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[edit] Spedona

I can't believe how many of our articles fr:Utilisateur:Spedona has translated into French! It is amazing: fr:Écologie des Banksias, fr:Banksia epica, fr:Banksia intégrifolia, fr:Banksia integrifolia subsp. compar, fr:Banksia integrifolia subsp. integrifolia, fr:Banksia integrifolia subsp. monticola, fr:Taxonomie de l'espèce Banksia integrifolia, fr:Banksia marginata, fr:Banksia paludosa, fr:Banksia spinulosa, fr:The Genus Banksia L.f. (Proteaceae), fr:Alex George, fr:Supplementum Plantarum... Okay, that's not that many, but it's still one heck of an effort.

What say we make him an honorary member? Hesperian 12:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Reckon he diserves more than an honorary title, Gnangarra 12:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

(..................couldn't think of anything witty in french) ditto. Cas Liber 19:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Something like the below? - It is currently crap, please fix it for me :-(

Whatever we end up with, it will look a little different on the French 'pedia, as we'd have to use

{{Récompense|Rosetta Barnstar.png|Awarded to Spedona for prolific translation of articles related to ''[[Banksia]]''}}

rather than

{{The Rosetta Barnstar|Awarded to Spedona for prolific translation of articles related to ''[[Banksia]]''}}

Hesperian 00:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello,
The English Wikipedia's WikiProject Banksia is very impressed and grateful for your efforts in translating so many of our Banksia articles. You are now an honorary member of the project.

		The Rosetta Barnstar
		Awarded to Spedona by the English Wikipedia's WikiProject Banksia for prolific translation of articles related to Banksia

[edit] Update

Spedona has discovered that he has been listed as an honorary member at WP:BANKSIA. I don't know if he has seen this discussion; I guess not. He has added a translated version of our user box to his user and talk pages, with text "Cet utilisateur est un membre honorifique de WikiProject Banksia" ("This user is an honorary member of WikiProject Banksia").

He has also left a message on his and my talk pages:

"Cher Hesperian, merci de m'avoir désigné comme membre honoraire du Project:Banksia. Voila qui m'encourage à persévérer. En effet, j'ai commencé par traduire en français l'article Banksia integrifolia puis tous les articles liés, et le travail n'est pas fini. Merci aussi à tous les contributeurs anglophones qui me donnent la matière sur ce genre de plante plutôt exotique en France. Excuses-moi de m'exprimer en français, mais si je comprends assez l'anglais pour transposer les articles, je suis tout à fait incapable de m'exprimer en cette langue. Thanks you ! 82.124.21.243 15:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC) (Spedona)

which translates roughly as

"Dear Hesperian, thank you for having designated me an honorary member of Project:Banksia. The discovery has encouraged me to persevere. Indeed, I started by translating into French the article Banksia integrifolia, then all the linked articles, and work is not finished. Thanks also to all the English-speaking contributors who supplied the material on this species of rather exotic plant in France. Excuse me for expressing myself in French, but though I understand enough English to translate the articles, I am completely unable to express myself in this language. Thank you! 82.124.21.243 15:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC) (Spedona)

Hesperian 03:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I did the translation of the user box then posted to his talk page with a thankyou for his efforts, finally a use for 3 years of high school french 8) Gnangarra 04:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. You didn't identify yourself, so he must have checked the edit history of WP:BANKSIA, saw that it was me that added him as an honorary member, and attributed your message to me. Apologies for stealing the credit :-(

And I bet you're still not as good as Google translate. ;-) Hesperian 04:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Or as fast lol, I dont mind you getting the credit it was your idea and he deserves the recognition. Gnangarra 04:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The translated userbox was an excellent idea. He seems delighted. Hesperian 03:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Banksia epica ready for FAC?

Is Banksia epica ready for FAC? I think so. Hesperian 11:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

99.96% two small thoughts left on talk page, short lead but I cant see anything that would create a substancial second para Gnan garra

[edit] Banksia collection

Did anyone in WA see Gardening Australia on Saturday night, you may already be aware, but just in case a couple have a collection of all the Banksias. It might be worth checking out. --Peta 23:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep, we know about Kevin and Kathy and the Banksia Farm. Kevin is very active in the cultivation scene, and has garnered a few mentions and references in articles e.g. at Banksia rosserae. Unfortunately Mount Barker is 350 kilometres south of Perth, so it isn't easy to get there. I tried to visit when holidaying down that way last month, but it is closed for the offseason. Hesperian 23:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone thought to write to them to ask for photos for wikipedia? It'd save someone another long trip. --Peta 00:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been there and correspond with Kevin regularly. Kevin and Alex George are pretty busy with a new banksia book which could prove tricky in terms of copyright etc. I will have alook as I have some more images I can upload (and then we can hunt around for the rest). cheers Cas Liber 05:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Shrub" or "Woody Bush"

I noticed that lots of the banksia articles refer to themselves as shrubs. The shrub article says it is a horticultural term and that woody plant is a more botanical term. If so, are the banksia articles horticultural or botanical? I have no idea but wondered if your use of one over the other was deliberate. —Moondyne 07:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you've slightly misread a rather poorly expressed article. A woody plant is a plant with a perennial stem, such as a tree, a shrub, a subshrubs and a perennial vines. A shrub is a particular kind of woody plant - it is a woody plant with multiple stems and small size.

The article appears to be trying to stop people from getting the idea that "shrub" is a taxon. So it makes the ridiculous claim that grouping plants by form is only useful to horticulturists, not botanists. In fact, "shrub" may be a useless grouping to plant taxonomists, but it is highly useful to, and regularly used by, other kinds of botanist, such as those that deal with vegetation communities.

Hesperian 22:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What next

Cas wrote on my user talk page:

What next, the genus or do you want to get another species up there? cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 01:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm ready to tackle the genus again; what do you guys reckon? But I think as part of the process of getting Banksia up, we'll have to get the daughter articles ecology of Banksia and taxonomy of Banksia up to scratch. I can see me getting carried away and trying to get those through FA first. ;-) Hesperian 01:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

That's fine - we could put a rain check on it for a moment and get stuck into a bit of editing of the 3 of them and see what falls out as an article folk want to work on. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 02:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Lets leave it open for the time being, and when an article becomes obvious we can concentrate on that. Gnan garra 02:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, agree, that seems to work best.... except that one could argue that we get all the easy ones done (e.g. telmatiaea and rosserae are looking next best at the moment) and never tackle the hard ones.

I still fiddle with the draft list of banksia species every now and then. That could be a featured list if we ever get it finished. Hesperian 02:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the criteria, getting a Featured List seems eminently doable I'd think. that may be the easiest one to do but will have a look around. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 04:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, guys, Banksia telmatiaea is coming along a treat! I hadn't seen it before now. Rosserae is too short I think and there is precious little extra info to add. Difficult and easy pages are a matter of opinion I guess.... cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

One day when I was bored I googled each Banksia species and took note of the page hit counts, as a rough measure of the prominence of each species. With the exception of the fossil B. kingii, B. telmatiaea came dead last. So I took pity on it and decided to tart it up a bit. Hesperian 23:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we probably all agree that FA is on hold while we deal with the Dryandra situation. And on that note...

Hey - just had an idea, what about working towards Bankia species as a Featured List.....or otherwise Banksia (Dryandra) sessilis...............cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

(Gawd I have Alzheimers I think.........)....cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's just call it a "great minds think alike" moment. ;-) Hesperian 13:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Mast & Thiele has invalidated chunks of our featured articles. I'm reluctant to feature anything else while our featured articles don't really deserve to be so. I've got Banksia brownii back up to scratch (IMO - correct me if you disagree), but it wore me out. I'm recharging my enthusiasm to do Banksia integrifolia and Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia. Then I'll do Banksia epica, and then we can talk about featuring something else. How does that sound. Hesperian 13:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds great -been a bit busy on Red-tailed Black Cockatoo, Common Raven and Amanita phalloides as well as trying to save Humpback Whale at FAR (this last one higlhights the need to keep the articles up to date.....)cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 13:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

...I must say I have a rather selfish ambition to get one to FA which I started the stub on..these include - Banksia aemula, Banksia attenuata, Banksia blechnifolia, Banksia ericifolia, Banksia petiolaris, Banksia prionotes, Banksia robur, Banksia sceptrum or Banksia spinulosa as some possibles with spinulosa and ericifolia as my favourites (and most likely to..) cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dryandra

I made a list of things we need to do to handle the merger at Wikipedia:WikiProject Banksia/Project maintenance. The list currently stands at 165 items, but in some cases there is nothing to be done because I have listed the need to move articles that don't exist yet. Scary, but exciting. Hesperian 13:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm gradually getting a handle on this. Unfortunately there are a couple of omissions in the paper (most importantly, no nom. nov. for Dryandra prionotes), and it is unclear onto which arrangement the new subgenus Spathulatae should be grafted - I suspect they've resurrected Thiele and Ladiges' arrangement, but if so they aren't explicit about it. I've sent Austin Mast an email asking for clarification. Unfortunately, things are likely to remain very confused for a few months yet. We might be able to get it straight in our heads, but not be able to write it down for fear of an OR breach. Hopefully the good people at APNI will get onto it reasonably promptly. Hesperian 00:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

.....and a big job just got bigger. I'd suspect alot of Thiele and Ladiges names will stay, especially in subgenus Spathulatae. I sent a couple of ideas for names to Austin and Kevin some time ago - they're both pretty friendly guys. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 11:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope you suggested georgii or georgiana. He deserves it. Actually, the latter name would make a nice double entendre viz Alex George and Georgiana Molloy. Hesperian 12:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

True - Alex generally avoids naming plants after people, though. I was going to ask all the notables for their views on the paper in my next BSG newsletter....cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 12:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wagin Area

10 ks south of the town I saw an area about 2 acres of bush dominated by two species of Banksia, on is just starting to flower looks like B.prionotes(got photos) the other(also photo, no flowers) I dont know but doesnt appear to fit wagin banksia description. Sillyme forgot to check out where to find it, was only thinking in terms of what to find in the strilings forgot about the 4 hour drive in between. Gnan garra 12:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm interesting......let's see the other bush.....post a link when uploaded.cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 12:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

image 02

This one looks like a big ol' prionotes tree, buit I am still not great on WA id.cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs

Thanks I've gone back and looked at the other images from the area, seems that the younger trees have started to flower but these old fellows dont even have any infloresence forming. is this normal or would it be due to the weather Gnan garra 13:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I reckon the weather could play a part, not realy sure. The oldies could be on their way out too. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 13:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relevant discussions

If your ears are burning, it might be because of these discussions. Hesperian 05:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahaaa. There could be alot of banners on some.......cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 06:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can you guys please review my handling of the Mast and Thiele developments?

Banksia brownii, Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia and Banksia integrifolia once more have my blessing as FA worthy; and Banksia telmatiaea as A-Class again. You guys might like to review the way I've handled the Mast & Thiele developments in the taxonomy sections, and make sure it is satisfactory to you. (Don't mind the redlinks in the references - these journals and books are all notable enough and I will create articles on them over the next little while) Banksia epica is next. Hesperian 13:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

They look fine. Great work in keeping the articles up to standard. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 13:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

reads well, Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia looks almost ready for an FA shot as well. Gnan garra 14:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd second that. If you read through I think you'd find it satisfies all criteria. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 14:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA

I been watching the developements of various article thinking maybe 2 are near ready for FA Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia and Banksia telmatiaea (lead needs to be expanded). Should we also consider taking some of the B class arts to WP:GA Gnan garra 08:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

B. telmatiaea is about as close as possible with regards information - I honestly believe I've scratched up every tiny piece of data on that damn plant. But I think it would fail on "brilliant prose" at the moment. I've got a printout of the article and every now and then I cast an eye over it to see if I can see any way to polish it further. The other issue with B. t. is those vexing pictures. It is supposed to be an upright shrub with ugly rust-brown flowers, not a sprawling ground-cover with pretty pink and yellow flowers. If you showed me those pictures and asked me to identify the species, I would probably guess B. lanata. I realise that one of the pictures shows a sign that clearly reads telmatiaea... but I just can't shake the feeling that something ain't right. If we took it through FA and then discovered our pictures were wrong, Wikipedia would be a laughing stock. Perhaps Cas can ease my mind by providing a positive ID. If I had a camera I'd go hunting for pics in its native habitat e.g. Yule Brook in Beckenham.

Taxonomy of B. i. seems like a strange article to take to FA, but it is up to scratch, and it is certainly getting close, I suppose there's no reason not to take it there. It might be the first example of a FA-Class article with an FA-Class daughter article! Hesperian 13:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Aah no, that would be Saffron and History of saffron - so we can feel miffed that someone has done it already or relieved that the precendent has been set. I'll muse on both as I've not done much with either so can qualify as 'fresh pair of eyes' cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 13:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

about the images this [1] indicates that KP appears to have the wrong labels on this species. Gnan garra 13:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Banksia telmatiaea is ready for FAC. Shall we? Hesperian 11:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Go for it Gnan garra 12:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC).

[edit] WP:TOL template

I'm working on a proposal to subsume all the WP:TOL project banners into a single one. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Template union proposal and its talk page. Circeus 19:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions (flora)

Discussions regarding the above are currently taking place at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (flora)#Proposed additions to convention --Melburnian 02:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Long time no speak

I see nobodies been talk since July. Gnan garra 15:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Nuthin' much to say. No talk doesn't mean no activity. I think nothing has been done on Banksia for the last two weeks, but before that I was going crazy on the infrageneric taxon articles.[2] Hesperian 22:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know but theres a bot(thinks) that tags projects inactive if there no talk page activity for more than 6 months Gnan garra 00:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What, even if the log shows articles being promoted? How very unhelpful. Hesperian 00:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EL and ref links

Just thought I'd play with a tool I just found and check some of the Banksia articles

Banksia brownii -- 1 problem link [3],1 moved link
Banksia telmatiaea -- 1 moved link [4]
Banksia integrifolia -- 1 dead link [5]
Banksia epica -- all ok
Banksia ericifolia -- all ok
Banksia spinulosa -- ok 1 moved link [6]
Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia -- [7] one moved

I just did the articles in FA & A class categories, Gnan garra 05:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] g'day banksians!

I call this a bottle brush, but it's probably got a more official name!

I thought I'd drop by here, because I took this photo the other day, and was quite pleased with how it turned out - and I think it might be appropriate to this project? - Apologies if it isn't in fact related at all! - but obviously feel free to use the photo in any way you'd like at all! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It is a Banksia ericifolia (Heath-leaved Banksia). Hesperian 05:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I see the article is already fantastically well illustrated! - there are more wannabe david baileys out there than I thought! ps. you do still owe me your boots, hesperian ;-) - Privatemusings (talk) 06:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh? Anyway, I am glad you like the Banksia ericifolia article. Been doing alot of plants...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[8] Hesperian 07:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)