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[edit] Project scope

Sorry to be a biographies of living person pedant, but someone being listed as being part of wikiproject Australian crime shouldn't be taken as implying that the person is a criminal, right? Andjam 03:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. The Beaumont children disappearance is an example of what you refer to. -- Longhair\talk 11:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions concerning ethnic organized crime articles

A recent discussion regarding to delete/rename Category:Gangs by ethnicity and its related ethnic and historically related street gang categorires which I assume will effect naming conventions of general crime related categories to eliminate ethnicity.

Similarly, a related discussion on changing Jewish-American organized crime to a "less offensive and accusatory" title will also effect article naming conventions for similar organized crime related articles such as Talk:African-American organized crime and Talk:Greek-American organized crime and I assume those related to Australian articles as well.

Also, there has been some discussion regarding the possibly a "collaberation of the week" project between WP:CRIME, WP:BRITCRIME and the various crime related WikiProjects. I was wondering if this would be of interest to WikiProject Australian crime ? MadMax 23:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Crime newsletter

Several members have been discussing an idea for a Wikipedia crime related newsletter written as a collaberation of the various crime related WikiProjects and I was wondering weither this might interest WikiProject Australian crime ? MadMax 06:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cats

Have discovered old categories that I had tagged earlier this year with NA and no crime project included - have tried to do a partial cleanup with the recently cleaned up class=cat and the crime=yes - please if anyone hasnt turned the light out yet and closed the door - if you do find categories with class=NA it would be appreciated if you did the class=cat and added the crime - there are some that live in the law/crime mix - but it helps cleaning up things - if you see a red discussion tag on the top of a crime article - please tag it. thanks cheers, yours in crime SatuSuro 04:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Volunteering to Help Make the section better

Hi Guys,

I'd like to add my name to participate in improving the Aussie crimes section. I am a true crime author based in Australia. I have 4 books currently published and 2 more on their way.

If I am correct, I am not allowed to just add my name on the front page as it's considered spamming? I'm still new to this whole Wiki scene.

Cheers

Amandahoward 09:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Linkspamming refers to adding external links to existing articles, whereas signing up here to help out with the project on crime is encouraged...Welcome aboard... -- Longhair\talk 11:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate article

I would like to delete Australian High Tech Crime Centre because there is a more detailed version under Australian Hi-Tech Crime Centre. I am a member of WP:Australia but not WP:Australian crime. How do I do this? Kathleen.wright5 00:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] propose that Template:Australian crime should substitute for Template:Australian criminals

Further to comments raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australia and discussion at Template talk:Australian criminals I propose that Template:Australian crime should substitute for Template:Australian criminals. No image - thus much more neutral and I think appropriate for convicted criminals.--Matilda talk 23:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree, more neutral through not having the photo, placement at bottom rather than top right hand side and less-branding title name. Also more in line with WP:Undue in cases where an individual was notable for reasons aside from their criminal conviction. Melburnian (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Of late I've been replacing the {{Australian criminals}} template with {{Infobox Criminal}}. Although I was the initial creator of the afore mentioned template, I'm happy to see it go. -- Longhair\talk 00:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I kind of liked the old template, as it was what drew me in to write some crime articles myself, which I wouldn't have done otherise. Wasn't that one of the purposes of the original infobox? What if there was a new image or icon for the new template? Something else that symbolises crime. A judge's hammer, or scales of justice, maybe? What's not neutral about the original image of steel bars? The new template would look better if the 'People' section was at the top, then it would keep all the location related headings grouped together at the bottom. Lester 00:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  • the template is currently transcluded in 28 articles. I prefer the crime template for the reasons given by Melburnian. More than happy to have Infobox Criminal - I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.--Matilda talk 00:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
What would be the criteria for usage of either? I guess if they are convicted criminals they get a template or infobox. If they are not convicted, they get nothing. How about criminals who were imprisoned for their crimes get the criminal infobox with the picture, and those who were not imprisoned get the lower-page template? Any ideas? Also, the category 'Rapists' should be changed to 'Sex Offenders', to include the whole gamut. For example, Milton Orkopoulos gets sentenced today (Wednesday 21 May), for sex offences, but he goes to the child offences category. Lester 00:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Somebody who has not been convicted of a crime cannot be referred to as a criminal. No conviction = no criminal infobox. -- Longhair\talk 00:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
A serious problem I see with the {{Australian criminals}} template is its open to abuse; being slapped on articles where the offender received a 2 year sentence or thereabouts (see Bridget Mary Nolan and Karen Louise Ellis for some examples), implying to the reader that the person in question possibly led a major life of crime. The template's creation came long before WP:BLP. {{Infobox Criminal}} provides much more detail at a glance, and categories can effectively group the articles together in the way this template has been doing. -- Longhair\talk 00:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)