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[edit] Merging the lists

I would like to work on merging the lists into either one or two articles. I would like to lean towards one, but we can split into a major and minor if we reach that point. We're going to have to shave off minor characters, condense the sort of minor ones (Ginyu Force into two paragraphs, Android 19 summed up in Gero, ect), and make sure to keep a standard for the major and secondary characters. Thoughts? TTN (talk) 02:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no problems with this; the lesser the lists, the better. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I don’t see a merger to be beneficial at this point. The one or two condensed lists would be incredibly difficult to read with the amount of characters that are already in our four character lists. Organization is another thing we have to take into consideration. With each class of characters (Humans, Saiyans, etc.) having their own list articles, a better form of organization is achieved than having all characters and all list being cluttered up into one article. What we should be focusing on right now is the ridiculous amount of lists on other subjects such as games and episode lists. That merger I would support. -- bulletproof 3:16 02:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree with bullet on the subject ('sup!). Also - even barring the shaving that's been done, such a list would be far too unwieldy to maintain and impossible to ever truly get a handle on, as it's difficult enough to put the kibosh on cruft that's being added to the individuals now. Papacha (talk) 04:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
As I said, we can move on to two lists if necessary, so size shouldn't be an issue. As for cruft, once the lists are actually cleaned and pruned, I'll probably go over them fairly often. TTN (talk) 13:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
As Papacha pointed out ('sup!) a list like that would be difficult to maintain. However, I'm curious to see how you might be able to make it work. Why don’t you make a sub page and see what kind of list you can come up with? -- bulletproof 3:16 00:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
The different Lists were created to avoid the existence of lots of stub-ish articles about minor and non notable characters. A lists of the lists would be extremely long. It is better to have these separated, more especific topics. Keep them all. --Lord Opeth (talk) 02:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with keeping them as it is. I usually dont support mergers unless they are absolutely needed, and in the present state, I think the individual lists are pretty cluttered. So merging them into one or two lists would only increase the problems. The character lists are fine to me (but a little cleanup would do wonders) and the things that need more focus are game articles and those minor ones which we usually tend to ignore. UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 09:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I am Uchiha. I just started around, and I noticed the deal of these lists. On my part, I believe these listing of the important characters is short. Not enough single pages for the important characters, espically the human characters, some villians should have one page. I think the characters (including Saiyans, Nameks, Humans, Aliens, Deites, etc) should be listed among the seasons, that way the characters have can have a better look. Like the Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and Cui together and all other villians I didn't mention in the Namek Saga and Ginyu Saga togehter on 1 page. Get it? I believe this is the best way ti get it all down. Uchiha2452 (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)Uchiha2452Uchiha2452 (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
We could have two lists:
  1. List of major Dragon Ball characters
  2. List of minor Dragon Ball characters
I've seen most pages do that, like the Naruto, Bleach, and YuYu Hakusho ones. I also like the way List of Love Hina characters sets it up. Thoughts anyone? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Also guys, let's try to only list those who made at least two or three appearances in the series franchise (ie, don't list the farmer killed by Raditz, or anime-only characters or one-time manga characters). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
As I said, two lists can work. The more compact and concise, the better. Though, if it'll be OK with you guys, I would like to aim for one list and split off if necessary instead of going strait to two lists. It'll help focus them better than just throwing them into two categories. TTN (talk) 14:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sold, but by all means give it a shot. Papacha (talk) 15:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, if it doesn't work out, we can always go back to square one. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I insist that you do this in a sub page first. -- bulletproof 3:16 22:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what your point is, bulletproof. A sub page is even more time consuming, this action should be done ASAP. It's rather difficult to keep track of four lists, which is why I just watch the List of Saiyans in Dragon Ball page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
A sub page would give each of us a preview of what TTN intends on doing with the page without disrupting the articles in question. In a case like this where it is obvious that no solid consensus has been reached, a sub page preview should be the way to go. -- bulletproof 3:16 02:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Lets see a demo in the Sub page first and if it works, we can make it permanent. I actually use this technique to make major edits to pages. UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 12:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, here is something that I threw together real quick. It shows the basic structure that I'm looking at. Neither the placement, size of the entries, or "roster" are final at this point. It's all up for changes at any time. Thoughts? TTN (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Great! Now all we need is merge the content from the lists onto there. 3bulletproof, you're convinced by now I hope? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. Let's not go about patting each others' backs just yet. I've still got an inkling that even with the pruning of unnecessary characters and whatever clipping the future holds this page will be _GROTESQUELY_ large. And the amount of snips to bring it to a reasonable quota might be far from your ideal, Sess; Dragonball - even abridged - constitutes a heckuva lot more characters than most series. As you say, let's move as many characters as we can onto the page, see exactly *how* large in scope we're talkin', and move from there. Papacha (talk) 01:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that I have gotten the most important characters, and each section will not be much larger than the filler text I have added. If you think characters are missing, it's probably just because they're the ones that are being summed up instead of being given sections. Though, feel free to list ones that you think should be included. TTN (talk) 01:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
What concerns me is that we might wind up with a resurgence of something like this. I really don't want a throw-back to the eye-sore from back in the day, give or take some aesthetics. The reason we have multiple lists in the first place is because when this was originally tried the result ran so pell-mell as to collapse on itself. Papacha (talk) 01:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
All we have to do is make sure that anon edits are reverted daily, so that doesn't build up. I usually prune the lists I've worked on at least once a week, so with at least five users, it should be quite easy. TTN (talk) 01:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I still don't know. As Papacha said, the sub page already looks immensely large and it doesn't even have the actual content that will be used. What I don't want is a random list of characters. What we need is organization, with sections like "Saiyans", "Humans", etc separating content.-- bulletproof 3:16 02:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I added the majority that aren't going to be combined into a later write-up. 'Tis far from small, or organized at the moment. @_@ Papacha (talk) 02:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) - The only way we'll ever get a list to pass for WP:GA or WP:FA is if we combine it into one organized list. Perhaps we should create a list of major and minor characters to prevent possible overloading and see how it turns out. What we should NOT do, however, is have four lists. It's quite ridiculous, IMHO, and it is too many pages to watch. I say, we try out TTN's experiment (or mine?) and see the outcome. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry but saying, "The only way we'll ever get a list to pass for WP:GA or WP:FA is if we combine it into one organized list" just isn't a valid argument. Keeping track of four pages is not an impossible task either. Stuffing all these lists into one gigantic list (or two) would be not only incredibly difficult to read but way too complicated to get to. -- bulletproof 3:16 03:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
When i first started reading the proposal here I wanted to keep what we already have but after looking at TTN's sandbox I think it looks pretty good. I like what we got now but this seems good too. Let's just keep in mind the main point here: to inform people looking for the information the in the easiest way.--Funkamatic (talk) 03:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure it looks better now? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I am still against these merges. The list are already organized, a large list like that would never gain GA or FA status. --Lord Opeth (talk) 00:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Um, bulletproof16, Papacha, you guys okay with the new list for now? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Still looks like a mashed up version of the lists we have now.-- bulletproof 3:16 04:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid to ask, what's it going to take? I can settle for two separate lists if that's the case. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 08:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It's going to be trimmed and formatted after this is accepted, so it should look better. In regards to the formatting, it's based off of List of Metal Gear Solid characters, which is the best non-article one that we have available. To organize by origin would be rather messy. If we end up needing two lists, I would rather get one done first, and then split it, so that it is definite that the list is necessary. TTN (talk) 23:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Metal Gear and its sequel have *FIVE* character pages, six if you tally in the by-game list: Classic, MGS, MGS2, MGS3, and Portable Ops. It's a perplexing example to emulate, as their editors utilize hubs as we do, just by game instead of "race", so to speak. There's grounds to argue if the characters weren't sieved by particular game that the original NEVER would have achieved featured list status. For my part I tend to doubt it, and Dragon Ball is a broader beast by far. Even following their lead, we'd need to lean more to racking the characters up by their appearances in Dragon Ball, DBZ and film. What we're doing now is or will end up more approximate to what the Naruto pages are doing: 1/2/3/4. Papacha (talk) 06:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I never realized that only one game was covered in that. The organization used still is a valid example, though. Anyways, it will be fine to split into major and minor characters if it's truly necessary, but we should not go into this with the mindset of splitting. Also, I'm hoping to be able to turn this into something like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and Characters of Kingdom Hearts, so it will be fine if it's a bit longer than the expected forty or fifty KB.TTN (talk) 20:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Again, I don't mind if you guys want to make a go at this, but to evaluate anything you've got serious ground to cover. Until the test page is brought to whatever standard we're just going to be talking in circles about "what" we're attempting to do. Papacha (talk) 21:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry fellas but no consensus, no merge. Now if THIS is an attempt to bypass a consensus, believe me, there is more than enough evidence to link this fairly new account to either Sesshomaru or TTN as a meat/sock puppet. -- bulletproof 3:16 05:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Now I'm a bit pissed off. 3bulletproof16, you are in the wrong to even think that I or TTN are engaging in sockpuppetry. Some random user starts redirecting some Dragon Ball lists and you point the finger at us? You failed to assume good faith and provide any hardcore evidence. Really, open up a WP:RFCU if you're so certain but don't just say such things. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Please, I've seen your contributions long enough to realize that everything TTN says, you do. Take the recent string of redirect edit warring you've engaged in the last few weeks with him [1], specifically the little disputes you had with the episode lists. I'm not saying that it is your sock Sesshomaru, but it is highly suspicious that an account that hasn't taken any part of this discussion would redirect without reason. You say it isn't yours? Fine. However, until a consensus is reached, the articles stay where they are. -- bulletproof 3:16 06:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
"Please, I've seen your contributions long enough to realize that everything TTN says, you do." This is false, because I haven't agreed to the trimming he does to Bulbasaur, the Death Note merges, and other pages which I can't recall ATM. Why are you linking to my contributions? Inclusively, you called the user TTN's meatpuppet, again, without proof. Throwing around accusations will not demonstrate anything. For all we know, you could be the one managing the puppet and (for some reason) throwing the blame back at us. See how silly this is getting? Just back off, now, and show some of that "evidence" you claimed earlier. Oh, you guys might want to see List of Dragon Ball characters. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

When exactly did this discussion end? It certainly has a long pause, but there was no actual resolution to many points. TTN (talk) 17:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's over, what made you think that? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I was responding to BP "ending" it with no consensus. TTN (talk) 21:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
When did I ever say the discussion had ended? I was referring to the fact that we have currently not established a consensus. -- bulletproof 3:16 02:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Comment-People from what I see, it would be a cascading merge. Some character articles are already getting merged in the List of Earthlings. That would make this one HUGE list. I think it would be impossible to maintain, especially with the daily dose of anon CRUFT we are getting. UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 02:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Comment It'll be much easier to monitor one or two lists. Four's a little too much. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I check them all the time and I have a little over 700 pages on my watchlist.-- bulletproof 3:16 04:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Eh, that sounds exaggerated. It might not do a BIG difference, but if these pages are merged together, you'll be limited to watching only 1 (or 2) lists of Dragon Ball characters. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Nope, and I just checked... Its actually underexaggerated. I have exactly 1,064 pages currently on my watchlist. -- bulletproof 3:16 06:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
we also have to keep the page size and length into consideration. A lot of users dont have Broadband, (like me) and use dial up. One (or 2) lists would take forever to load on slow bandwidth connections. And it would be (at least for me) hard to keep contributing to the lists. Another case would be users from mobile devices, like smart phones or PDAs. We have to think about every scenario possible. UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 21:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
As long it it is succinct and to the point, the size is irrelevant. While it is sucky for those that have slower connections, that has no relevance here. Having less articles to watch is also irrelevant. The main point is that this series in no way requires the weight of four separate lists. One succinct and to the point list should be all that is necessary (though if we need to, we'll go to two). TTN (talk) 22:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so if we go with the proposed merger, where would you suggest that this list be split up? UzEE!! 00:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the question. Do you mean how it would be split if we went to two lists instead of one? It would be major and minor at that point. TTN (talk) 00:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Thats what I was asking. What would be the Major characters? Main characters only or Main+Secondary. I think the second one would still be an uneven division. UzEE!! 00:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

(Unindent) It would be major characters plus the "main secondary characters" for the first list, and "minor secondary characters" and minor characters for the second list. That would probably split the secondary characters down the middle. TTN (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm I guess it can work. We would have to sacrifice on performance big time though. UzEE!! 01:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
And because of that, it really isn't worth it. -- bulletproof 3:16 04:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Uh, how would we sacrafice on preformance? Are you still dwelling on the size issue? Again, it unfortunetly doesn't really matter (see some of our FAs). If you're talking about entry size and coverage, the characters will be given their appropriate weight and we'll cover the necessary characters. TTN (talk) 13:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyone still interested in going over this? TTN (talk) 01:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

No I was talking about the Page Size in RAW KBs. But I am willing to sacrifice that performance thing though.  UzEE  01:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Why not go with the merge and try it out for sometime? We keep the existing lists as Subs and restore them if we have problems with the new ones. That way we can always go back. Thoughts?  UzEE  01:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, go for it. Like I mentioned before, we can always go back to square one if these don't work out. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

A reminder due to an arbcom injunction no merges/unmerges can be performed till after arbcom. --Sin Harvest (talk) 11:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt say it also applies to merge.  UzEE  12:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I would assume by the fact your not allowed to redirect or delete means that you can't merge, since after merging content you would be required to redirect the page. I would at least ask an admin or arbtrator until proceding, you know what they say better safe then sorry. --Sin Harvest (talk) 01:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I guess we could check with Deskana or Caribbean HQ to get their opinion. As for doing the merge, I think TTN should make the articles in his sandbox and we replace them as soon as we get the Go ahead.  UzEE  14:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Are we still interested in this? Hardly all the members showed interest in this discussion. In the end the only one objecting was bulletproof, who has seemingly retired. So I think its enough to give the idea a try. Why don't you go ahead and merge them TTN?  UzEE  13:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I still think that is not a good idea. The separated lists are already long, and a single list listing all the lists would be annoying. Let's do not forget Article size. While it says that lists are "Occasional exceptions", we cannot say that having this really long list of lists is "unavoidable". Wiki suggests long pages should be divided into more "specific articles" and that Readability is still the key criterion. --Lord Opeth (talk) 05:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The arbcom injunction is long over. These list seriously need to be merged, with the individual lists given a much needed trimming. As it is now Lists of Dragon Ball characters is absolutely useless. Collectonian (talk) 00:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why Can't We Use English Names?

It would make things easier, and it seems to follow the wiki guidelines. Can Anyone give me a good reason! honestly... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazaan (talk • contribs) 04:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Read this, this and this. That should answer all of your concerns. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Also if you want a quick summary, try this.  UzEE  05:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Don't merge!

I see no point in merging the Dragon Ball character sections into one page. Imagine how long it would be. Isn't it better to keep things in seperate pages? Then again, if it is merged into a single page, you wouldn't have to keep going back and forth to other pages. I'm stuck on this one... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Vegetto (talk • contribs) 11:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree there should be separate pages because this one is about saiyans as a race not the list of characters. Deanostrodamus the Mystical (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Major cleanup

I realize I may be beating a dead horse here, but the Dragon Ball articles are really in a state of desperate cleanup. The dozen or so "saga" articles are plot summary and need to be done away with. The "Japanese" and "dubbed" episode lists need to be merged and split into seasons (see List of YuYu Hakusho episodes, that's three featured topics if all season articles and the actual are improved to featured list status, see Seasons of YuYu Hakusho for an example). The character articles are practically all in a state of disrepair, and the lone GA should have never passed WP:GAN because the majority of the sources fail WP:RS, aren't even properly presented using {{cite book}} or {{cite web}}, and the prose is rather poor. The four lists should be compressed into simply List of Dragon Ball characters and List of minor Dragon Ball characters (see List of Naruto characters and List of minor Naruto characters, former is currently trying for featured list status), and a great majority of the characters in these lists are utterly superfluous and should be cut out. I realize there may have been inertia here to such changes, but really, if someone AfD'd every article, I doubt a quarter would get past deletion or merging. There's a practical reality that these articles can be really improved upon, and a nice set of featured and good articles can be strewn out from the subject material. If you're disbelieving, then look at the Naruto articles, which have five featured lists, three good articles, and a featured topic (which I had a hand in creating, hence why I'm bringing these points here). Discuss. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 09:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome! Glad to have you here. Regarding the character lists, have you read the above discussion? Appears to be at a stalemate ATPIT. Some time ago, almost every character had their own page but here is the reason as to why this was changed. And as for the sagas, there have been quite a number of unfinished discussions (see archive #6). Finally, about the various episode lists, I left you a response here, which seems to have been unanswered. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion seems to be ignoring the point that 90% of these characters are utterly minor (listing all of the henchmen for every odd villain?) and should be cut. The only applicable form of opposition I see is WP:SIZE concerns and that isn't an issue after all the insignificant characters are cut. For the sagas, all I see is a load of discussions suggesting a merge to a "plot" page encompassing all of them, which just makes a big target that can be easily axed at AfD. All of them can go. I think the episode list change will be relatively uncontested. In any case, I'll wait for a bit more discussion here before doing anything. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 03:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm still pretty new here but I'll help clean up. Like (obviously) a lot of members here, I don't know much about all that technical stuff. Maybe I should do a little research. Also, I don't think that minor characters lists are that bad. Trust me, not even close to all the henchmen are listed. It's just that almost all the henchmen are characters in the Budokai Tenkaichi series and so they kind of become not so minor, aspects that Naruto and YuYu Hakusho don't have so it's kind of hard to compare them.--FUNKAMATIC (talk) 00:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Budokai Tenkaichi includes a ton of characters simply because they can include a ton of characters. It doesn't make any of those characters any more important. They have practically no importance to the plot other than being filler that are killed by any of the protagonists; ergo, they don't need to be included. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 01:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean to say I thought their being listed is justified, just that others here might (also perhaps the reason they think it). There is definitely an issue with the reliable sources. I'm all for getting things cleaned up around here.--FUNKAMATIC (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Sephiroth BCR; any minour character from the series should not be listed, though I could go for them being mentioned in a single section, but not listed individually. I tried cutting some minour characters before, but it was reverted. Go figure. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The task more important than cleanup is keeping daily cruft out of the articles. As long as there is someone vandalizing his way around, cleanup wont do any good. We need to come up with better anti-cruft policies rather than relying on the default policies.  UzEE  11:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
May or May not be true,  UzEE , but that doesn't change the issue that Sephiroth BCR is bringing up. let's do 'em both.--FUNKAMATIC (talk) 05:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
...there doesn't really need to be discussion here concerning the addition of WP:OR/excessive detail/etc. because you simply revert it. That and after all this is cleaned up and merged, you have a lot less to watch. It's no different from maintaining any other set of articles, and I'm confused as to why you're making a big deal out of it. No matter what "anti-cruft policies" you implement, you aren't going to deter people from vandalizing, and it's something we simply have to live with. Anyhow, I'll probably tackle the episode lists first sometime during the weekend. Anyone here aware of how the seasons are split up (I'll probably do the DBZ episodes first)? Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 07:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The season splits have kind of moved around over the years. They are generally called "sagas" and the official websites (Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT) have lists for all three series. I could give you a hand, I may have some free time this weekend.--FUNKAMATIC (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Count me in then! If you guys want to nail the saga pages, here they are. There is another issue though: which saga titles are we going to use? I'd go for the FUNimation titles, since they're official English names. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
FUNimation titles. The layout would be the same at List of YuYu Hakusho episodes, with split episode lists for all the seasons (or sagas); therefore, there would be List of Dragon Ball Z episodes (season x) for however many seasons we had. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 18:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
So are you going to make a page for every saga/season? I like how the List of YuYu Hakusho episodes covers both the English and Japanese episodes, essentially merging this and this. Seems functional and better observes the scope of Wikipedia and the Dragon Ball work group.--FUNKAMATIC (talk) 19:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Sephiroth, it would be great if you could revise those pages and turn them into featured articles. It's part of the plan, is it not? Oh and if you'd like, I can list every single title FUNi used, for consistency. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I hope we can get this done, as there are still editors adding sections for minour characters who had a role in a small part of the series[2]. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I still question the existence of these three items

Is there any point in having User:Supersaiyanplough/Template:DB char, Dragonbox, and Portal:Dragon Ball? Does someone see an advantage in any of these or should they be deleted? For instance, no one is contributing much to the incomplete portal I set up, not even I. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

As far as having User:Supersaiyanplough/Template:DB char and Dragonbox is concerned, I think that they should be removed. The template isn't even used anywhere, and we can do without the Dragonbox article, or merge it in the Dragon Ball (Franchise) article. For the portal, I leave the decision to you guys because I think that we could use that if we show a bit more interest in it.  UzEE  11:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genre discussion

There is a genre discussion back here concerning Dragon Ball. If possible, let's be done with this ASAP. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive Users

Could we be a little more specific on what constitutes as "haven't edited in a while"? I'm not trying to critisize, just saying that some sort of a measurable time frame (2 weeks, a month, etc.) would be more organized. And do you guys think we should specify wether they are inactive from the project or Wikipedia all together? Nothing huge, just a little note by the name for clarification.--KojiDude (Contributions) 04:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say inactivity from the Dragon Ball-related pages for two or more months would constitute as "inactive". Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dragon Ball list

Yesterday, I created List of Dragon Ball chapters, but I dont have the Viz Media edition of the volumes, so Im unable to add the chapter list or a volume title, could anybody who has a volume give a hand? Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 22:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)