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Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Roads

I've been going through some of the Category:Roads in Adelaide articles and adding the Template:Infobox Australian Road as well as creating some stubs for the many missing road articles. The existing articles with infoboxes (e.g. Anzac Hwy) that I've seen have the "To" and "From" fields as suburbs. I've created a couple of articles with these fields as roads. (e.g. Tapleys Hill Rd) I'm curious what people think is the better approach.

If we use road names instead of suburbs, it makes it easier for streets/roads that are only in one suburb. GK1 22:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject South Australia?

There is currently new state projects in development. See WP:WA. Perhaps it would be beneficial to your state. Fred 16:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm open to it, either as a separate project or as a reformed WP:ADEL. However, the need is not pressing. --cj | talk 22:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Need is debatable, perhaps. Getting in now could save editors work in the near future, if not immediately. I was surprised at speed and development of other projects. They still maintain city projects and overlap is little on most articles. Do South Australian regions get enough attention through the city project? A fellow editor with fond memories of your state. Fred 14:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Holy Trinity Church, Adelaide put up for deletion {{db|Non-notable}}

I removed the template. The Holy Trinity Church, Adelaide article may need expansion but notability would be clear to people in Adelaide "first church built" Paul foord 12:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Psmikebabbie has also nominated Brougham Place Uniting Church, St. George Greek Orthodox Church, Adelaide, St Peter's Cathedral, Adelaide, Port Adelaide Uniting Church Paul foord 12:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

None of these met the criteria for speedy deletion and were dismissed by the reviewing admin. The prod on Holy Trinity is disputed, so if Psmikebabbie chooses to pursue its deletion further, he must do so at WP:AFD. However, as Paul has noted, the Holy Trinity clearly has an argument for notability, being Adelaide's first (built) church.--cj | talk 14:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Beaumont

Anyone live up that way? If you do, could you take some pictures of Beaumont House, as I'm writing an article for it and it would be great if it had at least one, preferably more, pics. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 10:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to Beneaththelandslide for some pics - the article is at Beaumont House. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 09:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Railway Station pages - not notable

I personally don't believe the majority of Adelaide rail stations are notable enough to have their own article. As a test case, I'm using the Gawler Line. I've collected almost all the information in the pages for Gawler line stations onto a table on Gawler railway line, Adelaide. Almost all of the pages for the individual stations contain no more data than this and have almost no prospect of ever doing so. They're mostly all template messages. In my opinion, the only pages with anything useful are North Adelaide railway station, Adelaide, Mawson Interchange, Adelaide and Salisbury Interchange, South Australia. Even in these pages, there's probably only a paragraph or two in each of text that doesn't belong on another page, or doesn't belong on WP at all (WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information). I'd like to, at least, nominate all of the station pages that are non-notable in AfD, and at best, to merge the content of those three into the page for the Gawler Line (or other pages as appropriate) and nominate the lot for deletion. Support? Oppose? Thoughts? --AtD 04:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There has been a long-standing consensus dating back years that all railway stations are notable, and every station on every major metro network in the world has a railway station article. If you wish to change this, you're going to need to get a consensus to do it at the policy level - any attempt to override this by stealth will be met with concerted opposition.

While the quality of many of the Adelaide pages isn't great, there is plenty of opportunity to expand them, as has been done with a good number of stations around the country, particularly in Melbourne and Sydney, which have more established and long-running networks of editors. Some really quite good articles have been created, and the information generally does exist to create a good article on pretty much any station with a bit of effort. Rebecca 07:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I should note that I created all those paltry stubs 12 months ago. These days, I don't bother with creating a skinny stub anymore unless it has something substantial ready to go, or unless it is on a very notable topic. Having said that, if you look up old history books at the local council or the STate Library, I'm sure you can find a unique paragrpah that is relevant. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with AtD that many of the "stations" with nothing more than a raised platform that trains stop near are barely notable. I also accept Rebecca's argument that the general case says that railway stations are notable. I wonder what we'd say if the same argument was presented for bus stops!? I'd also caution AtD that notability should not be purely judged on the current state of a wikipedia article. Smithfield railway station for example is now little more than the raised platforms, but was once the only station (with multiple buildings and sidings) between Salisbury and Gawler. The table also does not include the bus interchange info from the articles. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Scott for pointing out I missed out the bus connections in the Gawler Line. I was originally going to simply copy the data across, but I rethought (and then forgot). I don't think a list of routes that stop at Station X is encyclopaedic content, is subject to change and it's not useful unless you know the routes. What are your thoughts on how I should address this?

I do agree that just because the article is short, doesn't mean the station isn't notable - this is not something I indented to imply. At this time, however, if we were to adopt my second suggestion and just have a page for the line, much the information could be presented in that article. All of the articles for Adelaide's lines are stubs and lack much historical context.

However, I concede at this time that the effort required to change the convention Rebecca mentioned (is it a written policy?) is far too great in comparison to the inconvenience of many one-line articles at this time. I don't think stations like Parafield Gardens are worthy of their own article, but I think at this point our time is better spent in other parts of WP:ADEL. I'll still have expanding and collecting data to the pages for the six Adelaide lines on my to-do list. --AtD 14:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

On this line of thought (pun not intended!), I've nominated that Gawler railway line, Adelaide be moved to Gawler Central railway line, Adelaide, to follow Noarlunga Centre railway line, Adelaide, which used to be just Noarlunga railway line, Adelaide. Please vote or comment on the relevant talk page.--AtD 01:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Have to agree with Rebecca and Blnguyen that most of the stations can generate a worthwhile article .... if only the influence creating the station had on the growth of the surrounding area. On the Gawler line Islington has the rail works, train construction and (during WWI) ammunition manufacture. Dry creek was a shipping point for explosives stored at the nearby magazine (I'm guessing on this one). Some like greenfields and Parafield Gdns are never likely to be enthralling articles but they can at least be expanded beyond a stub - Peripitus (Talk) 03:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

A list of bus routes serving a station is fine on Wikipedia - all the Hong Kong, Brisbane, and some of the Sydney pages have them and their inclusion has been seen to be ok - it's just important information about the way that that particular station operates. And the point on bus stops compared to railway stations is nothing more than an interesting moot point - bus stops HAVE been recognised as not notable on WP, whereas railway stations have informally been recognised as notable. I got a couple of books out of a uni library and have turned Eastern Suburbs & Illawarra railway line, Sydney into a long article that could be FA Status in the near future (I'd love some comment on it by the way, it's under peer review!) - and I couldn't include the station information in there (of which I have quite a bit); it would have made the article far too long. If that's what I can do with one page and a couple of books, you can't tell me there isn't something in the State Library of SA that has something on the particular lines and their stations. The quality isn't great at present for Adelaide stuff, but can quickly be improved. JROBBO 02:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:Adelaide articles by quality

Why does this category exist? And all the sub categories? It seems totally unpopulated ...maelgwn talk 11:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Its an obsolete category of a former project notice which undertook assessments.--cj | talk 21:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Curious article

What to do about Port road pub crawl?--cj | talk 21:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

How about Merge into Port Road, Adelaide ...maelgwn talk 21:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Images listed for deletion

I listed some images relevant to your WikiProject for deletion. See Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion for more details and consider discussing the images there. —Iamunknown 05:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

South Australia portal

Hi all. I've set up a Portal:South Australia to showcase the fine work being done by local contributors. Check it out, if you'd like :)--cj | talk 05:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks cj. We've stagnated for a while. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Bravo, I like it! :P michael ^talk 09:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Adelaide article statistics

As part of development plans for WikiProject Australia, I'm testing out a subproject assessment statistics capability on {{WP Australia}}, using our project as the guinea pig. If all goes well, we should be the first Australian project to have specific statistics for articles within our scope. The new capability also allows us to rank Adelaide-related articles according to their importance within our scope. As an example: {{WP Australia|class=FA|importance=low|Adelaide=yes|Adelaide-importance=top}}. The only change to current assessment practices is the addition of this "Adelaide-importance=" parameter. Everything else is automatic. --cj | talk 11:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

And here we have it: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Adelaide articles by quality statistics.--cj | talk 12:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice work cyberjunkie. Odd thing though - the template notes only 4 FAs but there are 5 in the linked category..... a bot bug ? - Peripitus (Talk) 20:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

No. I added Don Dunstan to WP:ADEL after the bot did its run through. It should be updated when it does it scheduled daily run.--cj | talk 22:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this, Cyberjunkie. Daniel Bryant 05:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo to visit Adelaide late April

Jimbo in Adelaide, see http://indaily2new.nessus.e-studio.com.au/editions/archives/newsletter_20070305.htm#8976 as "key speaker at a series of seminars on the future of knowledge. The seminars, to be hosted by information and communications technology company education.au, will kick off in Adelaide on April 23" Paul foord 09:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Probably a good time for a Wikipedia:Meetup Alex Sims 11:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, yes. michael ^talk 11:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Another meetup would be good - the seminar he's keynote speaker at looks interesting...must see if I can hide this in the budget at work... - Peripitus (Talk) 11:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully there would be time somewhere in there for Jimbo to actually meet some South Australian Wikipedians. I don't think, given most of us are students, that we each have a spare $300 lying around to go to a one-day seminar. michael ^talk 11:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

As Mark Ryan said, "Why would we pay $300 just to hear Jimbo tell us what we already know in great depth about Wikipedia?"?--cj | talk 12:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I've been super bold and written to him asking him to attend a meetup. Alex Sims 11:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I think discussion on the Wikimedia Australia mailing list indicated that his schedule probably won't allow for that. But there's no harm in trying.--cj | talk 12:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Got a reply from Jimbo. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide. Alex Sims 06:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ouch. I guess Jimbo needs to catch his planes in the afternoon. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

300 bucks, blimey. Hope this place has windows ;) – Riana ^ঋ 11:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo in the advertiser.

If you have access - read page 4 of the "Review" section, The advertiser satuday april 7th. An entire page of a Samela Harris interview with Jimbo. I love the opening line...

From the vast, amorphous universe they call cyberspace, Jimmy Wales rises as a new superstar.

- Peripitus (Talk) 23:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Promoting the wiki way

Following the meetup, Janet has asked whether Adelaidean editors might be interested in helping promote wikis in the education sector. Her message is as follows:

Breakfast was interesting. I have written notes from the edu event and will type them up and blog them. Would be nice to do something where Adelaide's leaders in wp and wm are more visible as technology leaders/participants to the edu sector. Perhpas opportunities to show what you do in schools or at local community computing events? Do you think Adelaide wm folks would be interested in doing that kind of thing. Lucychili (talk • contribs) 23:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

If you are interested, please contact Janet directly at her talk page or feel free to discuss the proposal here. Regards,--cj | talk 10:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Station Infoboxes

I was considering making a station infobox for Adelaide's railway stations. I was considering something along the lines of the former Sydney infobox but with Adelaide Metro type colours. Obviously this can be drafted and changed, but I was wondering what sort of parameters would be needed. I would include the following, but coming from Sydney I'm not sure if there's anything particular to Transadelaide that would be needed in addition:

Suburb
Street
Distance from Adelaide Railway Station
No. of Platforms
No. of Tracks
Station layout (ie. island or side platforms)
Interchange available (bus, tram, intercity train, etc)
Type of station (ground or elevated)
A link to its facilities?

Is any of this not obtainable, or is there anything else I should add? Thanks for the help. JRG 09:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd support this. One thing I can think of is, with the Distance from Adelaide Railway Station, maybe have Stations from Adelaide Railway Station as well (ie. it could read: 42 stations (23 km) or the other way around). Daniel Bryant 06:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Why not got national with this? Would there be much different in each state to justify different ones? Looks good btw ...maelgwn talk 06:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The Sydney one is extremely large, so I wouldn't support a copy of that. I think Maelgwn makes a very good point about standardising this on a national basis (or perhaps, Wikipedia-wide basis). If the infobox was kept to the bare essentials (which is what a good infobox should do), I don't think there would be any problem in having a standard template (á la WP:IAP).--cj | talk 08:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The Sydney one is very Sydney-specific, and it was cut down considerably to a better version than the one I linked to above, by taking out the irrelevant things like station facilities that aren't really that encyclopedic. It is only long for stations served by every line like Central Station in Sydney, but on most pages it isn't too long (see Eastwood railway station, Sydney for example). The Brisbane one, I think, is far too long, but the Brisbane Wikipedians didn't like my suggestions to make it shorter (see how long it is at South_Bank_railway_station,_Brisbane). Every state appears to have adopted their own design and are quite consistent in sticking to what they have, so I doubt a national approach would work (as good as it would be). But I'm happy to take suggestions on how Adelaide's would work. JRG 02:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's something I did quickly - ignore the details for the moment (I know they're wrong), but tell me what could be improved or gotten rid of - I haven't taken on your suggestion yet Daniel. See User:JRG/Transadelaide_Station/Test. JRG 02:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd still prefer to see something along the lines of {{Infobox Australian Place}} and {{Infobox Australian Road}}. I've left notes at the talk pages of those templates requesting input.--cj | talk 15:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

If only we could see one that is not state/system dependent like start-Infobox Australian Place-end

</body></html> - despite what is said above! Satu Suro 15:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I've done a crude mock up of what it might look like here. Please note that I've not coded all details from JRG's template yet.--cj | talk 15:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to note Perth also has another template and format - Warwick railway station, Perth - note I am not promoting this one as I think it's overly long. Agree with cj broadly. Orderinchaos 15:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It can't be done (a national box) - there are far too many differences between the state systems - Sydney's and Adelaide's railway systems are very different, for example. I say we leave the state ones as they are and develop one specifically for Adelaide. Can I please have some comments on my suggestion? JRG 10:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that Adelaide railway stations, Sydney railway stations and Perth railway stations have more in common than South Australian local government areas, Queensland cities, Tasmanian towns and suburbs of Melbourne do with each other - and all of those four manage to use a single infobox with fantastic results! -- Chuq (talk) 14:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The railway station infoboxes are completely different for each capital city, also to add further, Brisbane's one is also uniform with the other mode's stations + ferry wharves through its public transport authority in SE Qld. It would take some time to make not only all rail infoboxes, but also bus + ferry infoboxes uniform to each other if such a project is to be done --Arnzy (talk • contribs) 12:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

But it can be done. It ought to be noted that Geoking66 (talk · contribs) has been adding the general {{Infobox Station}} to several Adelaide stations (vide Bowden). I like that it incorporates the station adjacencies, but I still would prefer a format (or aesthetic) along the lines of similar Australian templates.--cj | talk 03:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree - the box looks too American-style. Is anyone going to comment on my suggestions - everyone has just ignored them so far? JRG 12:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Politics and government

We seem to lack coverage of SA Government, I just did a stub for Arts SA. Paul foord 11:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

signage on site as reference

I am updating suburbs Kingston Park, Marino and possibly others. Some information has been gleaned from signage at the site (eg Kingston Historical House). Is this a reasonable reference to use?FionaBlinco 09:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Goode Lane, Fitzroy

I have recently put a page up for Goode Lane (mainly the history) and would appreciate advice on how to link this in to the Adelaide ProjectGoodie1 05:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Anglican Church of St Columba

Anglican Church of St Columba (via WP:PROD)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 11:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Schools in Adelaide has been emptied

Categories have been created for Private schools and Public schools in South Australia, at the same time as categorising articles into these User:Twenty Years has been removing the Category:Schools in Adelaide. Paul foord 06:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i have. It is going to be purged in a few days. Its basically bringing SA schools into line with all other school categorisations in Australia. If you have further issues with this, drop me a line at my talk. Twenty Years 13:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Twenty Years, you deleted the question on your talk page so I will address it here -- re your comment about consistency when are you planning to empty Category:Schools in Sydney & Category:Schools in Melbourne as well? Paul foord 13:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

This probably needs to be discussed at the WP Australia level and I have raised it there. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australia#Appropriate_categorisation_-_should_there_be_.27Category:Schools_in_city.27 -- Paul foord 13:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Details only show when editing

Banksia Park, City of Tea Tree Gully suburbs and Adelaide-geo-stub only show when editing. Kathleen.wright5 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 01:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

This has now been fixed. Kathleen.wright5 05:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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