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[edit] Albums and songs

[edit] Out Here Grindin'

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Out Here Grindin' (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable single by barely-notable DJ. Damiens.rf 07:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep - Single/song has charted. Meets WP:MUSIC. Wisdom89 (T / C) 07:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 (T / C) 07:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 (T / C) 07:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Single has proof of a high-cost video being made via worldstarhiphop.com video.Y5nthon5a (talk) 15:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep because song has charted. It's only charted in the top 75 so far,but that could change when it's officially released. ILikeMusicaLot (talk) 18:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rollin' with the Flow (album)

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No reliable sources for this album. Album won't be released for a while yet, and given that the second single hasn't charted, I have a feeling it will most likely be delayed further. All I'm finding is trivial mentions. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

*Userfy back to the creator's page until such time as more WP:RS come about and the release date is upon us. I'm finding lots on the fact the album exists and none what so ever on the "charting" single.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 03:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep, I've added in to the article the chart ref that TPH dug out, and one on the album.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 03:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] (It's 3AM) Issues

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Non-notable single from a non-notable band. Fails WP:MUSIC Fritzpoll (talk) 23:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Nigger Tape

The Nigger Tape (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Fails WP:ALBUMS; non-notable mixtape. DiverseMentality(Discuss it) 05:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep, if properly sourced - this blog seems to indicate that a degree of controversy has surrounded this release. If proper sources can be found that show this (the blog quotes someone mentioning Wal-Mart and Target although doesn't go into detail) this could be used to assert some notability. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Delete - I re-read the blog, following DCEdwards1966 comment, and have changed my opinion! -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 14:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, fails WP:MUSIC: "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources". Article very lacking in WP:RS.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 12:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
If it is, as the blog I mentioned above seems to imply, a controversial release, that should confer some notability, yes? That is, of course, assuming that reliable sources can be found. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 13:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC) I'm an idiot, and mis-read the blog! -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 14:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as non-notable. The blog referenced above says the controversy was about the name of his next album, not this mixtape. DCEdwards1966 14:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak delete per above Ben1283 (talk) 17:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 17:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete A good example of notable mixtapes is the We Got It 4 Cheap series, but this isn't. It can easily be mentioned in Untitled (Nas album) anyway. Spellcast (talk) 23:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bondhu Bhabo Ki ?

Bondhu Bhabo Ki ? (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

No assertion of notability. SGGH speak! 09:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:MUSIC - Unsourced article on Album by artist whose notability has not yet been established. Ohconfucius (talk) 10:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - no sources, non-notable. Huon (talk) 10:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom; article lacks sources and does not assert notability. I would have thought this could have been speedied. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Albums can't be speedied unfortunately.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 12:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
That's a good enough reason for it not to be speedied than, I guess! LOL! -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 13:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Rules, rules, bloody rules..........  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 14:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Heh! I read that as "Roots Bloody Roots"! Rules are good. They keep us honest. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 14:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 12:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Delete Its a 6 days old article but the article's creator should have referenced a web site at the least. There are no sources. This implies lack of WP:N. Artene50 (talk) 00:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Young & Restless (Young Dro album)

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Contested prod. Article is about a future album, fails WP:CRYSTAL. TN‑X-Man 12:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tears Fall

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Contested redirect of non-notable single, per WP:MUSIC#SONGS. Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Barn of the Naked Dead

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Unremarkable album. Declined speedy (properly so - I thought it was a coatrack article about the artist). Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 23:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Underestimated-The EP

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Non-notable, just released EP, fails WP:MUSIC. ukexpat (talk) 22:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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  • Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 23:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Freddy and the trojan horse

Freddy and the trojan horse (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable, just released single, fails WP:MUSIC. ukexpat (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wild Country (Alabama album)

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No reliable sources, no chart singles, no reviews, no label even. Fails WP:MUSIC guidelines for albums. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Between the Walls

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There's no assertion of notability for this album. Only content of the article is a "Track listing" and a "Personnel" sections. There's also an infobox with very little information. The page's been prodded, but prod was removed, so I've gone to AfD. Victor Lopes (talk) 17:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC) I have changed the page , but if you consider it for deleting it is up to everyone to delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagor4e (talk • contribs) 18:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Chetblong (talk) 02:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Doesn't seem a notable album CRocka05 (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More to Me Than Meat and Eyes

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Totally non-notable song page. Gives no reason why the song is notable, cites no sources; fails WP:RS, WP:MUSIC. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Keepers of Jericho - Part I

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Non-notable tribute album Tenacious D Fan (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Keepers of Jericho - Part II

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Non-notable tribute album Tenacious D Fan (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Savior Of Music Returns

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Future album release, fails WP:CRYSTAL. TN‑X-Man 18:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The First (RedEye)

The First (RedEye) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Contested prod. Article describes a self-released album that does not meet WP:MUSIC. TN‑X-Man 23:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete doesn't assert any form of notability. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 23:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • speedy delete Does not meet WP:MUSIC. Album is made by author's band, and notability has not been established. Link to the band's page is here. Fraud talk to me 00:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete, non-notable red linked band with non-notable album, fails WP:MUSIC & WP:COI. Thank you for playing, good bye.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 00:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Tagged for speedy deletion as it has no assertion of notability. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I've declined the speedy deletion--albums and creative works are not covered under WP:CSD#A7, and extensive recurring discussions at WT:CSD have failed to come to a consensus to allow them. --jonny-mt 01:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete and WP:SNOW: The user who created this article is clearly a member of the band who made this "album". The band is not notable and neither is the "album" and the whole thing is a conflict of interest that jumps across the border to WP:SPAM with no regards for the rules after numerous warnings. ju66l3r (talk) 05:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete as spam. Purpose of the article appears to be to get people to download the music making this advertising disguised as an article. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Spam links deleted. ju66l3r (talk) 18:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete - WP:MUSIC, WP:RS, and possibly WP:COI all fail this article. Soxred 93 11:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dusty Smiles and Heartbreak Cures

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Album isn't the subject of any reliable sources. While I could find reviews and sources for her 2007 album Too Far Gone, there doesn't seem to be anything to say about this one. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Gotta go with a delete, while I worked in a country music radio station and I know about this group, I have to remain unbiased and I performed a news search on google and found nothing. Just going with a general search, almost 600 hits, but most are lyrics to the album. Non notable I'm afraid. Dusticomplain/compliment 23:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep and source. If Catherine Britt is considered notable, and by my reading she is, then her debut album should be, as well. If it's determined that this is going to be deleted, I recommend a merge and redirect to her article. Corvus cornixtalk 23:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
    • This looks like a reliable source. [1] - I'm not sure if about.com is reliable, but it seems to be. Corvus cornixtalk 23:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • keep a real album from a notable person. Happydazer (talk) 14:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IDance

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Non-notable single, currently only on YouTube Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 02:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Mixtape About Nothing

The Mixtape About Nothing (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Mixtape: Non-notable per WP:MUSIC. Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 13:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete unless sources are added to demonstrate that this is more than your "usual" mixtape. I {{prod}}ded an earlier version of this last week, and the rationale there ("Non-notable unreleased mixtape. I can't see any way this will ever be expandable to fit WP:N.") currently still stands. — iridescent 14:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep an entire article on Entertainment Weekly's website was dedicated to this mixtape. Thats more than "trivial coverage". Not to mention Julia Louis-Dreyfuss appears on this. Yes its slim, but its only been released for a week, I believe this nomination is premature.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 02:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 02:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep per the EW article, I'm sure more reliable sources exist or at least will exist given the album's newness. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete despite the EW article. We can all speculate that additional articles may exist in the future, but the time for an article is not until they actually do. I don't think one article, even in EW, is enough to cement notability for a mix tape that will supposedly be released soon. Erechtheus (talk) 04:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Weak keep. In spite of WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:CRYSTAL, now that it is clear we have coverage in more than EW, this probably has a place here. Erechtheus (talk) 22:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep clearly notable. This whole nomination is misguided; even if this did not deserve a stand-alone article, the content would need to be merged into the artist page. Chubbles (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - I've just restored the AfD tag to the article for the second time [2][3]. Removing the AfD tag will not resolve the issue. Discussing it here will. Thanks. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep obviously notable, there's referrences to huge media outlets like Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, as well as smaller (but very notable) independent sources like URB and The Fader. Not to mention notable actress Julia Louis Dreyfuss appeared on the album. This article is obviously many times more notable than most albums, yet alone "mixtapes". Just because wikipedians are ignorant of the obvious notability of this article doesn't change the fact that it is notable. Completely agree with ALKIVAR that this nomination was premature. So far the only objections have been from Erechtheus, claiming we need more sources, which we now do, and Iridescent, who said the same thing. But now we have more and more notable sources than would ever be needed to pass notability. All objections have been met; the article should be taken off of AfD. PyroGamer (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment even Wired has run an article on this mixtape: http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/05/interview-rappe.html as did the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/26/AR2008052601752.html?hpid=topnews I think we've clearly passed the bar for notability... time to close this.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 23:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] We All Die One Day

We All Die One Day (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete per "Wikipedia:MUSIC#Songs" and WP:OR. It wouldn't be acceptable even on the album Cheers since there are no references to back up all of this. Do U(knome)? yes...|or no · 02:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Well, thanks bot. I used TW to complete the AfD, but as usual it creates problems or doesn't finish them. Do U(knome)? yes...|or no · 14:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cher's Forthcoming album

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Delete this article. This article contains pure speculation with no references to back up those rumors. While it is appropriate to post information that may or may not happen with respect to a future album, there must be some reference to the origin of such rumors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRoman1976 (talk • contribs)

  • This nomination was incomplete. It has now been listed. ➨ ЯEDVEЯS used to be a sweet boy 11:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:MUSIC & WP:CRYSTAL. If it ain't got a name, delete per TPH Law.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 13:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete unnamed album which fails WP:MUSIC & WP:CRYSTAL. Really, until it has a name it shouldn't have an article. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. It's generally a bad sign when you see an article titled "Whichever Artist's Upcoming New Album" or some variation thereof. At this point it is all speculation as mentioned above and does not warrant an article. Shereth 17:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per 10LBHAMMERSLAW Sceptre (talk) 23:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Comment It took me a minute to figure out what "10 lb. hammer slaw" was. What a difference spacing makes! :)--Fabrictramp | talk to me 13:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Too much WP:CRYSTAL, too little notability. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Audience of One

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nn high school band of a current indie musician (Anthony Green). The article freely admits the band went nowhere, and the notability policy states that notability is not inherited - Green is notable as part of and because of his band Circa Survive (and that's questionable, IMO, but not up for debate here), not as a solo artist past or present. Unsourced article, prod removed on this and the album by an IP as its only two edits. MSJapan (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I am also nominating the album article as an NN album of a NN band.

I Remember When This All Meant Something (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

[edit] Dance Wiv Me

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This is an apparently non-charting, non-notable individual song. No reliable secondary sources that establish notability have been provided, and the only rationale provided is that it has received airplay and is by two notable artists. That's not notability per WP:MUSIC's section on individual songs. Erechtheus (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete WP:MUSIC. No chart, no WP:RS, no article.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 00:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete There are no reliable secondary sources that establish notability. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - a single from two notable artists. It's only been on radio for two days, with no reason to expect it not to chart. --T-rex 13:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC, as they have had no charts, and also no WP:RS. Soxred 93 13:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete because it is WP:CRYSTAL by an unnotable singer. Artene50 (talk) 08:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Strong Keep A notable song, by two notable and previously successful artists, has not charted due to not yet being released. Should not have been put up for deletion. 86.139.67.88 ~ 18:35, 11 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Walk the Walk (album)

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Duff has denied working on a debut album via an interview with JustJared.com. Xerz (talk) 00:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete No reliable sources about this album yet. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Delete. Here's the link confirming her denial of the album: [4]. SKS2K6 (talk) 02:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. The interview just shows the unreliability of the article source. Kevin (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Let's see if she can sing first, before devoting an article to it. (oh, and no reliable sources)Shoombooly (talk) 19:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Man, A Band, A Symbol

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500 copy compilation album featuring minor bands, released by a redlink record label. No reliable sources cited. Prod was removed with the comment "deprod please take to afd for consences please". J Milburn (talk) 19:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elephant in the Sand

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It isn't notable enough to have an article as it's just a mixtape Shadyaftrmathgunit (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The First One

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The articles for the Sara Bareilles albums The First One and The Summer Sessions should both be deleted - there's barely any information for either of these early albums and no cover art, and due to the minimal content, information about these albums is contained to the Sara Bareilles main article. In addition, the same person created a page for her iTunes-only single, which could easily be added to the main SB article. These articles are also full of grammatical errors. Cue the Strings (talk) 08:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete both articles fail to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 12:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] In The Court Of The Crimson Queen

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This is all speculations and conjecture, and even those are not cited. Also, wp:crystal -- Mblumber (talk) 13:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete I agree, it's just far too much unsourced speculation Ged UK (talk) 13:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

how would you like me to source and reference it? I manage all of Toyah's official webspaces... and prepare copy for them all. Please refer to www.toyahwillcox.com for substanitation. CA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Decaytreasure (talk • contribs) 14:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

— Decaytreasure (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
What is needed are independent sources. Since you are webmaster of the only source cited in the article, the article is currently original research. Independent coverage is needed to demonstrate the verifiability and notability of the subject. —C.Fred (talk) 14:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - As it stands right now. However, with the addition of reliable sources, (that is, independent, third-party sources), this article would be vastly improved. At the moment, a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnxman307 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete with permissive recreation. The article fails the verifiability guideline. There are no secondary reliable sources cited. (Toyah's website is a primary source.) Further, if the original editor is the webmaster of the Toyah website, then this strays into the realm of conflict of interest and original research. The article is not written as a press vehicle, but nor should it rely solely on contributions from the artist's press handlers. —C.Fred (talk) 14:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Edited my !vote: at such time as reliable independent sources on the album are available (e.g., release date, track list, multiple reviews in major magazines), the article may be recreated without need for a deletion review. —C.Fred (talk) 16:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete then Redirect to the artist. We should probably make a "nth studio album" redirect for every musician popular with the teeny-boppers. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Yeah - there seem to be plenty of secondary sources confirming the album out there on the internets. There's certainly no WP:CRYSTAL in terms of the fact that there will be an album of this title, though (hell, even The Telegraph]'s mentioned it! The article does need any speculation trimmed and references added to the rest, though (perhaps someone who - unlike me - has broadband, can find something on this BBC interview]?) Oh, and since when has Toyah been "a musician popular with the teeny-boppers"? Fee Fi, you need to get out more! Grutness...wha? 02:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
The BBC interview seemed to be more about Pantomime and Christmas lights and Hell's Angels doing stage security. I didn't hear any discussion of the new album(s). —C.Fred (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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I added an external link (to telegraph online) to substantiate the release and title of the album as opposed to merely inlcuding an inappropriate external link. I cannot do right from wrong!! CA. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/28/cmfame28.xml&page=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Decaytreasure (talk • contribs) 16:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It would help to avoid multiple edit conflicts if you remember to sign your posts. --Rodhullandemu 16:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Toyah Willcox is a notable artist and therefore this album, when it appears, will be notable per WP:MUSIC. Sure, the article should have the {{future-album}} tag but it appears that WP:RS are available for it already and coverage will increase. And, being in my mid-50s, no way am I a "teenybopper", nor was I ever. --Rodhullandemu 16:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to recreation of the article when sources are available. Right now, all that's been independently verified is that the album is scheduled to be released later this year. Incidentally, I just gave this album the Amazon test, and the only thing listed for pre-order right now is Good Morning Universe - The Very Best Of Toyah, scheduled for release on 30 June. —C.Fred (talk) 16:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Further, it seems to fail WP:MUSIC right now: "Articles and information about albums with confirmed release dates in the near future must be confirmed by reliable sources and should use the {{future-album}} tag." (emphasis added) The article does not mention any release date yet. —C.Fred (talk) 16:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

DecayTreasure: Well here in lies an issue which needs to be thought of by wikipedia. Putting osmething in amazon and it not being scheduled release is not the be al and end all. artists are now using different methods of distribution and ways of releasing music... many of which don't include standard record shops or online vendors. (download, magazine/newspaper giveaways, PWYC (pay what you can). There's currently no confirmation of formats for the album release. Just because Amazon doesn't provide a listing doesn't mean that something isn't going to be released or has been released. I know that in time proof will appear which vindicates the listing.. I guess its just hanging on til then. CA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Decaytreasure (talk • contribs) 19:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] He Mele No Lilo

He Mele No Lilo (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable song, failed WP:MUSIC as it did not chart. I doubt if being is a Disney movie makes it notable. ViperSnake151 15:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spies Like Us / Winnetka Exit

Spies Like Us / Winnetka Exit (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Promo only release fails WP:MUSIC. Contested PROD. Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Real Gone (Billy Ray Cyrus song)

Real Gone (Billy Ray Cyrus song) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Nothing but primary sources and rumors. Song was just released last week; hasn't charted, et cetera. The Sheryl Crow version doesn't have a page either and doesn't seem notable enough either. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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  • Delete not notable at the time, if it reaches the top 20 it very will be notable --Caldorwards4 (talk) 03:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete - Any Single by Billy Ray Cyrus would be notable, but at this point I have concerns via WP:CRYSTAL --T-rex 03:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete until such time as the song has both charted and there is something to say about it. Erechtheus (talk) 01:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tomorrow is the Another Day

Tomorrow is the Another Day (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Lacks notability per WP:MUSIC. Fleetflame 03:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete is the Article. No reliable sources for this album; fails WP:MUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Delete: where are the references? Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 04:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Forgive me if I'm not doing things right as I'm new here. However, I do not see why this article merits deletion for two reasons. First, given that No Regret Life has separate articles for their second and third albums, I do not see why their first cannot. Second, No Regret Life has performed an ending theme for the popular anime Naruto, which satisfies section 10 of WP:MUSIC. As for sources, I do not see the need to cite the album itself as a source. I am open to suggestions on how to improve this article. - Aurum auriga —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurum auriga (talk • contribs) 04:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Section ten of WP:MUSIC reads, "But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article." Yes, the band's other two albums have articles, but they haven't been around long and shouldn't be here--they probably just got overlooked. I would put any information relevant to this album in No Regret Life. Fleetflame 04:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
In the case that the separate articles on the other two albums are to be questioned as well, then I would agree on the deletion. The only reason I created the article in the first place was because of the existence of the other articles, so if you say that they shouldn't exist in the first place I see no reason for my article to remain as is. I would be more than willing to incorporate the content in the separate articles on the main one. - Aurum Auriga —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurum auriga (talk • contribs) 04:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I've merged the other two album articles into No Regret Life. Fleetflame 00:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Energy (Keri Hilson song)

Energy (Keri Hilson song) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Contested redirect of non-notable song, per WP:MUSIC#SONGS. Mdsummermsw (talk) 12:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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  • Delete no chartage, no WP:RS, fails WP:MUSIC. I was going to say redirect back to the album, but as TPH has pointed out in previous discussions, very, very few people are going to type in that exact phrasing as a search term.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 23:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - I have just restored the AfD to the article. It was down for 2 days. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - This page should not be deleted because, it is a legitimate single from an artist that is set to be extremely popular, she has been featured in many popular urban magazines & websites & is hotly tipped to be the 'next big thing'. The track is already available for download on Amazon.com & is doing well. I think this article is relevant & is worthy of remaining on Wiki. Maybe the situation should be reviewed at a later date? - Markieboy (talk)
  • Comment - If the article is deleted, it isn't irreversable if the song later becomes notable. As it is, there is very little actual information in the article and none that can't be easily found to re-create the article, if appropriate, at a later date. That said, that the song has been released as a single or that the artist is notable (or expected to be very popular, etc.) does not mean the song is currently notable. Please see a detailed explanation of what (typically) is considered evidence of notability at WP:MUSIC#SONGS. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Keep The general precedent is that when an artist is notable (passing WP:MUSIC), their singles generally get articles too. I don't see any reason why this particular single would be some sort of exception. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - I have seen nothing to indicate this precedent. Albums by notable artists are notable, as detailed in WP:MUSIC#ALBUMS: "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." But songs are another story: "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song." WP:MUSIC#SONGS (Note that it's redirecting songs to the articles on notable artists or albums.) If the precedent is otherwise, the consensus should reflect it. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Things

Good Things (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable song, didn't chart and wasn't covered in any reliable sources. Another one of Keri's songs was a contested redirect. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 12:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Redirect back to Rich Boy (album). The name is simple enough to be a viable search term. Even though the WP:MUSIC guideline says a song is probable notable to because of it charting, we're still missing "enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article".  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 00:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I don't care if it's deleted or not, but if it is, it should be redirected to Good Thing. The title of the page for this song should have been Good Things (song) from the start. If it's kept, this title change should occur.--Hraefen Talk 22:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC) .

  • Delete and recreate with redirect per Hraefen. NN. Comment: The "charted" standard is too loose and needs to be overhauled. When it was developed, it was apparently without due consideration of how many charts there are, and how little they actually mean. J293339 (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep The film also meets the following principles of WP:MOVIE:

    • General principles
      • The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of film making.

It was awarded the Badil Al-Awda award, a very important and respectable organization and Award.

      • The film was selected for preservation in a national archive.

The film was preserved in the Palestinian national archive and Badil Archive after receiving the Al-Awda Award. and if I am not mistaken it was preserved in the Aljazera archive after receiving the Al-Awda Award, and according to Badil website was shown in many Arab TV stations, that means a copy will be preserved in there archive .

Wikipedia will not publicize the documentary; it just gives information about it as it gives information about other Israeli films and documentaries that no one heard about or received any awards. Anyway TV stations will not search for films in Wikipedia, neither people interested in the films. Their source will be imdb or all movies. So you have no excuses now пﮟოьεԻ 57.

91.11.143.201 (talk) 16:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC) With respect

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The result was Merge to Sonny Terry for the time being, alloweing recreation if/when sources can be found. Note that I've fixed the title by removing the quotes to prevent a double redirect.Black Kite 23:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old Jabo

AfDs for this article:
Articles for deletion/"Old Jabo"
Old Jabo (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Editor removed prod tag with "unreliable proponent" - odd, since three people had prod-2'd it. Anyway, here we are at an AfD, then. Non-notable song, unsourced, appears to be original research. Tan | 39 15:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom and WP:OR. Qworty (talk) 04:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep provisionally. Lots of hits on google, and downloads, which I think is pretty significant for a song over 50 years old. It is important that wikipedia does not suffer from recentism. Does need references, which should be available from books discussing the era. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I understand the Google hits. I never would nominate something like this without doing at least a moderate amount of research first. I should be more specific above - by "non-notable", I meant that I didn't find that it met the applicable part of WP:MUSIC: "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." If this song can be shown to meet the above criteria, of course this AfD should be closed as a speedy keep. Tan | 39 06:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
True that. We just need someone with a book or something. I'll alert WP:Music Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge to Sonny Terry. I agree with Cas, this is a case of recentism/not on web. This song is part of the classic folk blues repertoire, but I'm unable to come up with much via Google. If I really wanted to dig, I suspect that I could get this song to meet WP:MUSIC via the "covered by other notable artists" criterion, but frankly that wouldn't give us any material to expand the article. I fully expect that in books about McGhee/Terry or the period in general that there is more information, and I hope that someone with more knowledge provides it. Even in the absence of new material, however, this is appropriate for a merge/redirect. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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  • Merge or Redirect probably not notable enough on its own but, plenty of stuff shows it in relation to the two songwriters and the line about Sonny playing the harmonica doesn't work for "performed by multiple artists" so would need to be removed. If it stays it needs references and some assertion of the songs notability away from the artist in the article. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep I have added a reference (which forced me to learn how to cite liner notes!) to a rather definitive source in demonstrating the song's cultural significance. It really needs more substance, and additional sources. Jim Miller (talk) 03:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge to Sonny Terry or other related articles. Lack of notability and it's OR. Not sufficient for article. Enigma message 04:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge to singer. Reywas92Talk 22:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Casliber and Jim Miller. — Athaenara ✉ 23:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


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