review. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Peer review/Bristol/archive2 if anyone wants to contribute.— Rod talk 16:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Scheduled Ancient Monuments in Bristol

While checking some references on the Bristol article I came across this list which shows there are 23 Scheduled Ancient Monuments in Bristol - we have article about some of them (& this info should be added to them), but there are others where do not seem to have anything on wikipedia about them - anyone able to look into this?— Rod talk 17:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Infobox UK place: 'map_type = Bristol'

Should we be using the 'map_type = Bristol' parameter on UK place infoboxes? I've added it to Henbury to show the effect. William Avery 12:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

That was the intention, and I've been using it on a few of the suburb articles. The only cases where I haven't been using it is on articles about council wards, for which I have a map showing ward boundaries. Joe D (t) 12:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I find the ward and area maps really useful - thank you. Should we also be using them for streets & squares etc listed on Category:Squares in Bristol, Category:Streets in Bristol etc and individual buildings on Category:Buildings and structures in Bristol and schools Category:Education in Bristol & parks & visitor attractions etc Category:Visitor attractions in Bristol? If so that is a pretty big set of work! just to let you know User:Guiltyspark has kindly offered to do coord templates for all the listed buildings!— Rod talk 13:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I added latitude, longitude and map_type fields to {{Infobox Historic building}}, so maps can easily be added to any article that uses those. I also added maps to a few schools because they were in the maps needed category. In my opinion, {{Infobox religious building}} could do with some style cleanup, to make it more like other infoboxes, so I might petition for similar map fields in that too, while I'm there. Joe D (t) 14:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks - I've just tried this out on Glenside, Bristol & it works but is right on the edge of the map - how do we deal with Kingswood etc which I know are technically in S Glos but we have always included them in Bristol (?Greater Bristol) lists - is there an alternative to map_type = Bristol ?— Rod talk 16:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Soon there should be maps for all the ceremonial counties, but I don't think Somerset or Gloucestershire have been done yet, so for now there aren't any. I could easily make one covering the old Avon area, but I'm not sure if that would go down too well? It might be useful for Filton, Kingswood, etc, that are part of the city but not the county. Joe D (t) 18:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What do you guys use to find coordinates for maps? I tend to use the BeeLoop Geotagr, but I was wondering if there's anything better out there. Gasheadsteve 17:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I just copy them from Multimap. Joe D (t) 18:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Per the request, this now also works with:

Same markup as the others. Any other templates we should ask for it in? Joe D (t) 10:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Possibly {{infobox zoo}} - but we only have one example of that & possibly {{Infobox_Bridge}}, {{Infobox park}}, {{Sculpture}} and possibly {{Infobox Ship}} but that might be problematic unless they are stationary like SS Great Britain.— Rod talk 11:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Broomhill

We have an article about Broomhill, Bristol, that appears in fact to be about Broom Hill. Broomhill is on the Frome north of Eastville Park, west of Fishponds, while Broom Hill is on the Avon and GWR next to Brislington. There's very little info on the articles anyway, so I was thinking of maybe just merging them into the Frome Vale and Brislington articles respectively. Does anybody object? Joe D (t) 19:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

No objections from me. I don't think either Broom Hill or Broomhill really need their own articles, merging them seems sensible. Gasheadsteve 19:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Buildings and architecture of Bristol

I've put Buildings and architecture of Bristol on WikiProject Architecture peer review. Discussion is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture/Peer review/Buildings and architecture of Bristol if anyone wants to contribute.— Rod talk 14:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Clifton Suspension Bridge - failed GA

Clifton Suspension Bridge has failed to get GA but there are some really useful comments (from an editor who lives in Bristol) about how it could be improved to meet the guidelines on it's talk page, if anyone fancies working with me on meeting them.— Rod talk 18:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Outskirt villages

Should villages which are on the outskirts of Bristol, but technically in South Gloucestershire, be marked as being part of the Bristol Wikiproject? Scibah 16:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

My feeling is that anywhere with a Bristol postal address should be included, which means places like Yate, Yatton, Thornbury and Portishead should be included, but places like Clevedon or Wotton-under-Edge should not be. What does everyone else think? Gasheadsteve 17:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I think common usage might be better than post codes. I would suggest that Kingswood is obviously in but lots of places in the BS postcode area eg the Chew Valley are out. Perhaps those in Greater Bristol are in but others in the county of Avon out. I don't think there is a simple answer.— Rod talk 17:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be better to decide each one on an individual basis. Someone could post a message here saying "should town x be included?" and we could discuss the pros and cons of including it either here, or on the article's talk page. Gasheadsteve 18:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Bristol Harbour - GA on hold

Hi, Bristol Harbour has had a GA review which is on hold (for 2-7) days pending some revisions - the feedback is on Talk:Bristol Harbour - would anyone be able to help get this to GA status?— Rod talk 17:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the comments, i think i can help out a bit (I hope!). Scibah 12:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Bristol Harbour GA Review

As the reviewer, I am notifying you as the parent project that this article has passed the GA Review. Regards --Fritzpoll 21:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

bristol-related page names

I noticed that Cube Microplex was moved to Cube Microplex, Bristol. This also appears to have happened to a large number of other bristol-related articles. Is this a part of some wikipedia naming policy unknown to me? These types of changes would seem to violate the normal disambiguation style, and in the case of things like the cube, changing the name is completely unnecessary as there is only one thing called the "cube microplex." KellenT 10:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with you, article names should only be disambiguated if there are multiple articles which would have the same name. When there is only a single article the most common name should be used. Have you noticed if a single person has moved them all, because it might be worth leaving a note on their talk page asking for their reasoning. Gasheadsteve 10:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't appear that it was all done by a single user, though the moving user (Jheald (talk · contribs)) did move some other pages in a similar fashion. KellenT 10:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I made the move when working on Category:Cinemas in England, when I was doing a merge following an CFD to delete a category on independent cinemas in the UK. Since most of the cinema names are so generic and so unindicative, it seemed to me useful for browsers of such a category if the cinema names heading the articles also included the place name. If people feel the Cube Microplex is sufficiently identifiable nationally that Bristol is not required, then I wouldn't object. Jheald 11:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Do you have any other examples of pages that have been moved? The test is whether a user would expect a page on the given topic to come up if they entered the ambiguous (undisambiguated?) title. Cube Microplex seems to pass that uniqueness test. I can see why articles were created as e.g.Robinson's Warehouse, Bristol, anticipating that creation of articles on other Robinson's Warehouses, such as the ones in Gloucester and Newcastle. William Avery 10:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I haven't been watching these pages, so I can't attest to them being moved, but there are a number of pages named similarly. For example: Granary, Bristol, Hatchet Inn, Bristol, Foster's Almshouses, Bristol, City Road Baptist Church, Bristol, Commercial Rooms, Bristol, County Cricket Ground, Bristol. My impression is that the naming here violates normal wikipedia policy, but more importantly that it violates common sense as anybody who's going to be looking for the Granary, for example, is going to go to Granary and expect to find a disambiguation link to Granary (Bristol) (or similarly named thing). It appeared to me that the "thingname, place" form was reserved for cities, counties and districts; extending it to each of the structures in those areas seems both confusing and like overkill. Then again, I don't edit many structure/place-related articles so I might be missing something obvious. KellenT 16:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
"Granary, Bristol" is a "similarly named thing": there's no policy to say that brackets must be used. Feel free to create Granary(disambiguation) and make the necessary changes at Granary, and also redirects from Hatchet Inn to Hatchet Inn, Bristol etc, if you feel they are needed. Please don't do anything that will require extensive future edits to Bristol articles when someone decides to create an article on some other "Hatchet Inn", or "County Ground". William Avery 19:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not planning on doing any major cleanup of Bristol-related articles, I just noticed the Cube microplex move which seemed nonsensical. Updating disambig links is a pretty minor thing for a bot or even a person to do, however, so you shouldn't worry to heavily about that. I'm going to move Cube Microplex back to where it was since it's really unlikely we'll have any naming collisions. KellenT 21:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Project award

I think it would be a nice idea to create some sort of WikiProject Bristol award, similar to these ones used by other projects. It's always nice to get a pat on the back and some recognition for the work you've done. Here's the problem though... I've got zero artistic ability, so if anyone thinks this is a good idea and wants to have a go at designing the WP:Bristol award, that would be cool. Gasheadsteve 19:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

 ? Bristol portal

I had a different development suggestion... do people think we have enough good quality content to create a "portal" for Bristol. If you take a look at Portal:England and the "subportals" for cities,counties etc on the right of the page you will get the idea. South West England doesn't have one yet but we could follow the London or Cornwall examples. Wikipedia:Portal/Instructions gives the code to create it - looks a bit complex but manageable - but do we have enough good quality content - articles, pictures etc to populate it & do we have people willing to keep it updated? Would our energies be better spent getting Bristol up to FA status?— Rod talk 19:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, I'm not sure if we've got enough quality articles to make it work at the moment though. What does everyone else think? Gasheadsteve 14:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
OK first stab is up at Portal:Bristol very much under construction at present - as always if anyone wants to edit or add bits please do. Any preferred colour scheme?— Rod talk 16:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Great work, it looks really good. I'll help keep it updated. Gasheadsteve 20:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the selected articles in the portal. Monthly updates seem like a sensible time frame at the moment due to the small number of good quality articles. Gasheadsteve 19:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Great work & I would agree monthly changes seem appropriate - however if we were clever with code (& I am not) we could automate the process to get "random" displays - as discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject portal dynamics & Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. Portal:Kent seem to have got this working - but I'm not sure how?— Rod talk 19:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

People from Categories

A discussion has been opened at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London#Category:People from Ealing by district about upmerging local area categories for People from... into current local government boundaries only. This could have implications across the whole of England if carried through. Your are invited to join the discussion. The proposer is planning a massive merge by 22nd June if no objections are received. Regan123 11:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Article for deletion

I've noticed that a Bristol-related article is up for deletion. BURST, the Bristol University student radio station has been nominated due to notability concerns. If you want to make any comments, the AfD is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BURST. Gasheadsteve 17:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Bristol artciles ?? for expansion or deletion

Over the last week or so I've added over 100 infoboxes to articles to those tagged at Category:Bristol articles needing an infobox - some of which need postcodes, populations etc still adding - and I will continue with this (slowly) but I've come accross quite a few articles (listed below) which just say "X is located in Bristol" & have the areas of Bristol template added. They have been like this since Feb. I do not feel there is enough information to make these worthwhile (& there is not even a grid ref or anything to let me add the infobox), therefore I would suggest if they are not expanded in the next couple of weeks we should put them up for deletion - what does everyone else think? The articles concerned are:

& there are quite a few others left on Category:Bristol articles needing an infobox which also need attention. What do you think? — Rod talk 16:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice work on all the infoboxes! As for these articles, I'd be inclined to speedy them under CSD:A1 (Very short articles providing little or no context). If anyone has got more info to add at a later date they can always re-create the article. If no-one posts any objections here in the next couple of days, I'll go ahead and mark them for deletion. Gasheadsteve 19:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I've tagged most of the above articles for speedy deletion. Botany Bay, Bristol probably contains enough info for it not to be speedy-able, so I've prodded that one. Gasheadsteve 19:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree that in their current state they are probably not worth having. However as they are part of Template:Areas of Bristol their deletion would leave many red links. Although that isn't really a problem it means they might be recreated quickly again with very little content. I suppose my question is, is it worthwhle to leave them in the template? Cheers Suicidalhamster 19:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I think they should be removed from the template as well.— Rod talk 19:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Article requests for tall buildings

I've just added 5 buildings to the requested articles section of the "to do" list - these appear as redlinks on Buildings and architecture of Bristol, which I'm currently editing in the light of it's acquiring GA status & a peer review from the WikiProject Architecture. Any help to improve it (possibly up to FA) would be appreciated.— Rod talk 19:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Change to invite template

I've made a slight change to Template:WP Bristol invite. You no longer need to sign when you leave the invite on someone's talk page, your signature should, hopefully, be automatically included inside the template. Gasheadsteve 07:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Note, this only works if the template is 'subst'ed, rather than transcluded. i.e. use {{subst:WP Bristol invite}}. Gasheadsteve 08:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible coat of arms deletion

Just for info: There's a deletion discussion going on at Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Vector-Images.com for the vector-images.com template and all images uploaded from vector-images.com, of which Image:Bristol city coa.gif is one.

As a backup, I've uploaded a photo of the coa from Flickr here, which we can crop down and replace the existing one with if it is deleted. It may be that no action is needed, this is just a heads up. Gasheadsteve 11:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Another Bristol-related AfD

Another Bristol-related article is up for deletion, this time Football teams in Bristol. Any comments can be made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Football teams in Bristol. Gasheadsteve 10:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Bristol August update

I was thinking it might be a good idea to change the selected articles at the beginning of each month, rather than halfway through. That way we can call articles the "selected article for August", or whatever month. Anyone got any thoughts on which articles/photos they'd like to see included for August?

I've also created a talk page banner for our selected articles at Template:Bristol selected article, which I've copied and changed slightly from the one used at Portal:Formula One. Gasheadsteve 20:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Updates

I have improved transport for bristol, and loads of related artivcles now im curently expanding them. Im also sorting out the areas of Bristol. Mark999 19:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)