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[edit] Politicians

[edit] Francis Ammendolea

Francis Ammendolea (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Best claim of notability in article is being elected to a library board. Gsearch for both Francis and Frank don't turn up any notability. Probable autobiography; contested prod. Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mad Cow-Girl

Mad Cow-Girl (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable politician. Being a candidate in an election does not make a person notable. Of the two news sites offered as evidence of notability, one does not mention her and the other includes her only in a brief round-up of minor party attitudes to the election. Warofdreams talk 20:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep-the sources provided show little verifiability, however, when searched on Google alongside the name of the Monster Raving Looney Party, it gets a quite a few hits, that verifies and proves her notability as a politician. [1] --SRX--LatinoHeat 20:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Putting "Monster Raving Loony Party" and "Mad Cow Girl" in quotes gives only 59 ghits. Once you remove the OMRLP's own sites, lists of candidates in seats in which she's stood, Everything2 and a couple of blogs, there's very little left. They are: [2] noting that she won a seat on a community board (in an election with a total turnout of 338 people) and [3] which has a quote from her as Party Secretary of the OMRLP - but as the only one on the net, it's not enough for me to see this as notable. Warofdreams talk 20:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - The David Davis by-election controversy increases her notability and has led to her getting mentions on national news sites. The google test is a load of **** any way. If google has everything why are be even bothering writing an encyclopedia? Understandably the creation of an article on a frivolous political candidate causes the deletionist cabal to exercise its wrath but if one steps back from following Kafkaesque notability guidelines Wikipedia is stronger for this article than without it Francium12 (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable in and of herself, and the article provides no assertion of notability to Wikipedia standards. I repeated Warofdream's Google search and confirm that she is barely verifiable, let alone actually notable. She's barely getting news coverage, nothing actually about her, and is right on the "famous for one event" thing that we don't do. ➨ ЯEDVEЯS used to be a sweet boy 21:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Searching her real name Rosalyn Warner increases the number of google hits. Francium12 (talk) 21:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I get 58 ghits for that, about half of which are her, and all of those appear to be lists of election candidates or results with no additional information. Warofdreams talk 22:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - even if she had won, I'm not 100% convinced she would be notable --T-rex 22:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Forget Google, the article makes no claim to notability. Running for office doesn't satisfy WP:BIO. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete without prejudice A possible Speedy this one, and I've been having something of an argument about this earlier today. This woman has barely "won" any more than 200 votes in the elections she had stood in. She is no more a politician than me - I've stood in 6 elections and failed each time, do I get a page? The Monster Raving Loony Party stand in almost all by-elections, making them notable, but indiviudal candidates are not. doktorb wordsdeeds 11:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable as a serial candidate, per ample precedent on candidates. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak delete without prejudice - the best claim to notability in the article is that she is the OMRLP's campaigns officer [edit: and secretary, and archivist]. But I don't think that's really adequate. Without prejudice, on the (unlikely) possibility that she might win. DWaterson (talk) 21:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep The credibility of the OMRLP is on the line here, given that Davis may actually be a mainstream loon[4]. It's clear that in fielding Mad Cow-Girl they have chosen a highly electable candidate. She is therefore the strongest Loony candidate for a very long time, and for that alone she is highly notable. Just because one or two editors above may have failed political ambitions above does not mean we should sacrifice the integrity of Wikipedia itself.--91.106.28.24 (talk) 01:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jacob Sanders

AfDs for this article:
Articles for deletion/Jacob Sanders Articles for deletion/Jacob Sanders (3rd nomination) Articles for deletion/Jacob Sanders (second nomination)
Jacob Sanders (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

First AfD was in 2005 second was in 2006 and the result was delete, this article has not gained any additional notability since then. Per the precedent set with all recent deletions of losing candidates and local councillors Darrenhusted (talk) 11:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Satwant Kaur Dogra

Satwant Kaur Dogra (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Seemingly autobiographical article on a non-notable politician. I was unable to find any sources on the subject apart from a single story in a local paper. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 19:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete. Non-notable local politician. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable local politician.--Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 20:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non notable, as above. Created by User:Satwantkaurdogra so quite possibly a vanity article. Rehevkor (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Unless referenced Looks like non notable. OK if referenced properly with reliable and verifiable sources -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 02:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Week Keep in the event of references add. The article needs a cleanup,wikify and more material -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 13:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Comment: Can your provide us with possible references ? Googling apparently gave Nil results -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete. Non notable, unsourced. Bidgee (talk) 10:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Weak Keep. Article needs more work on sources and cleaned up as per WP:BIO. Bidgee (talk) 14:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Week keep. I think the references I've put in the article just about do the job by giving coverage of the subject and confirming the positions held by her. These are not local papers as claimed by the nominator. They are newspapers that cover a state with a population of 10 million. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I meant "local" as opposed to "national"; I couldn't even find circulation figures in the paper's website. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather see an article improved than deleted any day—otherwise I would have PRODded it or brought it to AfD sooner—but I am still not convinced that this constitutes "significant coverage". Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Some cleanup done by me... (Diff) I leave the article to 'fate' ;) -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 13:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
comment, state/provincial-level politicians don't need significant coverage, its significant that she was even elected, just as any state senator or assembly person in any American state is notable by default. Now on top of that is quite clear that she also has plenty of non-trivial news coverage in multiple reliable sources i.e. newspapers.Myheartinchile (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Comment. There is no claim in the article that she is a member of an elected assembly, just that she is a leader of a political party (with no indication of the level at which she is a leader), a local trade union organisation and a state-wide NGO. Maybe some US editors are getting a bit confused here; in an Indian context "Congress" is a political party, not a legislature. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
When I nominated the article, I couldn't verify that she was indeed an elected state-level politician, and I still haven't found Ms. Dogra in the Election Commission of India's lists of successful candidates for recent J&K elections. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 12:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. I've changed my mind. When I saw the references in state-wide newspapers referring to her as a "senior Congress leader" I assumed that that meant she was one of the top party leaders at the state level. I've now found this official list of the 144 state comittee members and she's not on it, and she also isn't on the list of district presidents. Whatever post she holds in the Congress Party must be much more junior than the newspaper articles imply. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mary Anderson (Mayor, Kinney, MN)

Mary Anderson (Mayor, Kinney, MN) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Mayor of a small town which once seceded in protest of lack of government services. Though interesting, it's still only one event. Google shows very little other than this article. A previous prod was contested. Plvekamp (talk) 03:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- Plvekamp (talk) 03:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. This crosses the notability line to me on the second bullet point in WP:POLITICIAN. ~ Antiselfpromotion (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep mayors are inherently notable. She was born in 1915, so Google hits are not going to be plentiful. Lack of Google hits does not support lack of notability, verifiable sources may not be online for someone born that long ago. The place to look would be in the local newspaper morgue. Actually, the article is sourced via paper, with articles in papers from Duluth and Minneapolis. So, maybe the morgues of not so local papers. The article is in serious need of rewriting, though. Dlohcierekim 06:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nothing indicating anything more than WP:LOCAL significance for this mayor of a town of 199. Additionally, the article seems suspiciously like WP:SPAM for the book about her. The article about the town covers the secession in sufficient detail. --Dhartung | Talk 07:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Pity the creator did not use the book to give us more substantial info instead of that fluff. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 07:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. The notion that mayors are inherently notable is patently untrue. The town in question, Kinney, has a population of a few hundreds. Subject was not mayor at the time of secession. Punkmorten (talk) 08:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Mayors are not inherently notable, and there are no reliable sources about this one. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. It actually took me a while to come to this conclusion - the article does seem to have sources, and while they largely are unavailable online their existence seems to check out. She was indeed the mayor of Kinney during the 'secession' and played a role in it, thus the existence of some news articles mentioning her. However, the one single event that might have made her notable gets only lip service in this article - the rest is all fluff that does appear to be an attempt to promote a book. In any case, as Dhartung has pointed out, the secession (and her involvement in it) is well covered in the article about the town and beyond that there's nothing left for this article. Arkyan 17:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge into Kinney, Minnesota. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep' according to WP:LOACLFAME, local notability is, to some degree, noatbility. Ben1283 (talk) 17:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Article is already well cited and I added some more sources that I hope will more clearly demonstrate her notability. She also apparently gets a shout-out in the New Times of Russia, among other iron-curtain sources, but Google Books only has snippet views for that issue, and I can't read her mention. (Apparently in the 1970s, Russians were really interested in Americans who wanted to secede from the union. Who knew?) Ditto for the minutes of her testimony before the United States Senate Finance Subcommittee on International Trade and Global Competitiveness. Ford MF (talk) 17:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

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