Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Yen Bai mutiny

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[edit] Yen Bai mutiny

The most notable attack of the Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang (A class) - in 1930. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 09:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - This article doesn't have a concise lead section, and lacks images/other supporting materials. --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I have found an infobox, a few images that a relevant and fixed the content issues. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

*Comment you should provide some refs for the numbers in the infobox. Still, this article needs more images/supporting materials, especially in the lasr 3-4 sections. --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 10:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• Reply:Okey doke. I did provide refs for the numbers in the box explicitly. I didn't originally since it just repeated the part in the main body. Unfortunately, the second half of the article is about the military reforms and safeguards and new military regulations introduced after the mutiny to stop further uprisings. As such it did not really discuss any people, so there weren't any people pics that are relevant (I did look up French Governor General of the time, but all the books at User:Blnguyen/Viet library and others at my uni library focus on what the Vietnamese did against the French rule, rather than the more mundane things of the the French bureaucrats going about their day to day business. I googled "Pierre Pasquier" up and didnt find anything except his name on a list of governors. The textbooks I have don't even mention him at all let alone a picture, only the research paper did. So there's no pics of any French people. I went to the VNQDD website and they don't have any pics of VNQDD people at all. The VNQDD were a secret org - Yen Bai was their first attack - so there are no photos of them, except one of the leader, which is already there. This left me with only the possibility of using maps in discussing the geopolitical things of the troop transfer – I added two of these. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support - major improvements have been made so i'm supporting it now, even if I don't completely trust this last-minute adjustements. --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 07:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support Comment. There's a lot of good information in the article and no major grammatical mistakes. The issue I see is that the "French Reaction" section is way longer than the section on the actual mutiny. In fact, it looks like the reaction section could be a separate article. Perhaps the article would look more balanced if you moved the "Background of Vietnamese troops in the French colonial army" into the "Background and Planning" section. If you have any pictures, even recent ones, of the locations where the actions took place, you could use those as images. Also, you might include how the mutiny affected Vietnamese history up to the point that the French left Vietnam altogether. Cla68 (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the section about military reforms caused by the mutiny was much longer than the section about the mutiny and the resulting direct punishments, so I significantly pruned the reform section so that it only contained most of the big facts rather than all the reasoning into them. That increased the picture density, simply from the article shrinking by 25%. As for the images, I went to the Vietnamese wiki-article on Yen Bai province and followed the link to the provincial government website, which was broken. So that rules out PD-gov images from Vietnam.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I left the background of using native troops in the second half, since it was more related to the resulting military reforms rather than being a root cause of the mutiny. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I reiterated the total lack of impact the mutiny had in damaging French control on Vietnam. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support, A-Class material. Flows well, cited well, lack of images understandable. Well done. Woodym555 (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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