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[edit] January 2006

[edit] {{prison-stub}}

Created december 30. Correctly formed and well-populated. Recommend keeping it. GeeJo (t) (c) • 18:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

as long as it's used to double-stub with the country/region-specific struct-stubs (like the bridge and stadium stubs do) rather than replace them, it sounds fine. Grutness...wha? 08:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Good, I was hoping someone would make this. Kappa 08:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
It is used on more than 300 articles now. Perhaps time to add it to WP:WSS/ST ? Valentinian (talk) 13:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd think so. This ones rings a bell fairly strongly, sure it wasn't proposed at some point? Alai 18:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{NorthAm-native-stub}} / Cat:Indigenous peoples of North America stubs

Created 3 days ago, used 52 articles. In some ways, a nice (temporary) solution to the problems with {{Canada-ethno-stub}}, etc. that were on the proposals page. "native" seems to perhaps not be the best for the template; I'm not sure what a better word would be tho. Also needs to be figured out where it goes in the stub hierarchy. --Mairi 22:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

hm. Well, since there are people clamouring for Mexican-American and African-American stubs (see WP:SFD), perhaps this is a way of doing it. But I agree about the name. Perhaps NorthAm-indigenous-stub? Grutness...wha? 23:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Western Sahara stub}}/ Cat:Western Sahara stubs

New wikiproject, new problem. very badly named stub never likley to get to 65 stubs. also taking to sfd. BL kiss the lizard 00:54, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Renamed via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 20:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Anti-Pope-stub}} / Cat:Anti-Pope stubs

Created January 2 (today), used in 16 articles at present. FreplySpang (talk) 06:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Given that there are 41 articles in Category:Antipopes and 10 in it's only subcategory (and I suspect those categories aren't going to gain too many articles), I doubt that this'll get enough use. --Mairi 06:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe that more articles hold it than the ten ones within the category, because it originally linked to Popes. I might be wrong though. Chooserr 07:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Even counting the recent (non- ...erm... canonical) Antipopes, there have only been 56 Antipopes in total according to Antipope - so if each of them had a stub article we still wouldn't reach threshold. What's more, they were Antipopes, not Anti-Popes, so the name is wrong. Calling it Anti-Pope stubs is likely to get articles like Ian Paisley (who is very anti-Pope) marked. This one isn't a goer. Grutness...wha? 08:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 20:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Korea-film-stub}} / Cat:Korean film stubs

Created on January 2, used in 50 articles. Should be a good enough addition, since the number of Korean film articles has grown so fast recently (there were just over 20 stub articles about Korean films a month ago) and because it gets rid of the need of having both a {{Korea-stub}} and {{film-stub}} on every article. Bobet 14:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Compu-prog-stub}} / Cat:Computer programming stubs

Created on January 2, used in 1 article. --cesarb 23:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Added to stub list as used on over 60 stubs and follows perm-cats. Caerwine Caerwhine 03:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Florida-bio-stub}} / Cat:Florida people stubs

{{Florida-bio-stub}} was re-created on January 1st. (It was deleted on SFD once.) Conscious 07:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

If it weren't used on 50 articles, I'd speedy it as a recreation. It ought to go thru SFD again, or be speedied if others think that's a good idea. --Mairi 07:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{NovaScotia-stub}} / Cat:Nova Scotia stubs

Created yesterday, used once. No clue if it'd be viable. --Mairi 04:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Over 60 stubs, so I added it to the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Florida-sports-stub}} / Cat:Florida sports stubs

Another location sports stub. Used on 55 articles, so it's atleast viable. The template atleast ought to be singular. --Mairi 04:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

well, it would be viable - except that sports are being split by type of sport, not location. In which case, this one is hardly useful. Grutness...wha? 04:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
These new Florida stubs seem to have been created by Wikipedia:WikiProject Florida participant(s), but I see no reason why all these articles can't just use {{Florida-stub}} (now underpopulated) to avoid the micro-categorization. HollyAm 23:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Deleted by SFD in July/August. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Christian-music-stub}} / Cat:Christian music stubs

(Originally created at {{Christian-music-stubs}}) Used on 15 articles. Better formatted than the above {{Christianmusic-stub}}. Probably worth keeping... --Mairi 22:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Over 60 stubs, so I added it to the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{NI-footybio-stub}} / Cat:Northern Ireland football biography stubs

Created today, used on 14 articles. Sam Vimes 21:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Already on stub list as {{NI-footy-bio-stub}} / Cat:Northern Irish football biography stubs. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Tanzania-stub}} / Category:Tanzania stubs

Created today, unused. Looks well formatted. Might be useful. --Mairi 06:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep, medium-sized country. Kappa 07:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
  • It is currently used on more than 70 stubs. A definite keeper. Valentinian (talk) 23:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Aero-year-stub}} / Various categories

Parameterised template (which I vaguely recall us being agin, right?), being used to split Cat:Aircraft stubs into Cat:1990s aircraft stubs, etc, etc. A quite different scheme for splitting this category was suggested on the proposals page, with some at least qualified support, but never implemented, so we really ought to work out which way we plan on doing this. Alai 06:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Any opinions on this? Several of the categories are undersized; template is highly non-standard in coding and in use. Alai 03:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not in favour of parameterised stub templates - they leave the door open to too much simple abuse (unless we want things like Cat:1270s aircraft stubs), or ambiguity ((both Cat:1990s aircraft stubs and Cat:90s aircraft stubs?)). I'm also not sure that breaking this up by decade is nearly as useful as by other means (airliner stubs, biplane stubs, jet monoplane stubs, propellor-powered monoplane stubs, etc). It will only lead to some very small categories (which, it seems is exactly what has happened). Grutness...wha? 04:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Template "Aero-year-stub" and categories "1900s aircraft stubs", "1910s aircraft stubs" and "1920s aircraft stubs" deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{UPN-stub}}

Created today, used once, category redlink. Another American telivision network. This one seems less likely to be viable. --Mairi 07:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Univision-stub}} / Cat:Univision stubs & {{Telemundo-stub}} / Cat:Telemundo stubs

Both created today and used; Univision and Telemundo are Spanish-language television networks in the US. The size of the main categories makes both of these seem quite doubtful. --Mairi 05:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Univision deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC) Telemundo made to ffed into US-bcast-stub via SFD. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{AFL-stub}}

Created today; initially just transcluded {{afl-bio-stub}}, but I've redirected it to {{Afl-stub}}. However, it's a better capitalization of the name, altho still far from unambiguous. --Mairi 05:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Would {{AustralianFootball-stub}} be a better name? Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 16:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
It would certainly match up with {{Americanfootball-stub}} (apart from the casing on the 'f'). --TheParanoidOne 23:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Just received this on my user talk page: Hi James. User:Rogerthat and the people at Wikipedia:WikiProject AFL have introduced {{afl-bio-stub}} and started replacing afl-stub with it in articles. This doesn't seem to have been done in line with WP:WSS, so I thought you might want to have a look at it and make any necessary explanations. I agree about AustralianFootball-stub - or better still, {{Aussierules-stub}} or {{Australianrules-stub}}, since that's what it's internationally known as. It would cover both AFL and VFL (neither of which are ever used with lower case initials, BTW), and all lower grades as well - (the AFL is only the premier grade of this sport), and in any case AFL could probably easily be confused with American Football to those who don't know about Aussie rules. Grutness...wha? 02:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Caribbean-bcast-stub}}

Created today, used once, feeds into Cat:Broadcasting stubs. --Mairi 04:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Used on 5 articles, 3 of which are lists. Only found two other articles which could potentially be added to this. Nominating for deletion on SfD. DHowell 02:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Christian-denomination-stub}} / Cat:Christian denomination stubs

Created today, used on 93 articles. Given it's size, worth adding to WP:WSS/ST. --Mairi 06:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Finally added to stub list today. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{library-stub}} / Cat:Library stubs

Created today, used on 1 article, worth keeping. Instantnood 21:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

probably tho it will cause the same sort of mess with struct-stubs that museum and stadium do. there are plenty of library stubs tho. BL kiss the lizard 21:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, useful. Possibly we need a {{LIS-stub}} library and information science supercategory, too. --Muchness 02:24, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Sent to SFD today, with an intent on rescoping to a library and information science stub, since that is what it has been used for, with a recommended change in the category name as well. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Analytical-chemistry-stub}} / Cat:Analytical chemistry stubs

Created by Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry, used on 7 articles. Might get enough use... --Mairi 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Category upmerged to Category:Physical chemistry stubs via WP:SFD. Template kept. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Metal-song-stub}} / Cat:Metal song stubs

Created today, used on 86 articles. Looks well formed. --Mairi 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{NZ-actor-stub}}

Created as {{NZ-actors-stub}}, uses Cat:Actor-stub, text doesn't mention actors. Might be worth cleaning up and using... --Mairi 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep and cleanup, useful for sorting. Kappa 22:04, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • agree with kappa. Ive found quite a few of these. Ive tidied it up. BL kiss the lizard 23:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • yeah - I see that someone (BL?) has added a handful of articles to this now. I'll have a look to see if I can find some more. Grutness...wha? 05:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I've had a fairly thorough, but not exhaustive, search - and it's now up to 50 articles. Shouldn't take too much to get it to threshold. Grutness...wha? 06:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Gopher-stub}}

This seems to be intended as a container for any article with "gopher" in the title. I can't see it being particularly useful. --Stemonitis 17:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

weird one, too. It has a category, but it has to be manually added. Currently has three stubs, and might be struggling to get to six, let alone sixty. I'm sfd'ing it. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
correction - it had a "no-include" on the category, which IIRC we dislike here. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Deleted vis SFD. Logged discussion here --TheParanoidOne 06:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Korea-corp-stub}} / Cat:Korean corporation stubs

I created this after someone suggested it at the Korea-related topics notice board, it has 91 articles right now. Kappa 19:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Oregon-State-Highway-stub}} / Cat:Oregon State Highway stubs

Createdy today, unused. No specific wikiproject. There's enough articles in Cat:Oregon state highways that it might get enough use; might as well give it some time and see. --Mairi 00:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Still completely unused, for nearly a week now. More fuel to the capitalisation ad-hoccery fire. I'm going to speedy this as "empty" tomorrow, if there are no objections. Alai 07:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Wait... why exactly was this deleted? People could have tagged articles easily to put them in there. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Reasons as per above. Now on WP:DRV, for extra bonus process. (Though not the actual proposal process, of course.) Alai 19:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
There's other steps in the process first. WP:CSD does not have any provisions for stubs. You could have gotten stubs or asked someone to tag some. Or you could have sent it to SFD. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Thriller-film-stub}} / Cat:Thriller film stubs

Created today, used once. Was previously proposed, but had a somewhat indifferent response. --Mairi 00:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Over 100 stubs now and already on stub list, so its a keeper. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Macedonian-bio-stub}} / Category:Macedonian people stubs

Created more than a month ago and used on 7 articles. There's probably more candidates out there, but I doubt if we can find 60 stubs. In any case, the stub should be renamed to {{Macedonia-bio-stub}}. In this context, the word Macedonia corresponds to (the Former Yugoslav Republic of) Macedonia, not the three regions in Greece. --Valentinian 12:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd support a renaming, but the wording of the template and category is going to have to be very careful to avoid both confusing editors and angering Greeks! Grutness...wha? 09:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
That's where we can just follow the main articles/categories, which have Cat:Macedonian people and Republic of Macedonia. Mairi 04:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Still growing sloooooowly, but for a modicum of consistency, shouldn't we simply delete this as severely under-sized? Alai 06:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Over 60 stubs now, so adding to list. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Georgia-stub}}

Created today (for the country); has a redlink category and used once. Might be useful. --Mairi 05:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that it's for the country, but... we only just deleted Azerbaijan-stub because there were so few stubs relating to the individual countries in the Caucasus. Adding a Georgia-stub immediately is a bit strange and could be seen as bias. Grutness...wha? 09:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I've populated it and it is now over 100 articles (no bio-stub yet, but that consideration is getting relevant). Armenia already has two stubs, so I'll try going through the Azerbaijani material, so we can kill the "Caucasus-stub". It's not elegant that it refers to three countries if two of them already have a separate stub. Valentinian (talk) 19:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Btw, I've added both the Georgian and the Armenian stub to WP:WSS/ST Valentinian (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{England-stub}} / Cat:England stubs

Probably useful. Would have been nice if we'd been told. Grutness...wha? 09:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Creator is an on-record WSS refusenik. Alai 01:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Am I? For the record, what is "an on-record WSS refusenik"? If it is what I think it is, then no I'm not. I am a pragmatist, not a fundamentalist.--Mais oui! 12:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Sorry, I really shouldn't talk about people behind their back -- or at least, make sure it really is behind their back. :) I was intending to a) be mildly humorous, b) indicate that you'd expressed yourself somewhat forcefully on the point of disagreeing with the stub proposal process (and other stub-cabalistic practices besides), and hence c) imply that it'd serve little purpose to upbraid you on said grounds. Alai 03:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
        • Nyaaa... yes and no. As far as I understand it the whole Stub Sorting system is only a guideline and not an official policy, but generally I do accept the wisdom of the guideline. But you must admit that tons of good, useful stubs have been created out-of process, and some duffers have been created with due process (bureaucracies being what they are). Initially, as in all things to do with Wikipedia, I was a bit "forceful", but I have become a lot more philosophical about the whole thing. I really do not want to piss you guys off, apart from anything else cos I am actually about to come grovelling to you at Proposals soon about another new stub idea. I could of course just do it anyway, but I won't push my luck. Well, not grovelling exactly, but... --Mais oui! 12:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
          • I take back b), then; I shouldn't have been retreading my assumptions without updating them. I certainly freely admit all of these things (guidelines, useful out-of, unless in-process). See you on /P in due course, then... Alai 08:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Malaysia-stub}} / Cat:Malaysia stubs

I got bored of typing {{Malaysia-stub}} and getting a red link. 91 stubs atm. Kappa 12:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Keep.--Carabinieri 11:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Listed. Conscious 06:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Serbia-bio-stub}} / Cat:Serbian people stubs

Created on December 7, doesn't seem to be listed or discussed anywhere. (Maybe I'm just missing it - it's not listed at WP:WSS/ST anyway.) Category already populated with over 100 articles. Seems like a keeper to me. -GTBacchus(talk) 18:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree. It seems well-formed and relevant. --Valentinian 21:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree... (but only slightly). It looks OK, but surely it should be Serbian and Montenegrin people stubs. Grutness...wha? 02:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

:::I missed that. Yes, it sould be renamed. --Valentinian 08:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I've just re-checked the categories. The total mass of stubs for Serbia and Montenegro seems to be: {{Serbia-stub}}, {{Montenegro-stub}}, {{SerbiaMontenegro-stub}}, {{Serbia-geo-stub}}, {{Montenegro-geo-stub}}, {{SerbiaMontenegro-geo-stub}}, and {{Serbia-bio-stub}}. There is no {{SerbiaMontenegro-bio-stub}} or {{Montenegro-bio-stub}}, but otherwise the collection seems to be complete. This distinction between the two republics might be seen as a political statement by some people, but I'm not sure if this is the case here. Perhaps somebody is simply trying to show that Serbia and Montenegro were historically separate entities? The "SerbiaMontenegro"-stubs are virtually unused and the Montenegro-stubs are not very full. Montenegrin biographical articles appear to be stubbed with Montenegro-stub, but it might be an idea to go through Serbia-bio-stub and check if it is only used for Serbs or for both Serbs and Montenegrins. Thoughts anyone? --Valentinian 08:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

See the proposal. Conscious 08:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

hm. I thought it had been created as SerbiaMontenegro-bio-stub then, but later realised one didn't exist, so assumed that it hadn't been made. I still think it would be better to have one that covers both for now, with separate ones later if needed - otherwise we are likely to be seen as favouring the proposed split of the country. Note that this is the only case where either exists separately with no "joint umpbrella" category. Grutness...wha? 09:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Italy-actor-stub}} / Cat:Italian actor stubs

This was created today without proposal, but seems to conform to all the rules and is well-populated with 74 stubs.--Carabinieri 10:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Added to stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Podcast-stub}} / Cat:Podcast stubs

Created on November 21 of last year, the creator also made {{Podcasting-stub}} and {{Podcasts-stub}}. I don't think it's ever gone through this project, since the category doesn't mention any of the stubs by name and doesn't mention wpss. Currently the category has 10 articles. - Bobet 22:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

All deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Korea-actor-stub}} / Cat:Korean actor stubs

Created as part of an unofficial "Wikiproject:Make stubs about Korean actors". 79 stubs atm. Kappa 10:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Greyhawk-stub}} / Cat:Greyhawk stubs

Created on January 15th, used on 43 articles. Conscious 15:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Currently used on 86 articles. --Valentinian (talk) 08:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Paganism stubs / {{Paganism-stub}}

Discovered when it was added to the stub type list (I've removed it until it gets discussed. Not convinced it would get enough stubs to reach threshold, and it's going to overlap considrably with both Cat:New Age stubs and Cat:Occult stubs (to be honest, I prefer it to the former category, but that's a personal opinion). Nine stubs at the moment, no parent categories. Template was incorrectly formatted, but it's fine now. May be a keeper, but it needs to be clearly demarcated from the other categories that it overlaps with, or there'll be problems. Grutness...wha? 11:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

There are currently quite a few neopaganism-related articles tagged as reli-stubs or reli-bio-stubs. I have a list of the ones I've found and I will go around re-tagging them when I get the chance. Some of the New Age and occult stubs would also be more appropriately tagged as paganism stubs but got the New Age/occult tag because there wasn't one for paganism. This sounds like a job for the Neopaganism WikiProject to sort out. However, I think it would be a good idea to rename these to "neopaganism" rather than "Paganism" since the articles so tagged are about neopagan religions. Also, the icon needs to go, because a growing number of neopagans are not Wiccans. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 05:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I realise that, being one myself (neopagan but not wiccan, that is). The question of what symbol can be used without offending anyone is a tricky one, though. Blessed be, Grutness...wha? 08:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and more neopaganism-related stubs will likely be created as the WikiProject works to fill in some gaps in Wikipedia's coverage of neopaganism. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 05:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
There are now over 70 stubs in this category and there are plenty more where those came from. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 07:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Grutness that a Pentagram is a perfectly acceptable symbol, granted that this becomes Neopagan-stubs instead of just pagan, as Pentagram says "Many Neopagans, especially Wiccans, use the pentagram as a symbol of faith similar to the Christian cross or the Jewish Star of David. (It is not, however, a universal symbol for Neopaganism, and is rarely used by Reconstructionists.) " The fact that its not used universaly is not a sound argument. If we were to accept that, weed have to remove the Ichtus from chrisitianity-stub, the wheel of life out of buddhism-stb, etc. Phoenix9 18:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

also even though Im the one who prompted it being put there, does a pentagram belong on occult-stub when there is a (neo)paganism catagory Phoenix9 18:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe you have misunderstood what Grutness was saying. I said, "Also, the icon needs to go..." and Grutness replied, "I realize that..." which seems to be an endorsement of the idea that the pentagram icon is not appropriate. Using a pentragram symbol for neopaganism is not like using an ichthus symbol for Christianity; it would be like using an icon of the Pope. The pentagram only represents one pagan religion - Wicca - and is very likely to upset practitioners of other pagan religions. Out of the 82 stubs currently in Category:Paganism stubs, only 48 are related to Wicca. 34 out of 82 stubs is NOT a small minority, especially when you consider that many of the people involved in editing these articles would find the application of a template with a pentagram symbol to be patently offensive. Is there any rule that says a stub template has to have an image? Honestly, would it be better for our server load just to leave the images out? - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 19:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
A stub template doesn't need an image, but they are often a nice visual aid. If it's non-trivial to pick such an image, I'd say don't bother with one. There are more worthwhile things to spend time on. --TheParanoidOne 22:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I understood Grutness to mean "I realise that not all Neopagans are Wiccan" (obviously he would have the definitive opinion on what he meant), but to say that Wicca is the only pagan religon to use a pentagram as a symbol is just outright wrong. (I for one am not wiccan and consider it as a beautiful image that is representative of my beliefs and I get the feeling that Grutness does too (correct me if I'm wrong)) The pentacle article here says, as I quoted above "Many Neopagans, especially Wiccans, use the pentagram...". Now I realize WP isn't always the most reliable source of information (*gasp*), but I have seen this stated in other refrence sources and in people's general opinions expressed in places such as MysticWicks[1] (which despite it's names sound is not dominated by Wiccans) Phoenix9 23:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I meant "I realise that not all neopagans are Wiccans, as I am not a Wiccan myself". However, I use the pentagram, despite not being Wiccan. The decision of exactly what symbol to use is a tricky one, though the pentacle is probably the most widely-accepted symbol in neopaganism - I would have preferred a tree of life, but that would have caused just as many problems (personally an Uffington Horse would have been perfect, but I'd be in the distinct minority there). It may be best not to have any specific icon on this template. Grutness...wha? 05:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] February 2006

[edit] {{IOM-stub}}

Looks like I triggered the creation of this template yesterday by marking an Isle of Man politician with {{UK-politician-stub}} :) The template has no associated category and has a poor name. Conscious 10:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

If a stub was needed for this, then it would either be {{IsleofMan-stub}} or - in keeping with the geo-stubs - {{UK-crown-stub}}, for all the crown dependencies (IoM, Jersey, and Guernsey). Mind you, the latter is somewhat ambiguous. In any case, I don't see this getting near threshold. Grutness...wha? 12:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Can't we just explicitly rescope the UK- categories to include the crown-deps? Alai 02:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
yee..possibly, though the few Channel Islanders and Manx I know strongly dislike being grouped in with the mainland. UK-geo-stub for a while was explicitly noted as including the crown colonies, but that wasn't really appreciated by them, either. Grutness...wha? 08:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Another possibility would be creating a single stub for all crown dependencies. I still don't know if it could reach 60 stub though. --Valentinian 10:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 19:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Confectionary-stub}}, {{Confectionery-stub}}, {{Candy-stub}}

Created 6 February 2006. Used by no articles. The creator makes a lot of redirects-from-misspellings and the like; could someone more involved in WP:WSS explain to him why this is not so good with stub templates? FreplySpang (talk) 17:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I've sent the misspelling to SfD. {{Candy-stub}} should probably be kept as a redirect from an alternate name, since it now exists. I'm neutral on keeping the correctly spelt {{confectionery-stub}} as another redirect from an alternate name. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Confectionary-stub deleted via SFD, the other two made into redirects to {{confection-stub}}. Caerwine Caerwhine 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Military-stub}}

Created 6 February 2006, used by no articles. FreplySpang (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Redirected to {{mil-stub}}. Conscious 18:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, okay, thanks. I thought there was some reason why redirecting stub templates was Bad, or I would have done it myself. FreplySpang (talk) 23:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Having duplicate templates is Worse :) Conscious 05:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
No argument there :-) FreplySpang (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Themepark-stub}} / Cat:Theme Park stubs

Created 14 February 2006, used by 1 article. FreplySpang (talk) 02:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

could keep it and rework ride-stub perhaps. make ride-stub just for amusement park rides and make this one into amusement parks and fairs and theme parks. dont think thered be enough if it was just for theme parks. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 04:00, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Denmark-band-stub}}/Cat:Danish musical group stubs

Created 14 February 2006 without a proposal. Looks well formed and currently has 3 articles. Worth keeping as there are quite a number of Danish bands in {{band-stub}}. --Bruce1ee 05:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Has grown to 57 articles now. --Bruce1ee 08:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I've added this to WP:WSS/ST. --Bruce1ee 06:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subcats of Firearm stubs

Someone has just added seven new subcategories to Cat:firearms stubs - which itself has only some 400 stubs. The chances of all of these getting near threshold are minimal since - excluding the unlikely event of double-stubbing - the average would be below threshold. I've removed them from WP:WSS/ST until we've had a chance to discuss them, but none of them seem to be particularly useful, and several of them have names which contravene our naming rules. The stub types that were listed are:

Personally, I think they should all go to sfd - and certainly there are several hre that need renaming at the least. Sniper-stub isn't for snipers, for one obvious example. Grutness...wha? 03:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

"macgun-stub" and "Machine gun stubs" deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
"ammo-stub" and "Ammunition stubs" deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 12:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
arifle-stub, shotgun-stub, and sniper-stub all speedied (if three months on qualifies as speediness...) as empty/unused. Alai 17:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:UPN stubs

Is this excessively narrowly scoped, or just undersorted? Currently tiny, but permanent cat is large. Alai 15:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I had to look up what an UPN was... the parent category has about 240 articles if all its subcats are counted, but that includes a lot of Buffyverse-stub stuff. In any case, UPN is a subsidiary of CBS - which is a far more viable stub subject, and probably a better place to put these stubs. As with the network-stub currently on SFD (which offhand I don't remember the name of), having separate stubs for the majors is fine, but ones for all the others might be pushing things a bit. Grutness...wha? 22:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here.--TheParanoidOne 10:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{India-school-stub}} and Category:India School stubs

Someone else should check that these are well-formed, but they seem to work, and there's about 70 articles already sorted in there. I can't find any discussion of it, on any WP:WSS project page. Oh, and the 'S' should be lower-case: Category:India school stubs. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

sounds like a useful category but it does need a small s. take it to sfd for a rename? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. :| Alai 04:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Listed at SfD. -GTBacchus(talk) 06:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{comic-strip-stub}} and Category:Comic strip stubs

I created this stub template in an attempt to sub-categorize the huge Category:Comics stubs. I didn't realize there was a proposal process until afterwards. It seems like an obvious sub-category, and isn't covered by the other comics subcats. --Piels 02:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Are there a reasonable number of these? i.e., 60+, or thereabouts? Alai 04:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
If there are 60 or so, it does seem like a good split. Well formed category and template, too. I'll put a wpss-cat template on the main category, though, so that it's a bit clearer that they should be proposed first. Grutness...wha? 05:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been gong thru Cat:Comics stubs and while this stub ain't yet at 60, by the time I'm finished it will be. I've got it up to 38 stubs and I'm only up to C. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Macedonia-stub}} and Category:Macedonia stubs

Pretty much empty. The obvious step is to delete it, but, WikiProject:Former Yugoslavia is in forming ([2], [3]), and few days ago I formed a list of 2500 stub articles that mention some of former Yugoslav republics (via SQL query, I didn't do it by hand ;-) ). I suppose that our WikiProject will be launched in a week or two and then we'll start digging through that list to pick out stubs that are relevant for any of the republics, so this template would be of use to us, since all of former Yu republics have their own stub section... Dunno, you decide what to do, and when you do, please inform me on my talk page. Thanks. --Dijxtra 13:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't surprise me if we saw a geo-stub for it, too, then, though there isn't one yet, and - at 31 current stubs - it's still a way off automatic proposal. As for Macedonia-stub, it may be a case of monitoring it for a few weeks, and deciding what to do with it based on growth or otherwise. Grutness...wha? 22:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Comment: A -bio-stub already exists (listed here on 17 January and currently used on 20 articles): {{Macedonian-bio-stub}}. Still no sight of a -geo-stub. BTW, the -bio stub should still be renamed. --Valentinian 22:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I'll move it, but the former name will still be there a redirect. It's going to have to be reworded carefully, though, because of the Macedonia-Greece issues. Grutness...wha? 23:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Correction: Macedonian-bio-stub is a direct copy of Macedonia-bio-stub, so should be sfd'd anyway.

[edit] {{Music-history-stub}}/Cat:Music history stubs

Created 29 December 2005. I can find no record of this being previously listed here or proposed. Looks well formed but currently has only 8 articles. --Bruce1ee 13:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

should be music-hist-stub, no? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 21:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid so. Valentinian (talk) 22:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
It is currently used on 8 articles. It should be deleted. --Valentinian (talk) 00:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] {{Tycoon-cvg-stub}}/Cat:Tycoon Computer Games stubs

Discovered when its creator (User:Primate) added it to the stub type list (I've removed it while it's discussed). The template is now well-formed (as I have removed the noinclude from the category name), but the category has no parents and is incorrectly capitalised. More importantly, though, the main Cat:Tycoon computer games has only 23 articles, so the chances of it containing the necessary 60 stubs are approximately nil. In any case, these stubs are already well-served with {{strategy-cvg-stub}}. Unless there are significant reasons not to, this should be sfd'd. Grutness...wha? 05:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I left a note with the creator of this and he agrees that it's overly narrow a categorisation. He's moved the articles to simulation-cvg-stub and asked for this to be deleted so I've speedied it (request of only editor). It would be very nice if more editors were like that :) Grutness...wha? 23:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)