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[edit] Collaboration

Dear members, it has been almost a year since we formed this project. In recent days, many young Bangladeshi Wikipedians have joined us and showed their interest to work on different university articles. Some of them have already started working on the articles according to their interest. So, I think it's a perfect period for us to start a collaboration among us so that we can help each other in our wiki-editing.

I would like to request all of you to come and join this discussion, specially young wikipedians, to express your opinion and also to tell us on which articles you are currently working and what are the difficulties you are facing. We have some of the Wikipedia GURUs in our project (Ragib Bhaia, Arman Bhaia and junior but still I believe Guru, Nahid) who are always ready to help you by providing supports and guidelines. They are all extremely friendly and feel free to knock them whenever you want. And, last but not the least, if you feel like asking me any questions (though I don't consider myself as a GURU), you are always welcome! Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 13:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The most important articles for collaboration could readily be the articles on Universities in Bangladesh and List of universities in Bangladesh. There could be a collaboration to rehash the tertiary education part in the article on Education in Bangladesh. And, of course, Dhaka University, the article on the oldest and largest university in Bangladesh can always be considered. Cheers. Aditya(talk • contribs) 14:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for initiating this discussion. I think the standard format for Bangladeshi Universities is already set that is obviously Rajshahi University, which is a FA. Now it is time to expand the other universities. I've started seven university articles and modified two university articles in great dealt. But all of them are stub class. I urged to senior wikipedians (GURUs) to please give some references other than which are already given in the articles. Then we can expand these articles easily. And these cases if we faces any problems then we can easily get help from our senior Wikipedians. The second thing is if they add some suggestions in every article talk page then it may be helpful. Thank you and specially thanks to Niaz bhaia for initiating this discussions. Tanvir che (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
First of all I would like to thank Aditya Bhaia and Tanvir for their quick response.
  1. I strongly believe Rajshahi University is the best article in our showcase but it is really hard to consider it as a Standard! It is because, RU, DU, BUET and other longest standing universities in Bangladesh are so rich in their history, art, architecture and alumni that young and newly established universities (both private and public) are in noway comparable with the same standard. We can consider RU as a standard to prepare DU, BUET, CU and other old public university articles but in case of new public and all private universities it will not work. For an example, even NSU, the oldest private university in Bangladesh, has not shifted in their own campus yet. So, discussion about Art and Architecture is absolutely pointless for private universities. Similarly, universities with 10-15 years old alumni groups are really too young to produce famous alumni. Thus, I think we should lower the bar for those universities in preparing their articles.
  2. Finding reference is another important issue, specially third party references. I think we can make this task easier by collecting references together. Such as, some-editor may be actively working in DU article but he'll collect references for BUET if he comes across such material in his day-to-day real life. He may add it at an appropriate place or request active editors of that article to add it where it is applicable.
  3. I strongly prefer group discussion among us so that we can find our faults. And we have to be tolerant and should listen to others' comments exclusive of seniority/juniority.
  4. We have almost finished List of universities in Bangladesh and I believe it is going to be another featured item for the mother/daughter projects. We have to put finishing touch on it now. Dhaka University article needs immediate concentration as it seems that no one is interested to work on it!
Finally, since Aditya Bhaia haven't joined this project so far, I didn't mention his name, but I personally believe he is one of the GURUs from Bangladesh and one of the most active editors in Bangladeshi university related articles. In fact, Nahid and Aditya Bhaia forms the most experienced pair for these articles. Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 16:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Bhaia for your suggestions. However, another important thing, Is the articles like Faculty of Arts, University of Dhaka, which I've started, is verifiable to this project? I strongly believe, for old universities e.g. University of Dhaka , these faculty articles should be created and should not merged with the universities main article.Tanvir che (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Age is not the matter. If the article is long (40 KB+) then the faculty article should be split into logically separate articles (e.g. University of Florida). Otherwise they might be merged to the main article. --NAHID 19:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Niaz bhaia, after getting your mail from BD wiki Yahoo group I have added 15/12 URL and Foundation Date in List of universities in Bangladesh. But I faced some problems there: Foundation date NOT FOUND list: 1. Jessore University of Science and Technology (does this university exists/started functioning?) 2. America Bangladesh University (exists now?) Website NOT FOUND list: (they have no website) 1. Patuakhali Science and Technology University 2. Comilla University 3. Jatiya Kabi Kazi Nazrul Islam University 4. Jesore University of Science and Technology (no wiki page) 5. Sylhet Agricultural University 6. America Bangladesh University 7. Central Women's University (is it exists now?) 8. Darul Ihsan University 9. Millennium University 10. University of South Asia, Bangladesh 11. Viqarunnisa University (exists?) What would be the actual foundation date of Jagannath University? Not clear. Is 2005 is ok? --Farsad (talk) 18:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Sooner or later they'll open their official website.--NAHID 19:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Starting from the bottom!
  1. Thanks Farsad. It seems that you have taken WP very seriously. Keep this spirit up. As Nahid mentioned, don't worry about the universities who don't have their website right now. Sooner or later they will publish. But, about few universities such as America Bangladesh University, it is really hard to check their status. Even I read on newspaper that Government officially closed their activity but still they are operating! For the time being, just keep those institutions as it is. We'll check them later.
  2. Foundation day of Jagannath University is slightly tricky. It was a famous and old college but it was granted its university status few years back. Common practice is to count foundation from the day it receives university status. But, there are many controversial issues exist where foundation day is counted since when institution was founded. For an example you may have a look at University College London which was founded on 1826 but received its university status in 1836 which was taken away again in 1907 and returned in the form of Recognized body in 1978 and given own degree awarding power in 2006 and is now waiting for the separation from the University of London federation. Imperial College London is another example who never had degree awarding power until few years back, who never remained autonomous before 1978 but its foundation day is counted since 1907 when it was actually established. King's College London founded in 1829 is the 3rd university in England who received Royal Charter (university status) after University of Oxford and University of Cambridge but they don't consider themselves as third oldest and officially claimed 4th oldest reputation leaving 3rd oldest claim for University College London. Durham University was founded in 1832 but received its university status in 1837, though they claimed to be the 3rd oldest in England. There were long debate on those issues and finally an article was created on this topic! You may have a look here - Third oldest university in England debate. In addition, have a look at this talk page where you'll get to see many such debates, where I am personally involved on several occasions - Talk:King's College London. So, I prefer counting foundation day since when it started operating.
  3. Tanvir, you have already received your answer from Nahid. Let me just explain it further. WP encourages breaking long articles into parts. But, it should be done when that article reaches up to a certain size. Thus, initially we prefer to concentrate in the main article and then we will go for segmentations. King's College London is an article where I have been working for the last two years. It was a very messy article when I started working here but now it became a nice and well written article which I am going to place for GA review very soon. You may have a look at this article. At the bottom, we have placed a template where its segments are organized. In addition, they are also mentioned in the main body as main article.
I am sure, if we work together in this way, that day wont be very far when we'll have many FAs in our showcase. Cheers! -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 20:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Great to see that a collaboration has began to develop List of universities in Bangladesh, much of it visible on the FAC discussion. But, it still lacks participation from members of this project. Most importantly, This university and this university seems to be missing from the list. Is it possible to create article stubs for them, and put them where they belong in the list? Without them the list have little chance of passing through. Niaz and I have done some work already, but more hands will definitely be appreciated. If this one gets through, the project will proudly have its first Featured Content here. Aditya(talk • contribs) 15:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rajshahi University

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[edit] About this WikiProject

This WikiProject has made some significant achievements by creating start class articles on almost every university of Bangladesh and getting one FL. However, the scope of this WikiProject always seemed too narrow to me. I also don't see much organized WikiProject-like activity (e.g. peer review, assessment, collaboration etc.) for this project. These activities could be managed much more efficiently if it were a workgroup under WikiProject Bangladesh, like History of Bangladesh workgroup or Geography of Bangladesh workgroup. Thus we could also consolidate the banners on article talk pages and synergize the strong assessment process that is already in place for the mother project. So I propose the followings:

  1. Let's formally make this a workgroup under WikiProject Bangladesh.
  2. Instead of just universities, let's name the workgroup: Education in Bangladesh workgroup.
  3. Let's widen the scope of the project / workgroup to include the followings:
    1. All educational institutions in Bangladesh (including schools, colleges and of course universities).
    2. Education system of Bangladesh (Major examinations, education boards, degrees offered etc.)
    3. Notable educators, academics and scholars from Bangladesh.
    4. Extracurricular activities in Bangladesh - scouting, BNCC, debating, computer programming, mathmetics competitions, painting competitions, recitation competitions, clubs etc.

Please let me know your comments. Arman (Talk) 03:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)