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[edit] General


[edit] Albania

[edit] Luan Bexheti

Luan Bexheti (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unnotable actor(?), doesn't meet WP:ENTERTAINER notability standard. Nadda in Google News. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

  • It looks like you understand Albanian. I don't. Is the link that you provided about a documentary that he was involved with or is it about him. Basically, has he satisfied the "significant coverage" requirement of WP:BIO?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Delete Seems like a guy on his way up, but doesn't meet any of the criteria of WP:ENTERTAINER yet: 1) no significant roles, nor roles in multiple significant films; 2) no evidence of large fan base or cult following; 3) no evidence of "unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment". While I don't understand Albanian, the link Eastmain refers to above only mentions him twice, among a list of other names, which makes it pretty clear that while he is somehow associated with the documentary, he is probably not the focus of it.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 04:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Austria

[edit] Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

  • 13 September 2007 - expires 18 September
    • Egon Ranshofen-Wertheimer Award (PROD by User:Indrian; The award, which will first be given in Sept 2007, "is chartered to distinguish expatriate Austrians who stood up for Austria in an outstanding fashion.")


[edit] Belgium

[edit] Bulgaria

[edit] Croatia

[edit] Czech Republic

[edit] Denmark

[edit] Aarhus University Shooting

Aarhus University Shooting (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Hoax/attack page. No sources available for this event. There appear to be several people named Flemming Nielsen, but none of them are referenced in this context. BradV 16:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep and cleanup. The IHT reference confirms the date, university, number of victims slain and wounded, weapon, shooter's age, shooter's length of association with the university, and shooter's fate. The rest of the article may be fictitious. I've removed all the US-centric tags from the article, since it didn't happen in the United States, and will make some other obvious improvements. Jclemens (talk) 18:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
One good RS, along with a number of non-RS which can be googled, confirm the event took place--it is not a hoax. This article does include details that are not confirmed by the English-language reference, however. I can't read Danish and Babelfish doesn't offer it, so we could use the help of a Danish-speaker here to look at the second listed source. Jclemens (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. There is a copyright issue: the text is a word-by-word translation of the Danish-language reference [2]. The author of that reference claims copyright, with the proviso that "Partial quotation of the text is allowed only when clearly linked or referenced" to his page. I would think that requires more explicit citation, including quotation marks, than is currently done on the Wikipedia page. The reference itself is not obviously a reliable source: it is a list of Danish murders maintained by an individual as a subpage of the web site of a cluster of apartment buildings. It does list its primary sources at [www.bredalsparken.dk/~drabssageridanmark/html/webmaster.html]. It specifies that "some names have been altered", which in itself would seem to disqualify it as a source for the name of the perpetrator. The event is arguably notable and deserves a page, but the current page needs to be re-written based, to start with, on the IHT reference. --mglg(talk) 20:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Rewrote the article to remove unsubstantiated names and eliminate copyvio. It's pretty stubby now. Jclemens (talk) 21:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • There's an article at fyens.dk that also mentions a Flemming Nielsen as perpetrator of the shooting, so the information from drabsager seems to be correct. (Lord Gøn (talk) 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC))
  • MERGE This might be applicable as a section of another article, but with google only turning up one English language source, It doesn't appear to have much on its own. HatlessAtless (talk) 21:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
What would you like to merge this with? BradV 21:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
List of school-related attacks already seems to contain most of the content of this article which can be derived from the IHT source. School shootings is the only other mainspace article that links to it. Jclemens (talk) 21:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletions

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[edit] Estonia

[edit] Tõnu Trubetsky

Tõnu Trubetsky (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

This is the real name of an extremely prolific spammer User:Bloomfield. This article was written by him and his many socks (note that earlier history of the article is at Tony Blackplait and that page did not survive a deletion attempt at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony Blackplait).

I have been trying to clean up Bloomfield's mess for a very long time. He posted rambling genealogical articles about early Lithuanian dukes. See, for example, this version before I cleaned up the article. Note how it corresponds with self-posted genealogy at his band's page at http://www.dcc.ttu.ee/Bands/english/get.asp?ident=909 (which dates from 1996).

His real life identity does not show any signs of notability. The article has many interwikis - all by him (possibly except lb:Tony Blackplait - translated from English?). Any external links are probably written by him. As I said, he's very prolific. He lists many books, films, bands, etc. but none of them check out. At first glance it looks ok (as it had three years to root in), but after more careful investigation it does not hold water. Renata (talk) 14:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I also list related articles:
  • Delete all per nom BanRay 19:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Tõnu Trubetsky, I've just asked my younger brother, who is more familiar with Estonian culture and he says Trubetsky is indeed a rather notable personality over here (even gave me a book written by him), so I guess we can keep that one, as for the rest - I'm not sure, this is certainly not my area of expertise. BanRay 21:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep Tõnu Trubetsky; keep Vennaskond or merge with Tõnu Trubetsky. The conflict of interest is, indeed, annoying, and I've had to intermittently deal with it for more than three years (see here). The COI is a separate issue, but I would say block or ban the user(s) involved. We've previously been through this notability discussion regarding Trubetsky: See User:Andres' previous AfD comments, which IMHO should have been sufficeint criteria to keep the article. I verified the bibliography section myself (i.e. looking up Trubetsky's books in an online Estonian library catalog, and obtaining the ISBN codes). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • P.S. Note that Sue Catwoman (The Flowers of Romance album) is notable for (ostensibly) placing on the Estonian Latvian music charts, though this still awaits attribution. Note also that this presents a situation in which an album is notable but the band involved (by previous Wikipedia consensus) is not; suggest that the Estonian band called "Flowers of Romance" be rolled into the Vennaskond or Trubetsky articles. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete, per Renata's reasoning. Cleaning up this puppeteer's mess is hard enough without the rest of the community hampering those who do by finding excuses to keep his vanity article. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 05:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Tõnu Trubetsky is a famous personality in Estonia. He is primarily known as the leader and vocalist of the band Vennaskond. He also is known as a partisan of punk and anarchism. He is an outspring of the princely family of Trubetskoy (see also ru:Трубецкие). I can confirm what the anonymous contributor said above: Vennaskond is a famous band in Estonia ("Insener Garini hüperboloid" and "Pille-Riin" are indeed well-known songs in Estonia). The Flowers of Romance is less known. Its story is explained, for example, here (in Estonian). It involves almost the same people as Vennaskond but it is intended to be a different band. I am not sure if there should be a special article here about them. In any case, it is far more known in Estonia as the original band The Flowers of Romance, and the Estonian Wikipedia has an article about them (et:The Flowers of Romance). The Estonian article has probably been written by involved people and needs cleanup (it includes some mystification and glorification). Due to mystification by the members of the band it is difficult to find correct information about the band in English. But the article I referred to above should be trustworthy. The spamlike activities by Tõnu Trubetsky and possibly others should be kept apart from the notability issue. Andres (talk) 07:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete The article has been around for 2 1/2 years, yet it has absolutely no independant sources for any of the claims. And most of the claims are not notable - he's been doing redlinked songs for redlinked albums with redlinked people in redlinked bands one of which actually managed a whole 5 gig tour with another redlinked band. He's appeared in redlinked films, most of which are self-made or directed by redlinks. He's written articles for redlinked magazines, as well as relinked books with redlinked co-authors from redlinked publishers. If he's really as important as he's trying to make himself sound then there should be some independant sources - yet his only source is his own Myspace page. Edward321 (talk) 23:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete the whole family - I see no coverage, let alone coverage in reliable sources. Abstain from the bands, however. Some of them have links and references, and since I'm on terra incognita I won't opine on their usefulness.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Trubetsky not only vocalist. He is productive writer also [2]. His position in Estonian culture environment is very meaningful. Singer, writer, poet, actor, director... And delete??--HendrixEesti (talk) 07:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. for estonian music he is maybe more important than John Lydon for punk music at all -- Ahsoous (talk) 09:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Tõnu Trubetski is a legendary punk-musician in Estonia. He is less known outside Estonia, because the lyrics of his songs are mostly written in Estonian. The article needs just a clean-up. --Metsavend (talk) 13:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Keep Vennaskond (and a weak keep or merge for Tõnu Trubetsky), neutral for now on the rest. I've never heard of this band myself before, but searching Google for vennaskond punk (in Estonian, Finnish and English) turns up enough seemingly independent sources asserting notability (e.g. [3], [4], [5] and [6]) that I'm willing to believe them. (And by the way, The Flowers of Romance (Estonian band) should probably be a redirect to Vennaskond, since they appear to be essentially the same band under different names.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 18:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Estonia Proposed deletions


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[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion

[edit] Finland

[edit] Proposed deletions

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The result was Keep See rationale and suggestions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seppo Taalasmaa. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elina Taalasmaa

Elina Taalasmaa (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS Magioladitis (talk) 16:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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  • NOTE - The nom is attempting to delete every character article of the popular Finnish TV show Salatut elämät.-Oakshade (talk) 03:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge a summary onto List of actors on Salatut elämät.—RJH (talk) 01:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Consensus has long since decided fictional character articles, including in soap operas, can be included. Major character in long running national soap opera. WikiProject Soap Operas (WP:SOAPS) is not a notability guideline, but a project improvement page and in no manner mandates article deletions. If you feel the article should be improved, a wiki-improvement tag is more appropriate, not article deletion. There's too much subject specific information here to merge.--Oakshade (talk) 03:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Delete I disagree Oakshade. Those aspects of WP:FICT which expand upon WP:NOT#PLOT are essentially an extension of consensus policy. There is general agreement that purely {{in-universe}} content is inappropriate for Wikipedia. Eusebeus (talk) 13:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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  • Comment The list of characters can be converted to something like the List of Family Affairs characters. Separate articles cannot be supported without any real world information. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:PLOT (too little real-world context) and WP:N and WP:V (multiple independent secondary sources giving significant coverage are needed to demonstrate notability and to allow the reader to verify the content). Jakew (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • keep or Merge or redirect, depending on the importance of the character, but since a character might be a search term, the one thing that should not be done is delete. Spin out for major characters is still acceptable-- WP:SOAPS is only a project. I would like to see evidence first that someone with access to Finnish language sources has at least looked for them. DGG (talk) 00:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, the character appeared on the show for 9 years. I'm not sure exactly what part of WP:SOAPS this article fails. Even if this article did fail parts of WP:SOAPS, it's a guideline for a WikiProject, not Wikipedia as a whole. What real world information do you want the article to have? --Pixelface (talk) 15:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per Jakew. His rationale is virtually the same as mine. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 04:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Pixelface. ,,n (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
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The result was Keep. See rationale and suggestions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seppo Taalasmaa. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ulla Taalasmaa

Ulla Taalasmaa (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS. My prod was reverted as " minor edit" without any explanation. Magioladitis (talk) 16:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

  • keep or Merge or redirect, depending on the importance of the character, but since a character might be a search term, the one thing that should not be done is delete. Spin out for major characters is still acceptable-- WP:SOAPS is only a project. I would like to see evidence first that soeone with access to Finnish language sources has at least looked for them. DGG (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per my previous comment. Eusebeus (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
actually, each afd debate here stands on its own. DGG (talk) 16:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, the nominator does not give a valid reason for deletion. The sentence "She was played by Maija-Liisa Peuhu and appeared as a regular character in the series from 1999–2007." actually is real world information. I don't see how this article "fails" SOAPS. And I have to question why the nominator decided to put prod tags on every character article related to Salatut elämät saying "Fails notability per WP:FICTION" when WP:FICTION is simply a proposal. --Pixelface (talk) 15:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment It is like opposing an episode article to be merged because it states that this is the fifth episode of the series, so it contains real world information. I think I should write contains no real world information but trivial which it is already found in the list of characters article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Finnish TV show so sources exist mostly in foreign language, like this The TV series is popular so Wikipedia needs to cover the characters also. Merge to a list of characters may be considered later, but that requires a keep anyway. --PeaceNT (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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  • Comment I agree with that: The soap is notable. I didn't Afd the soap! That the soap is notable doesn't imply that each individual character is notable! It's exactly like episodes and TV series. A soap it's much more that its characters. This is another reason I didn't make a group Afd.-- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Wizardman 17:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jenni Vainio

Jenni Vainio (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS. I prodded the article and my prod was reverted as "minor edit" without any explanation. Magioladitis (talk) 16:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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  • NOTE - The nom is attempting to delete every character article of the popular Finnish TV show Salatut elämät. --Oakshade (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)--Oakshade (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Consensus has long since decided fictional character articles, including in soap operas, can be included. Major character in long running national soap opera. WikiProject Soap Operas (WP:SOAPS) is not a notability guideline, but a project improvement page and in no manner mandates article deletions. If you feel the article should be improved, a wiki-improvement tag is more appropriate, not article deletion.--Oakshade (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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  • Comment The list of characters can be converted to something like the List of Family Affairs characters. Separate articles cannot be supported without any real world information. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete unless multiple reliable secondary sources can be found to demonstrate notability and to make the article verifiable. Jakew (talk) 19:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • keep or Merge or redirect, depending on the importance of the character, but since a character might be a search term, the one thing that should not be done is delete. Spin out for major characters is still acceptable-- WP:SOAPS is only a project. I would like to see evidence first that someone with access to Finnish language sources has at least looked for them. DGG (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per my previous comment. Eusebeus (talk) 13:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, there is no policy against articles about fictional characters from soap operas. I don't know why the nominator thinks mentioning that Anu Palevaara portrays this character is not real world information. WP:SOAPS is a guideline for one particular WikiProject, it doesn't dictate policy for the whole site. --Pixelface (talk) 15:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment You can't build a whole article about a fictional charactered standing only in one line which indicated the actor's name and the years of appearance (unreferenced). We certainly can make a better list of characters with short descriptions but do we really must have 6 different articles? Is each of these characters notable on its own? -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


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The result was Keep per a general consensus not to outright delete. There is also a strong feeling that a "List of characters..." article, with the contents of the character articles merged to it (along with redirects of the character's names) may be more appropriate. That's for the talkpages, not AfD. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seppo Taalasmaa

Seppo Taalasmaa (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS Magioladitis (talk) 16:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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  • NOTE - The nom is attempting to delete every character article of the popular Finnish TV show Salatut elämät. --Oakshade (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Consensus has long since decided fictional character articles, including in soap operas, can be included. Major character in long running national soap opera. WikiProject Soap Operas (WP:SOAPS) is not a notability guideline, but a project improvement page and in no manner mandates article deletions. If you feel the article should be improved, a wiki-improvement tag is more appropriate, not article deletion.--Oakshade (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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  • Comment The list of characters can be converted to something like the List of Family Affairs characters. Separate articles cannot be supported without any real world information. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete unless multiple reliable secondary sources can be found to demonstrate notability and to make the article verifiable. Some WP:PLOT concerns also. Jakew (talk) 19:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • keep or Merge or redirect, depending on the importance of the character, but since a character might be a search term, the one thing that should not be done is delete. Spin out for major characters is still acceptable- I would like to see evidence first that someone with access to Finnish language sources has at least looked for them. DGG (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per my previous comment. Eusebeus (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, the nominator would have done better to include all these Salatut elämät characters into one nomination. I can certainly see how this article could be merged into a List of Salatut elämät characters so deletion does not appear to be an option. The sentence " He is played by Jarmo Koski." actually is real world information. And non-Wikiproject Soap Opera members are under no obligation to follow whatever SOAPS says. --Pixelface (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment It is like opposing an episode article to be merged because it states that this is the fifth episode of the series, so it contains real world information. I think I should write contains no real world information but trivial which it is already found in the list of characters article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. The character has appeared on one of the most popular TV series of Finland for nine years as one of it's main characters. Definitely notable. ,,n (talk) 04:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Finnish TV show so sources exist mostly in foreign language, like this The TV series is popular so Wikipedia needs to cover the characters also. Merge to a list of characters may be considered later, but that requires a keep anyway. --PeaceNT (talk) 15:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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  • Comment I agree with that: The soap is notable. I didn't Afd the soap! That the soap is notable doesn't imply that each individual character is notable! It's exactly like episodes and TV series. A soap it's much more that its characters. This is another reason I didn't make a group Afd.-- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
but the first step is to figure out which is the important ones--I recognize your reasonable intentions, why don't you try suggesting a merge without loss of content. Myself, I don;t like the genre much, but to the extent they are interesting at all, it is primarily in terms of the recurring characters--opinions will vary here, so the solution is to treat all aspects well,poor more exactly to let others do so. DGG (talk) 02:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
The creation of a good List of characters article containing all biographies of the 6 characters would be something useful. I agree with that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
If here were articles about clearly less notable Salkkarit characters with much shorter tenure, I could very well vote for deletion. But here in English Wikipedia are only eight articles about characters of this show and in my opinion all of those eight are among the most important characters of the series. Elina, Kari, Seppo, Ulla, Ismo, Jenni and Laura were part of the original group of characters and Aaro, although the character had shorter tenure, is notable as probably the most well-known villain character of the show. ,,n (talk) 21:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, default to keep. Wizardman 17:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aaro Vaalanne

Aaro Vaalanne (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS Magioladitis (talk) 16:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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  • Keep - Consensus has long since decided fictional character articles, including in soap operas, can be included. Major character in long running national soap opera. WikiProject Soap Operas (WP:SOAPS) is not a notability guideline, but a project improvement page and in no manner mandates article deletions. If you feel the article should be improved, a wiki-improvement tag is more appropriate, not article deletion.--Oakshade (talk) 03:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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  • Comment The list of characters can be converted to something like the List of Family Affairs characters. Separate articles cannot be supported without any real world information. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete unless multiple reliable secondary sources can be found to demonstrate notability and to make the article verifiable. Jakew (talk) 19:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per my previous comment. Eusebeus (talk) 13:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, having no real world information is not a reason to delete, but this article has real world information anyway: "He is played by Teemu Lehtilä. Aaro Vaalanne was in serie in the production periods 2004–2006. The character came back to the series in the spring–autumn 2007." I don't see what part of WP:SOAPS this article "fails." It may be preferable to have articles on individual characters of Salatut elämät rather than 1403 articles for each and every episode. --Pixelface (talk) 15:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment It is like opposing an episode article to be merged because it states that this is the fifth episode of the series, so it contains real world information. I think I should write contains no real world information but trivial which it is already found in the list of characters article. Better have a well-organised List of characters with short accurate character profiles than having 1403 character articles with variations of the episodes plots or plot summaries. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. ,,n (talk) 04:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


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The result was no consensus, but leaning towards keep, so defaults to keep. Wizardman 17:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Laura Kiviranta

Laura Kiviranta (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS. Magioladitis (talk) 16:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Question - Why did you place this in the "Places and transportation" category?--Oakshade (talk) 23:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I fixed it. Obviously a mistake. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment The list you shown me it's a perfect place for many nominations. Check the guidelines in WP:SOAPS:

Character articles should always be written from a "real world" perspective, and should definitely not consist simply of in-universe plot summary. As such, it should include:

  • Real-world dates for when the character was created
  • Which actors have played the character, and when
  • Any awards which were won by the actor for playing that character -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Response - That's an excellent case for article improvement, not deletion. That WikiProject Soap Operas (WP:SOAPS) project page (not by any means a notability guideline) you quoted was created for uniformity and improvement of soap opera character articles and doesn't mandate deletion. A wiki-improvement tag is more appropriate. I don't subscribe to the "We have to destroy this article in order to save it" mentality. --Oakshade (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Response They are hundreds of fictional character articles not having any notability. The important is to improve the soap opera's article and the list of characters article. Individual articles for characters which is impossible a real world information should be merge or delete. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
It's not at all impossible to improve this article, especially of that "real world information" that you feel the article must be deleted if it currently doesn't have (WP:SOAPS doesn't mandate deletion if an article is currently deficient of these things as you claimed). As it's major character in long running soap opera, all of the requested information can be found and likely known by millions of fans. Deleting is not the solution if an article needs work. --Oakshade (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
And another note, this article actually does show what dates the character was created (one of the the original characters) and which actor played the character and when (Piitu Uski for it's entire run). There were no awards for the actor playing the character so that last "requirement" doesn't apply. Under your own criteria, this article "passes" the style guidelines set up in WP:SOAPS. --Oakshade (talk) 03:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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  • Comment The list of characters can be converted to something like the List of Family Affairs characters. Separate articles cannot be supported without any real world information. Most of the character articles violate the WP:FICTION guidelines. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:PLOT (too little real-world context) and WP:N and WP:V (multiple independent secondary sources giving significant coverage are needed to demonstrate notability and to allow the reader to verify the content). Jakew (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • keep or Merge or redirect, depending on the importance of the character, but since a character might be a search term, the one thing that should not be done is delete. Spin out for major characters is still acceptable-- WP:PLOT is at this point totally disputed, and, in any case, only refers to articles which are only plot summary without other content. I would like to see evidence first that someone with access to Finnish language sources has at least looked for them. DGG (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
and,. fwiw, there is no really agreed wording of WP:PLOT. at present it only indicates that articles should not be entirely plot summary. DGG (talk) 00:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
...which this article is. It's only a plot but a line. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
to facilitate discussion, I copy the relevant part from your comment there, although you didn't even bother to cut and paste: "Those aspects of WP:FICT which expand upon WP:NOT#PLOT are essentially an extension of consensus policy. There is general agreement that purely in-universe content is inappropriate for Wikipedia" Unfortunately, if anyone cares to go the the FICT page they will see right at the top: the following is a proposed Wikipedia policy, guideline, or process. the reason it's only proposed is because there's no consensus, as the extremely long talk pages the demonstrate. probably it's time to mark rejected if people persist in refusing to compromise.DGG (talk) 19:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, the text "played by Piitu Uski. Laura has been in the series since the beginning.[1] She appeared in the series in years 1999–2008." is real-world information. Does the nominator speak Finnish? Somehow I doubt they've looked for any sources in ANY Finnish newspapers. And non-project members are under no obligation to follow SOAPS. --Pixelface (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
the degree of agreement and rationality at the SOAP guidelines might be a good example for some of the other discussions. According to them, all this needs is the addition of the real-world details about the character's part in the show. The people who do not want to follow reasonable compromise are not setting a good example here. DGG (talk) 19:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment to Pixelface It is like opposing an episode article to be merged because it states that this is the fifth episode of the series, so it contains real world information. I think I should write contains no real world information but trivial which it is already found in the list of characters article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. ,,n (talk) 04:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree with that: The soap is notable. I didn't Afd the soap! That the soap is notable doesn't imply that each individual character is notable! It's exactly like episodes and TV series. A soap it's much more that its characters. This is another reason I didn't make a group Afd.-- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep this organized, referenced, and well-presented article that even has an image. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] France

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[edit] Germany

[edit] Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

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[edit] Greece

[edit] Gerasimos Kalogerakis

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The article has been previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerasimos Kalogerakis. Article does not seem to show much notability. Captain panda 20:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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  • 2008
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[edit] Hungary

[edit] Iceland

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  • 28 August Búbbarnir (PROD by User:Moglex; "...an Icelandic television program featuring a cast of puppets.")


[edit] Ireland

[edit] Lisbon Treaty - Irish Ratification

Lisbon Treaty - Irish Ratification (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

This article should be deleted on the grounds that is it wholly inappropriate. The creator of this article stated that: There is confusion in Ireland over whether this will be good for the country or otherwise, and an excess of information from many extreme points of view is adding to this. This article has been created in order to invite an impartial combination of sources into a brief summary to help the general public. This is the job of the Irish Referendum Commission not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is there to provide factual articles on the Lisbon Treaty / Referendum / Ratification not help the general public make up their minds on which way to vote. Wikipedia is not a blog or a forum for discussion. Finally, the points in the article about the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty are not unique to Ireland and will affect the whole of the EU if the treaty is ratified. Snappy56 (talk) 17:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Agreed, it's also almost exclusively edited by anons who have made almost no other contributions, not grounds for deletion but a little bit suspicious, I wonder would wikiscanner reveal anything?! Snappy56 (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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The result was No consensus - Recommend to follow the advice by Peterkingiron to merge these two articles into one in which a full century is presented, alongside other material that may provide context about their validity. sources, etc. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 80 in Ireland

80 in Ireland (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

The source(s) for these article are primary sources, specifically Irish annals, but there are not accepted as having much if any reliability before the 5th century at the very earliest, and more plausibly the 6th: "Irish annalistic records at such an early period are not to be taken as historically authentic" [Fergus Kelly, "Cormac mac Airt", Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, here]. Any discussion of a "historical" Túathal Techtmar, always assuming that to be a good idea, belongs in a Roman Ireland article fenced around with if, and but, and perhaps, and with archaeologically imprecise dates, if any.

Also included, since it's in the same era and equally implausibly dated and involves Túathal Techtmar:

There is little point in merging this material as it will be equally unverifiable if merged. The most recent source on Irish chronology is Volume VIII of the Royal Irish Academy's New History of Ireland and this contains neither of these items. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment - "Roman Ireland"????? — iridescent 20:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, really, Roman Ireland. I've read Martino's book. It's not as cranky as you might think, although there's an awful lot of it is really stretching. More conventionally there's a fair bit on Roman contacts in Mytum's Early Christian Ireland and a page or two in Raftery's Pagan Celtic Iron Age. Roman Ireland would need ifs, and buts, and maybes, and very careful attribution, but it would be much easier to write than 3rd century in Ireland. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • For the article, as with other early periods in Ireland, Merge inot articles on entire centuries, which MUST be accompanied by an explanation of how much credence is to be placed on them, since historians regard the events and figures described as legendary (not historical). The legendary events are potentially appropriate for inclusion in WP, provided it is made clear what they are. As to Roman Ireland, I believe there is evidence of one Roman fort, and this and Irish contracts with Britain might make an article on Roman Ireland. However the archeological periods in Ireland are Iron Age and Early Christian, rather than (England's) Roman, Dark Age, and Saxon. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom. Unless every other country/region in the world has Year in articles then Ireland should be no exception. P.S. Roman Ireland is a non starter, don't even attempt to go there, it'll be AfD'd so fast....! Snappy56 (talk) 11:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge to an appropriate article about the period in Irish history. FWIW, the Irish annals are certainly subject to some commentary by historians. In one sense, their lack of corroboration by other sources makes them in some sense infallible. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per issues raised in the nom + no demonstrable need for this as a standalone. Eusebeus (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: Per all the above delete arguments, I do not want to repeat the arguments. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 20:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep - "history" did not have the same definition in c. 500 A.D. as it does today. I support keeping IF we can get a cite from one of the annals. Otherwise, merge and redirect to Ireland in the 80s. Bearian (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per significance in real world and just note in article concerns over sourc reliability. We could say, some sources claim X about 80 in Ireland, but these claims are disputed. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Italy

[edit] Antonino Rizzuto

Antonino Rizzuto (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article does not meet criteria Wikipedia:BIO. Antonio Rizzuto is not a sufficiently notable person. His only feat is having been a family doctor of Totò Riina. Could be merged with the article about Riina, but not really necessary as it does not add anything substantial. Mafia Expert (talk) 14:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Low quality is a reason to improve an article, not delete it, and importance is subjective. In terms of criteria though, I'd say this is a case of one event. WilliamH (talk) 15:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - I'd just made the point about WP:BIO1E over on the Talk page.l FlagSteward (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Latvia

[edit] Lithuania

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[edit] Luxembourg

[edit] Macedonia

[edit] Moldova

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[edit] Norway

[edit] List of Norwegian Pakistanis

List of Norwegian Pakistanis (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete unreferenced subjective list. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Poland

[edit] Poland proposed deletions

[edit] Portugal

[edit] "Proletarian Union" Committee of the Portuguese Marxist-Leninist Communist Organization (in reorganization)

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"Proletarian Union" Committee of the Portuguese Marxist-Leninist Communist Organization (in reorganization) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Being Portuguese, I was curious about this article. However, I was unable to confirm notability for this organization Ecoleetage (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep, as per arguments in previous afd. There are many issues to be resolved here, but deletion would not be beneficial. --Soman (talk) 04:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment The previous AfD ended in no consensus, and I hate to say the Delete arguments in the last round were somewhat stronger than the Keep arguments. It is hard to verify notability in either English or Portuguese. I wish more people would chime in here. Thanks! :) Ecoleetage (talk) 01:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Romania

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[edit] Russia

[edit] Mikhail Abyzov

Mikhail Abyzov (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

I suspect this is not notable; speedy was denied because admin couldn't read russian refs (neither can I); admin advised an AfD  Chzz  ►  06:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete Being a Manager of an unreferiable Russsian company is notable. If notability can be established in Russian, then the appropriate wiki may be used. However, I doubt it. Rotovia (talk) 06:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I am the admin who refused the speedy deletion. Notability can be established using sources in other languages, provided they are reliable sources. The problem is that I can't tell if the sources are reliable or not. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Very weak keep, the E4 is really a big company (the biggest engineering company they claim on their site), but the guy is not the President he is just the Chairman of the board. The company is a holding that means that they have bought a few Soviet time companies that are more or less self-govern, thus, they are much less prominent then their subsidiaries. The guy was indeed proclaimed "The best young manager of Russia" in some year, they have references, it may be seen as a claim to notability. But on the other hand we do not have an article about this E4 group nor about their President. It is weird to have an article about the chairman of the board. The article is badly written as a resume or commercial advertisement. In other words I don't see the reasons to delete the article nor any convincing reasons to protest the deletion. Alex Bakharev (talk) 09:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Very weak keep E4 big company JukoFF (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - non-notable businessman; concentrate instead on creating a decent (or indeed, any) article on E4 itself. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Weak Delete If the references have more documented instances of notability, the article certainly does not reflect it. If they exist and no one who speaks Russian cares to add them, then it is unlikely the article would have survived a PROD. Jclemens (talk) 18:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. If he were truly notable, there'd be English language references; what is notable in Russia may not be notable elsewhere. Renee (talk) 18:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. I don't know whether or not the subject is notable in Russia, but I do know that if he is notable in Russia he is notable enough for English Wikipedia. The "English" in "English Wikipedia" simply means that the articles are written in English, not that there are only articles about English speaking subjects. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete The article reads like a vanity piece. Maybe create an article on this E4 group and add a small section that doesn't look like a resumé listing the top-level employees instead? Qaddosh|contribstalk 18:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus to delete; default to KEEP. - Philippe 14:29, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salvation Union of South Ossetia

Salvation Union of South Ossetia (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unsourced. Not notable. A google search only yields two hits that aren't wiki mirrors and one of those hits is a general timeline of 2006 which gives this organisation minor mention and the other hit also gives this organisation minor mention. The article was created and written by a user indefinitely blocked for copyright infringement (with minor copyedits by others) so it might also be a concern that this article is a copyright infringement. This organisation fails to meet WP:ORG as there is insufficient coverage in secondary source.

  • Delete. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 21:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable: only two references included in the article, one which barely mentions the party, and the other which doesn't mention it at all. This probably should have been prod'd. (It was speedy'd, then prod'd, and now it's here. Silly me.)--Aervanath's signature is boring 21:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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  • Keep I don't know what Google search was done above, but mine returned the following; [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16]. --Россавиа Диалог 01:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I did a search on "Salvation Union of South Ossetia". I guess your search picked up other variants such as "Union of Salvation of Ossetians". I'm sticking to delete given the circumstances behind the original author indefinite block and the fact that the article is unsourced. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 02:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. You haven't found it on google because you were not searching in Georgian. If this is the political party/movement of the former Prime Minister, there's bound to be sources etc. that establish notability. Find them and fix it, don't delete because its received poor coverage in U.S. papers. MrPrada (talk) 07:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment This is the English Wikipedia. How many editors are going to be able to search in the Georgian language?--Aervanath's signature is boring 16:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, there seems to be some confusion over the actual name of the organization, a quick google search for Union, Salvation, Ossetian gives quite a clear picture that this is a relevant and notable party. --Soman (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment, try a Russian google search, [17]. BBC has coverage on the party. --Soman (talk) 09:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. A notable organization which unites ethnic Ossetians who want reunification with Georgia. The party has also organized "South Ossetian people for Peace movement" which yields no less than 600 hits via Google Search [18] [19]. User:Pocopocopocopoco has long been targeting the articles which deal with pro-Georgian Ossetian movements. His rationale for deletion is fake.--KoberTalk 12:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Just because I nominated another article in a similar topic area over six months ago you then conclude I am targeting the entire topic for deletion? Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 01:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Oh, stop pretending Poco. Everybody knows what you do. (PaC (talk) 02:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC))
  • Keep per Kober. —Nightstallion 20:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Kober. (PaC (talk) 02:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC))
  • Keep per Kober. This deletion request is POV pushing. Iberieli (talk) 15:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] Serbia

[edit] Slovakia

[edit] Slovenia

[edit] Spain

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  • 30 August - expires 4 September
    • Spanish untranslatables (PROD by User:Thumperward; "These "untranslatables" are deeply rooted in individual cultures, and require that the translator totally abandon any attempt to translate literally word-for-word.")


[edit] Sweden

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    • Heirs of Sverker dynasty (PROD by User:Olaus; PROD nominator states: "This page asserts the existence of a dynastic claim with continuity from the Swedish 12th century Sverkerian dynasty all the way to somebody born in 1985. This goes unmentioned in standard textbooks on Swedish history, and considering that Sweden was an elective monarchy throughout the Middle Ages, there is no reason to believe in such a claim without very good sources. The boxes asking for (additional) referencing have been on this page since March. This page vaguely hints at the existence of sources at the bottom under the heading "Material", but the author mentioned there is a highly productive Swedish historian specialized in mediaeval biography and genealogy who has published several books and hundreds of articles. Without specification such a vague reference is useless. My guess is that whatever sources somebody may come up with are quite likely to support the genealogy, but the basis for the existence of a page such as this is the assertion of a dynastic claim and continuity. There are probably hundreds of thousands of descendants of the Sverkerian dynasty. Unless somebody can show evidence that this particular line has, or claims to have, some particular right to the throne based on this descent, it can not form the basis for an article.")


[edit] Switzerland

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[edit] United Kingdom


[edit] England

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[edit] Northern Ireland

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[edit] Scotland-related AFDs

[edit] St andrews economic forum

St andrews economic forum (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable conference. No independent sources cited. Only one such conference held so far (last month). No assertion of notability shown. User name of original author indicates possible conflict of interest. (Contested PROD.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 16:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baron Of Glastry

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Glaister family (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete)

Probable hoax, there were no baronets in the 13th century. References do not check out, for example, this is all thepeerage.com has to say on people named Glaister. Also nominating Glaister family as the only thing apparently notable is the supposed barony/baronetcy. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 10:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete, as I can find no sources that confirm this baronet's existence as such. Happy to reconsider if some source comes forward, but the sources I can verify do not appear to confirm anything in this article. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 12:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete As Jonathan Oldenbuck says, there were no Baronets then. Nor do the references confirm it or any source I can find. And I've removed the nobility stubb and the Barony category, as Baronet is not a title of nobility nor is it the same as a Barony, it's a step below (sorry, should have signed this Doug Weller (talk) 21:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC))
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  • Question - why have the AfD templates been removed from both articles, and why does the old edit for each says result=keep? [20] and [21] Doug Weller (talk) 21:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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